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[PUZZLE]Lightcycle Schematics
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OusterSwarm
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myestro wrote:
I just did color fills on raw cycle images figuring that the bars would sort themselves out as you "slide" them into place.

What is interesting is that it is easier to identify duplicate data and datafileds that have been slid over 5 columns (that magic number again)

Even more interesting is the little bar codes with the purple in it floating out in the middle of nowhere like a sore thumb.

My theory is the bulk of the color bars is just "noise" as mentioned recently - but the small bar code sequence with purple bars are most likely the embedded code..if there is actually a code.

see for yourself

I been thinking along the same lines but the thinner color bars have been keeping me from filling in any unknown section that didn't have an obvious repair segment using the opposite pattern interleaving. Since I was thinking there might be just enough room in some of the thicker white sections for a small off center block of color to slip in.


Thanks for illustrating your interpretation of whether any of the of center band of color are just shifted patterns in the image. I hadn't had a chance to analyze the image for this scenario yet.


In regards to the following segments.

Image 1 C:
the interesting thing that bothers me about c is that it requires the section to be shifted outside of the image by a yellow segment which kind of bothers me since I not certain how we're
to interpret the borders on the left and right (top and bottom original orientation) for wrap around. Since I can see that we both have interpreted the image as having wraparound at the thick black bars. My justification for this was that the image had no problem wrapping on the original webpage at these boundrys. But I wasn't sure there could be any wrapping on the other edges the webpages code seemed to force the image to display such that you never see the image tile vertically unless you had an unnaturally high resolution display.
Never mind I see a thin section of yellow that seems to have been omitted form you filled in copy of the image. So it quite possible that it's ok.

Image 1 B:

I fall to see the 5 block shift here, correct me if I missing something but the left side of the green segment don't seem to work for me. Also that thin yellow bar seems to bother me a bit since it has a fair amount of thickness to it.

Above B OROYG
B RYOYG

Also I just noticed there is some symmetry around that green block in B is just doesn't seem to quite hold up on the far right.

Broklynite wrote:
I see what you're saying. That makes a lot of sense. But what about the blue lines?


Here I have an interesting note.


Since they look continuous, I was originally thinking of extending them vertically through the whole
image but then I noticed there are 2 sections where there no blue lines. I am not sure if this means anything or not but I'm labeled them here.


Click here for full size

Also I have the non annotated version here.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_iiliT6fYcWc/S5INijWLm9I/AAAAAAAAAEI/3UHaYaEmMXo/qm6k3pshu8rr302kv6xej8p72sNewColor.png

Other thoughts.


Here's one other thought I like to throw out there. Since it may be possible that we can reconstruct enough of the color parts of the image this may not be necessary but I was starting to wonder if maybe there was 1 – 2 other images out there somewhere to complete the color section we don't have. Does anyone remember if there are any missing sections to the light cycle sketch? I think it was mentioned that these sketches were at the Flynn arcade event. Were there any other sketches there?

Resized image to stop forum stretching. - E

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Broklynite
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I had initially thought that the blue lines were maybe a barcode, but I only saw them being one pixel thick, so I suppose that rules them out. I'm not 100% about where to go from here, but you guys are doing some amazing work.

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myestro
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You are right false 5 color bar shift ...I was just glancing at the green line like a "registration" line...mayub that is what it is upposed to be?

thanks for catching that...when you stare at this thing for so long all the colors blend together.

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OusterSwarm
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I totally agree about it all blurring together…

Also here another reason why I am causes about information made out off single pixels.

This has already been posted on the trailhead by MrToasty but I will post a unenhanced version at 200% size from my work just to show people who haven't been able to find these yet for themselves how hidden it is. It took me a bunch of tries to see this even though I could tell where it was form MrToasty post .




As you can see the text here is actually composed of single pixels so there a some possibility there may be single pixel based data in the color image.

Another thing that weird about this case is there an extra copy of the text in this image were no one has reported something like this on the second image yet. Either way I was thinking at fist that this may be used as a decryption key. But I'm not so sure that possible given that there two
0s and 5s but they both have different missing vertical lines. (The Gs do have the same vertical lines though). Of course I suppose it possible that it a variable length encoding of some form at work here that may re encode duplicate data by combining it with other data like an LZW algorithm. But that would probably make thing very complicated to decode and I don't think you could use this as a key if that was the case. But here the binary I extracted for the text none the less encases someone has another idea.

The underline represents unknown regions do to the spacing between characters. Also the 1 and 0 were chosen arbitrary.

1=part of the number was there
0= if it was blank

X 7 G 9 0 5 5 V 4 G 0 1
10101__11101__110111__11101__11001__01110__11001_11001110_110111__11100__10111

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Broklynite
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Er...sorry, did you post the correct image? Because I don't see what you're referring to here.

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OusterSwarm
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I can still see it fine but then again I know what I looking for. You may have to turn up your monitors contrast a bit.

Here is a copy with the text boxed in. I hope that helps.



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Broklynite
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Ah- is it white spots against the background or something? I'm on a projector- the color control is a tad...wonky.

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Hazado
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Broklynite wrote:
Er...sorry, did you post the correct image? Because I don't see what you're referring to here.




Darkened the letters for you

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Broklynite
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Ohhhhhhh- thanks!

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myestro
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Broklynite wrote:
I had initially thought that the blue lines were maybe a barcode, but I only saw them being one pixel thick, so I suppose that rules them out. I'm not 100% about where to go from here, but you guys are doing some amazing work.


...might be far fetched...but if you notice "most" of the blue lines are either 2 lines together or 1 line by itself. there are a few places where it is very hard to determine if the grouping is 3 separate singles or a double and a single (for example)...but am wondering if it is 'binary" code. 1 line = 0 2 lines = 1?

what do you guys think?

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myestro
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Hazado wrote:
Broklynite wrote:
Er...sorry, did you post the correct image? Because I don't see what you're referring to here.




Darkened the letters for you


I forgot all about these...thanks for reminding us....

BTW - looks like the same 12 digit format as the Tron Card Wallet Codes...too bad they don't work when you input them in as is at Zero Hour.

Thats crazy that this number sequence is 1 pixel wide and you have to fix contrast to see it.

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Broklynite
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Hm. Are we certain that the first 5 is actually a five? It looks like three horizontal lines to me. Yes, I know they match up with the five, but it still might just mean a break. Also, the second to last digit- might that be a C rather than a 0?

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myestro
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so movin forward..what do we do with all of these numbers? and we have lots of them. (reverse engineer the logic of a "next" code)

If the numbers are not useable "as is" (like wallet codes or derez codes)...we need a cipher right? to turn them into something useable...but so far there is no logical cipher....but then a "cipher" for what? more alphanumeric info or a 'word".

Did we ever have to cipher codes before for derez? I thought they were used "as is" from the tshirt black lights.

to me it does not sound logical to cipher an alphanumeric string into another one....without a blatant "key"...gibberish for more gibberish...did other ARG do this?

Most "ciphers" on internet serach turn gibberish into a "word" which makes sense...as a tactic to point us to a "website" or web extension.

The alphanumeric gibberish could be a website too....like lightcyle drawings...but so far no such luck right?

The binary codes all sound logical (like the tron chest plate binary) at least that generated a 'relevant"group of numbers to open up the discussion forums like a "key pad".

Did any of 42e's other ARGs have codes like this that were super HARD to crack?

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Code

could the 2nd key be a mask for certain pixel rows to be slid, along with the key, so it sits on top of the first key?

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MOVIELORD101
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Re: Code

Anonymous wrote:
could the 2nd key be a mask for certain pixel rows to be slid, along with the key, so it sits on top of the first key?
Sounds like a possibility...

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