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 		Well knowing that date, I'm almost positive something big (possibly the Finale) of the ARG is happening then. At least odds are!

Also, damn, was asleep when this happened (running on Europe time)

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BleuLlama wrote:
EDGECRUSHER wrote:
Code:

# bin/iostat
SolarOS 4.0.1 Generic_50203-<can't read three characters>un4m i386 Unknown.Unknown


That's likely to be "sun4m i386"
SolarOS 4.0.1 is likely a play on SunOS 4.0.1 (later versions were called "Solaris") which back then (1989/1990) was available for sun4m (SPARC) or i386 architectures.

So yeah... someone there has done their homework, giving reasonably time-accurate, non-anachronistic display information on the screen. It should be noted that average Sun workstation from that era had 32-512MB of RAM, not the 2.5 gig mentioned... although, it was possible to put up to 5 gig of ram in some server-class models.

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunOS
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation


What the hell did anyone need 5 gigs of RAM for in 1990? In the late 90's I had several servers which boasted dual P3's and 2 gigs of RAM and I thought that was pretty swank.

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 		There weren't many machines that could even hold 5Gb in the 80s. And, even if they did, they'd cost tens of thousands of dollars and would be the size of a refrigerator.
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Nighthawk wrote:
There weren't many machines that could even hold 5Gb in the 80s. And, even if they did, they'd cost tens of thousands of dollars and would be the size of a refrigerator.


Ya, but did any of your systems handle a laser translating biological matter into the cyber world?? Very Happy

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Nighthawk wrote:
There weren't many machines that could even hold 5Gb in the 80s. And, even if they did, they'd cost tens of thousands of dollars and would be the size of a refrigerator.


Uhm. In the late 80s a "tens of thousands of dollars" computer would get you a high-end desktop. Like a Mac IIfx. (http://apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=IIfx&performa=off&sort=family&order=ASC)

Server-class machines of the day, doing high performance computing cost easily hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not the same thing as current multiprocessor machines, but specialized parallel computers like the Cray YMP come to mind (from 1990) A "refrigerator" would be small compared to this type of server machine.

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_Y-MP

As for size, check out the VAX 11/780 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX-11/780 ) That's about on par with a single restaurant-sized refrigerator... and that doesn't even include data storage (probably another rack for hard drives), power conditioning, or air conditioning required. Granted this machine is a little older, but you'll see servers from this timeframe about that size.

But for doing high-resolution simulations, you'd want lots of RAM at the time. Serving web files or hosting a chat server on your P2 is not the same class of problem being solved.

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BleuLlama wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:
There weren't many machines that could even hold 5Gb in the 80s. And, even if they did, they'd cost tens of thousands of dollars and would be the size of a refrigerator.


Uhm. In the late 80s a "tens of thousands of dollars" computer would get you a high-end desktop. Like a Mac IIfx. (http://apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=IIfx&performa=off&sort=family&order=ASC)

Server-class machines of the day, doing high performance computing cost easily hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not the same thing as current multiprocessor machines, but specialized parallel computers like the Cray YMP come to mind (from 1990) A "refrigerator" would be small compared to this type of server machine.

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_Y-MP

As for size, check out the VAX 11/780 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX-11/780 ) That's about on par with a single restaurant-sized refrigerator... and that doesn't even include data storage (probably another rack for hard drives), power conditioning, or air conditioning required. Granted this machine is a little older, but you'll see servers from this timeframe about that size.

But for doing high-resolution simulations, you'd want lots of RAM at the time. Serving web files or hosting a chat server on your P2 is not the same class of problem being solved.


Absolutely true. I remember how far in debt we always seemed to be from all the computers in the house (We had an Apple II, a C64, an Atari 2600 with no games, etc. And that was just in the early-mid 80's. When Macintosh came out...well. The debts became really terrifying). For years, I thought I was getting a heads up on everyone around me. Now, the power of a computer for less than $1000 is frankly astonishing- especially if you build your own. Especially if your job throws some cash at you and tells you to build your own ::winkwink::

In any case, I still can't imagine what required all that back when. ::shakes his head:: But that much RAM in a small desk-sized layout from 1990? That's....Well, hey- with the money and power Flynn weilded, he could have easily had things custom-built for himself. And at that point, 2.5 gigs for digitizing a human being seems almost too small, doesn't it?

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For what it's worth, here are direct links to the trailers:


http://wdmp-wdsmp.rd.llnw.net/wdsmp/TRON/42Ent/1Trlr/Grid_1tlr_1920x800_1080p.mov (1080p)

http://wdmp-wdsmp.rd.llnw.net/wdsmp/TRON/42Ent/1Trlr/Grid_1tlr_1280x532_720p.mov (720p)

http://wdmp-wdsmp.rd.llnw.net/wdsmp/TRON/42Ent/1Trlr/Grid_1tlr_852x352_480p.mov (480p)


And the VFX Test:

http://wdmp-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/wdsmp/TRON/VFXConcept/Grid_VFX_ConceptTest_1080.mov (1080p)

http://wdmp-8.vo.llnwd.net/d1/wdsmp/TRON/VFXConcept/Grid_VFX_ConceptTest_720.mov (720p)[/list]

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 		Please note that the 'desk computer' seen here is a massive desk, and is basically ALL computer. In the original film we see Dillinger's desk is basically the same design and layout, is huge, and looks to be all computer. Keep in mind that he (and we would expect, Flynn) were practicing the 'paperless' approach - all the evidence of his work was stored only electronically until he printed it out after defeating the MCP. That desk is about the size of a restaurant fridge laid on it's side. Also keep in mind that it could be connected to another box of equal size nearby. We know that thing is connected to a network, and at some point either the POTS or internet itself.
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Broklynite wrote:
...And at that point, 2.5 gigs for digitizing a human being seems almost too small, doesn't it?


I could get into the missing fingerprints, but the hairless body thing would creep people out. Wink
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 		Okay, we're going way off topic here now. So, back to stuff int he trailer-

1. The morse code (it isn't but I'm calling it that for lack of a better term). I had a thought that it might be binary, similar to the chestplate deal. The trick would be figuring out the position of the dots.

2. 234567890 would seem to be obviously a deadend. Question is, why is there no 1?

3. Those strange patterns- they look really, really familiar but I dunno where from.

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 		Some good high-rez shots of the computer screen:

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz03c38056.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz536324d9.jpg

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Broklynite wrote:
Okay, we're going way off topic here now. So, back to stuff int he trailer-

1. The morse code (it isn't but I'm calling it that for lack of a better term). I had a thought that it might be binary, similar to the chestplate deal. The trick would be figuring out the position of the dots.

2. 234567890 would seem to be obviously a deadend. Question is, why is there no 1?

3. Those strange patterns- they look really, really familiar but I dunno where from.
What patterns? Pic please? Maybe I can help!

EDIT: Fond the morse code. Don't know where that'd fit into. But the patterns might be useful on the Derez site. I'm not certain, but I think we've finally found those 5 blasted codes!

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Hazado wrote:
Broklynite wrote:
Possibly code in the background in lights- looks almost like morse-ish.

Left: 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 1 2
Right: 2 3 2 3 1 2 2 3


Here is the other fighter
Left: 2 3 2 3 1 2 2 3 1 2
Right: 1 1


Looks like the right and left match up (both are 2 3 2 3 1 2 2 3 and probably more) So that's good to know.

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 		Correction to a number sequence
Um, this may be minor, but I believe that "234567890" may be wrong... it could also be "534267890" reading left to right upside down, or 098762435 if rotated by 180 degrees.

And I haven't had the time to read through every thread but did you guys catch the 3 digit number on one of the lightcycles in the VFX trailer?

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 		Oh crap nevermind... you were right. I checked it again with a mirror...

But did anyone see the number on those lightcycles in the older one? Not sure if that'll help. I think Flynn's is 193, or 198.

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