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A Century of Charades - 100 riddles from 1895
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rose
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It's de-lovely, it's delicious..no...it's delight...Correct, Rogi! Good job with light, I think Mrs. Rogi gets an assist on this one.

As for the first, maybe I was on to
something with my idea. The River Dee seems to have been famous for fishing, for many years,certainly it was famous in 1895 for fishing.


Shall we do another one today? Why not! And with this, good night, my lovelies. I won't be back til tomorrow afternoon.

XXV

There are two plants you often meet,
And one is bitter, one is sweet;
Conjoined, two different words they make
According to which first you take:
One compound is a lofty state,
The other has fallen much of late;
A lack of one the Indian counts a gain,
Blood of the other soils the arms of Spain;
Divide the one, and Anna's name appears,
The other's bark keeps ringing in my ears.
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 		Wow, this one seems a lot more complicated than most of the previous ones. With all the different clues in it you'd think it would be easy to make a bit of headway but I have lots of different ideas, none of which fit together. Confused
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 		I keep wanting to say Pineapple, but I know it's wrong Confused
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"Point of Ayr also gives its name to a lighthouse, built in 1776, though inactive since 1844. It stands on Talacre beach, at the entrance to the River Dee estuary.[7] The lighthouse once displayed two lights. The main beam, at 63 feet, shone seaward towards Llandudno. A secondary beam shone up the River Dee, towards the hamlet of Dawpool, in Cheshire, on the English side of the estuary. Whilst in service, the lighthouse was painted with red and white stripes, and had a red lantern housing. It was replaced in 1844 with a metal pile lighthouse, bearing a white light,[8] put up by order of the Corporation of Trinity House.[9] This new structure was itself replaced in 1883 with a lightship"

I need to pay attention to Mr. Bellamy's punctuation and indentation. It's not the river that is burning...
"bright burning,
A light(ship) marks a shoal;"


XXV
So we're looking for something like
sugarcane
canesugar?

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booba wrote:
XXV
So we're looking for something like
sugarcane
canesugar?


I think so (except presumably each element is still only one syllable in length making two different two syllable words.)

roseweed
weedrose

Perhaps researching who Spain might have upset and working out who Anna is might prove more fruitful!
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 		It isn't sugarcane.

If we get stuck I have a hint, but this one is fun.

As for Spain - they could have lots of blood on their arms, every place they conquered; or maybe it is something to do with their coat of arms? From watching The Tudors, I learned that Catherine, Henry's first wife, had a pomegranate as her symbol. That had something to do with conquering the Moors.

With Anna.. no idea..what that is. could it be referring to the letters 'a" and "n"?

I thought of pineapple too, but it is wrong; as is rose weed.

And marshmallow is wrong too. Smile
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 		Roundabout story here:

http://www.languedoc-france.info/1915_aragon.htm

about blood and the Spanish coat of arms...

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rose wrote:
With Anna.. no idea..what that is. could it be referring to the letters 'a" and "n"?


Must be the famous sweet naan plant Smile

Perhaps we're not looking for varieties of plant but words which end in plant - "sup", "im", "egg", "trans", etc? Doesn't seem likely based on the previous charades so I suspect it's actual plants we want but no sense keeping my bad ideas to myself when I can derail everyone's train of thought!
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 		there is a plant called bitter cress.. but I don't think crest fallen ( for laid low) would work)

and there are sweet peas, sweet potatoes, sweet william, sweet gum

also ringing a tree's bark is a way to limit its growth

maybe focusing on the plants would help?
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 		Good going on the "sweet peas" rose.
Trying to find bitter plants/fruits/vegetables, All I could find were 3 with a single syllable in the Herbs and spices category.

Mint, Rue and Sage

It took a while for the forward/backward part to finally hit me with combinations.

So if it's four letters, I say
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PERU
and if it's five letters I guess
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RUPEE
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Though I honestly can't connect those two to the last two lines in any way, the rest seems to fit.
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Holy cow: Rogi is right! Rupee and Peru are the answers, this one has two answers given.....By the way, it turns out that rupees were divided into annas!!! Who knew!! I hate to spoiler a long section but in case people are working on thisIn 1835, The East India Company in London printed rupees commemorating King William IV. This rupee weighed 11.66 grams and in 917/1000 silver. The rupee was divided into 16 annas. The anna into 4 pice and the pice into 3 pies. The inauguration of the new rupee of 11.66 was prepared in Bombay in copper pieces of a quarter anna at the end of 1830 and a half anna at the end of 1832. The twelfth anna or pie would be made for circulation at the end of 1831...And, guess what homeopathic treatment is recommended for ringing in the ears? Peruvian bark. Well, I never.


I admit when going to check the answer, I was sure he was wrong. I hadn't gotten to the combination of the words. Mr. Bellamy is sneaky sneaky sneaky.


Well done!!!


When I walked by the bank clock just now, the digital thermometer on read 92 degrees. I wonder how they dealt with early heat in April in 1895.

Let's go on to the next one and forget the heat! From now on, we will just assume the spacing is correct unless I otherwise mention, OK? OK!


XXVI


Upon my first I've often sat;
My second is a kind of hat;
My whole, a sort of creeping thing
That Noah from the ark did bring.
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 		Way to go Rogi! I think that might be my favourite charade so far.

rose wrote:
Upon my first I've often sat;
My second is a kind of hat;
My whole, a sort of creeping thing
That Noah from the ark did bring.


I've got two answers for this but I'm not convinced either are correct! (Spoilered just in case)

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Earwig - Wig could work for the hat (at a stretch) but I think I stretched it a little too far when I tried to turn 'rear' into 'ear' for the first. Unless Bellamy had a very peculiar way of sitting on the side of his head of course!


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Reptile - "Where did you get that hat, where did you get that tile" would make the second part work. Just can't identify the 'rep' which may have often been sat upon. Lots of things rep could be short for but nothing I can be confident about.

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 		Good one rogi and rose!
Just for fun:
John Wayne once shot a man for playing the pee-anna too loud.


GreenWindmill
Like your second one. No ideal yet on the first part.
Is "sett" a type of hat? Smile


Edit later:
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rep
People have been known to sit on their reputation.


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 		XXVII
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Reptile is correct! Another one, that I wasn't sure the answer was correct, bites the dust. Way to go!


And this one, maybe my brain is tired, but I don't even know what it is about.

XXVII

Of course it is not literally true
To say my first the king can never do;
Many a deed of English kings I've heard
Might well be styled my second and my third;
But in the sense in which it is intended
The saying's true until my whole is ended.
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 		king can never win; check (or move into check, as in mate),lie, cheat, do wrong?

I'm beat - good night lovelies.

edit

no guesses?

What about the king can never die?
A fiction of English law and something Hobbes wrote about, I think...

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