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thebruceModerator
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Euchre wrote:
If that is the case, anyone that's 'cheated' that badge is definitely cheating the honest players.


stealing from shad0:
WARNING -- GENERAL [META] YAMMERING: Wink

See, here's my thing... IMO, there's no "cheating" in and ARG (generally speaking). Because of the dynamic relationship between player and PM, ultimately whatever happens is, in theory, fair game. That is to say, if 'honest' players are effectively 'cheated' out of a reward, the PMs can adjust somehow to ensure that it's rectified and players are still rewarded accordingly, if they see fit.

I would not be upset (nor surprised) if these badges were removed after said possible bug was fixed. But if the badges remain, then either two things: 1) TPTB felt it was fine that all receive the badge or that was the intent from the beginning, or 2) TPTB found some other way to reward the 'honest' players. Neither case presents a reason that any players should be labeled 'cheaters' by other players. Cheating requires rules to be willingly broken. Since no rules have been laid here, there's no cheating.

Fair - now that's a different matter... fairness is subjective, and how PMs treat situations where some players feel unfairly treated can make a big difference. In this case, some players feel the fair thing to do would be to correct this potential bug so that only players who physically first collected and entered codes get the badge. Given the wording on the badge, I would support this. But no, I wouldn't label anyone who tried one of the codes and received the badge a "cheater".

But the whole idea of cheating in an ARG is a touchy subject anyway, dealing with game mechanics and competition and community and all that...
Ultimately, if there is no reward in the end affected by this badge, then it doesn't matter anyway. =)

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JamiroFan2000
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thebruce wrote:
Euchre wrote:
If that is the case, anyone that's 'cheated' that badge is definitely cheating the honest players.


stealing from shad0:
WARNING -- GENERAL [META] YAMMERING: Wink

See, here's my thing... IMO, there's no "cheating" in and ARG (generally speaking). Because of the dynamic relationship between player and PM, ultimately whatever happens is, in theory, fair game. That is to say, if 'honest' players are effectively 'cheated' out of a reward, the PMs can adjust somehow to ensure that it's rectified and players are still rewarded accordingly, if they see fit.

I would not be upset (nor surprised) if these badges were removed after said possible bug was fixed. But if the badges remain, then either two things: 1) TPTB felt it was fine that all receive the badge or that was the intent from the beginning, or 2) TPTB found some other way to reward the 'honest' players. Neither case presents a reason that any players should be labeled 'cheaters' by other players. Cheating requires rules to be willingly broken. Since no rules have been laid here, there's no cheating.

Fair - now that's a different matter... fairness is subjective, and how PMs treat situations where some players feel unfairly treated can make a big difference. In this case, some players feel the fair thing to do would be to correct this potential bug so that only players who physically first collected and entered codes get the badge. Given the wording on the badge, I would support this. But no, I wouldn't label anyone who tried one of the codes and received the badge a "cheater".

But the whole idea of cheating in an ARG is a touchy subject anyway, dealing with game mechanics and competition and community and all that...
Ultimately, if there is no reward in the end affected by this badge, then it doesn't matter anyway. =)

[/META] YAMMERING


Very well put, Shad0 & Euchre, I consider it as a 'consolation' for all of those fans whom were able to 'be part of the viral campaign in person' and for those whom couldn't.

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madopal
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thebruce wrote:
But if the badges remain, then either two things: 1) TPTB felt it was fine that all receive the badge or that was the intent from the beginning, or 2) TPTB found some other way to reward the 'honest' players. Neither case presents a reason that any players should be labeled 'cheaters' by other players. Cheating requires rules to be willingly broken. Since no rules have been laid here, there's no cheating.


As far as cheating is concerned, that's the truth. There's no logging of these things. Even if you've connected them to FB, it's VERY simple for them to adjust who gets what achievements, and if some/any/all disappear because they want them gone, well...them's the breaks. We're playing their game. They make the rules. If it's not a bug, then they intended this. If it is a bug, then it will be fixed (unless they don't want to, and then it's back to them intending it).
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JohnVision
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 		I completely agree with the above comments about this not being "cheating" and that the "Game Masters" can make any any adjustments they see fit after the fact anyway.

That said, would anyone be willing to PLEASE PM me a code that hasn't been posted elsewhere so I could try to get a "Gridlock Rendezvous" badge? Very Happy

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 		Finally got this...

Quote:
This message is to inform you that we were unable to use the photo you provided to create your Encom I.D., but a true gamer doesn't give up on the first level, right? Please try again. Your participation will be crucial as we assemble our team.


... So now I need to find a real photo of myself. But I don't have one! *sigh*
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:05 pm
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NWinTN
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 		From the Flynn Lives Facebook page-

Encom Badges Are On Their Way

From Zack - anyone still waiting for their Encom Employee Identification Badge: Been busy processing thousands of badges and sending them all over the world. Every effort has been made to get them out to you as quickly as possible. If you submitted a valid mailing address then you should r...eceive yours at the latest within 2-3 weeks. Thank you for your patience and support.

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MissingTeddyHanssen
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NWinTN wrote:
From the Flynn Lives Facebook page-

Encom Badges Are On Their Way

From Zack - anyone still waiting for their Encom Employee Identification Badge: Been busy processing thousands of badges and sending them all over the world. Every effort has been made to get them out to you as quickly as possible. If you submitted a valid mailing address then you should r...eceive yours at the latest within 2-3 weeks. Thank you for your patience and support.


Oh, from the looks of those badges.. Sad
I hope they'll ship mine here in Southeast Asia soon.. :\

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konamouse
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 		Yes, mine was waiting for me when I returned from vacation.

Nothing different from what has already been reported.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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Location: Where the cheese is free.

 		So... Anybody else who got to the infiltrate page on the first day, ordered up a badge, lives in California and still hasn't received it while the site reports, "You have already created a badge."

Or am I just "Speshul".

I'm not gonna go hang out in "The City" if "Peanut Gallery" is the best I can hope for.
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konamouse wrote:
Yes, mine was waiting for me when I returned from vacation.

Why do I suspect you only take vacations to build your anticipation for the cool ARG swag you will have received when you return home?
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madopal
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 		New badge up.

http://www.flynnlives.com/images/profile/a_encom_disruption.jpg


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:37 pm
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FSURobbie
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madopal wrote:
New badge up.

http://www.flynnlives.com/images/profile/a_encom_disruption.jpg



Tight. So jealous am I.

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trabera
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 		Did anyone have a problem entering their event code to get the OPERATION TRON achievement badge?

I entered the code and it said "Your code was accepted" but the badge does not show on my achievements page. I tried entering it again and it said "That code has already been entered"

So it took my code ok the first time but not showing the badge. Is there a time delay before it actually shows up? Anyone?

-JL

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padiwan
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trabera wrote:
Did anyone have a problem entering their event code to get the OPERATION TRON achievement badge?

I entered the code and it said "Your code was accepted" but the badge does not show on my achievements page. I tried entering it again and it said "That code has already been entered"

So it took my code ok the first time but not showing the badge. Is there a time delay before it actually shows up? Anyone?

-JL


Log out and log back in. I had to do that in order to get the achievement to show up.

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confusion
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madopal wrote:
New badge up.

http://www.flynnlives.com/images/profile/a_encom_disruption.jpg



So, does anyone that used my solution for getting the "gridlock" badge want to give back and PM me the code for the Encom event? Pretty please?

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