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atrament
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 		OK, sorry if that looked suspicious, I couldn't find the link Wink

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:02 pm
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spielpuppe
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 		Thanks, S.Venator for your explanation!

Okay, another try...

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... about the Mr. Tambourin Man Lyrics:
I took the original lyrics of this song from the web - a song lyric has to be in the right order, right?

Then I wrote down the number corresponding to each part of the lyric we have found yet... maybe the right order of the lyric parts leads as to the right order of numbers?

I think the main riddle lies behind the code that lays behind the lyrics.

Here is what we get when we put the lyrics into order:

2 1 5:
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

5 4 8:
Though I know that evenin's empire has returned into sand,
Vanished from my hand,
Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping.
My weariness amazes me, I'm branded on my feet,
I have no one to meet
And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming.

2 1 5:
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

6 5 9:
Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship,
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'.
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way,
I promise to go under it.

2 1 5:
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

8 7 11:
Though you might hear laughin', spinnin', swingin' madly across the sun,
It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
And but for the sky there are no fences facin'.
And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme
To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind,
I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're
Seein' that he's chasing.

2 1 5:
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

[no number yet!]
Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

2 1 5:
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.



PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:07 pm
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S.Venator
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 		In some civilizations, the astronomer priests watched for signs in the heavens to tell them when to make sacrifices. Sometimes the king himself was sacrificed, and on a somewhat regular basis all on the word of the powerful sky-watching priests. For example, at one time, every king in Malabar in ancient India could only rule for the 12 years it took Jupiter to make its way through all the zodiac signs. Once Jupiter reached the sign of Cancer, the fatal time had come, according to the priests. They insisted that the king must commit a ritual, public suicide just as the planet, from our point of view on Earth, appeared to move backwards.
( http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/display.cfm?ST_ID=525 )

THAT means a change....

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S.Venator
Boot

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 		@spielpuppe

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

tried to sigilize:
2155482156592158711215
5486598711215
469 721
IVIIX VIIIII........ does'nt work


PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:59 pm
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spielpuppe
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 		@S.Venator: Thanks for the try!

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Maybe we don't have the right number constellation at the moment (e.g.: the refrain with the number "215" does appear several times, maybe that could be a problem... there are also fragments we have found on the website that dont seem to belong to the original songtext).


So I guess we are stuck at this point. The question should be: what can be our next actions to get new clues for solving the riddle?

My suggestion would be:

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a) Focus on some people we could try to find or contact (again)?
As there are: Laurie, Vincent, Sgt. Milrand (any hints on him yet?)
b) Simply trying a brute force method to see if there are more URLs working.
c) Since the number 12 seems to have a central role in our riddle we should look for more clues referring to the number 12.



PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:38 pm
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Coal
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 		Woah explosion - glad to see they like my (Gargary Blalid) sigil! I really am useless with numerals and stuff like this...

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nomad
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 		Why don't we try to contact Neil directly? I've sent him a friend request on facebook, but there is no answer answer yet.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:28 am
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ellocia
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 		Dude, I think Neils gone.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:00 am
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nomad
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 		Don't think so. That orb appeared to stun him, not actually kill him.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:27 am
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S.Venator
Boot

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spielpuppe wrote:


My suggestion would be:

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a) Focus on some people we could try to find or contact (again)?
As there are: Laurie, Vincent, Sgt. Milrand (any hints on him yet?)
b) Simply trying a brute force method to see if there are more URLs working.
c) Since the number 12 seems to have a central role in our riddle we should look for more clues referring to the number 12.



May I add some thoughts...
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d) Goldman and Dawn

There are Paul and Laurie, but no personal contact. I´m sure, there is more information hidden behind that URL.

603-555-2277 ...maybe the key

603 doesnt fit in the pattern 1-12, found no thelemic meaning

555 =" The Magical Number of the Pentagram or Pentalpha which is composed of 5 A's. A is Aleph in Hebrew, and Aleph spelled in full is 111. 5x111=555=HAD spelled in full. Thus the Pentagram is a symbol of HAD (Hadit), the flame that burns in every heart of man and in the core of every Star." (source: http://davidcherubim.net/documents/gematria.htm)

2277 found no deeper meaning. Sigilization would eliminate it.

e) Neil Desmarais
He is our man in the middle of the scene. Works in a hospital in shift rotation, is maybe involved in patient care, but is no doctor. He is in contact to the other key figures (Laurie, Sgt. Milrand, Sarahs mother, even Vincent). He seems to focus on the local search, but doesn´t answers on our personal requests(so far). So we have to follow him on facebook or twitter. Crying or Very sad

f) Yves Desmarais
Writer, Interviewer of Robert Maxwell, brother of Neil? Found no contact information. No further idea.

g) Thelema college

There will be more behind the seal, for sure.

"The Zelator should wait twelve months or longer after the initiation before advancing to the next grade of the Dominus Liminis. It is the spiritual stage of Birth. In the Zelator grade there are concentrated the Mysteries of the Four Elements, so that the fully initiated Zelator is also called a Theoricus, Practicus and Philosophus." (http://thelemicgoldendawn.net/)

So, we´re up to Philosophus then...


PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:28 pm
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spielpuppe
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 		Greetings S.Venator (and all others too!). I agree with your statement:

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"The Pentagram, or Pentalpha, is composed of five A's. A is Aleph in the Magical Alphabet, and the number of Aleph spelled in full is 111 (Aleph-Lamed-Peh). 5 x 111 = 555, which is the number of HAD spelled in full (H=10+A=111+D=434). Thus the Pentagram is a symbol of HAD"

I guess we are on the right path. Maybe the sentence "There is Magick in our numbers." can be understood very directly and we are searching for a specific word within the "phone number" from Goldman and Dawn, "603-555-2277".

With the solution for "555" the puzzle looks like this:

603HAD2277

So we are probably looking for a word with 10 letters, which can be decoded by using "Magick". Where can we find "Magick"?

On http://thelemicgoldendawn.net/documents.htm there are two documents whose title contain the word Magick:

http://thelemicgoldendawn.net/documents/hexagram.htm "The Hexagram of Magick"

and

http://thelemicgoldendawn.net/documents/pentagram.htm "The Pentagram of Magick" (containing our part of the solution with "HAD").

Maybe we have to crawl all of the documents on thelemicgoldendawn and each one of them helps us to decode one more part of 603HAD2277?

Just a guess...
Greetings
spielpuppe



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 		I'm gonna agree with Ellocia - I think Neil is gone as well. I'm friended with his FB profile as well as the Where is Sarah DiMichaela? group and he hasn't posted anything (on the group site) since Thursday the 8th of April according to FB (I'm on QLD time though). He never posted anything on his wall, he always posted on the group site.


If he was just stunned, he's gonna have a hell of a headache when he wakes up lol
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spielpuppe
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 		I' m reading over the whole Thread as well as our current hints again and again... but no real brilliant idea yet.

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Can someone of you help me out with the last sentences from the video, which has been taken secretly at Goldman and Dawn (It can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZT8qM4lykA)? I have to see it again and again because I m the opinion that we might have overseen a hint within it. The speakers do speak very fast so that I couldn't figure out everythin from the last 30 seconds.:

"We have a test built into the new application form"
"What test?"
"The potential initiates build a sigil directly into the test form. There is also a mantra, which is an anagram for one of the first orders (I guess "Zelator" is the solution for this anagram??). A real initiate should be able to [can't understand the speaker from this point on]...

I also cant put away the fact that Maxwell sais in his interview, that brand logos also can be sigils (do you think what I think?).
Also: he talks quite a lot about the "seal of 12" and that you just need the "initiate key" to solve the whole puzzle....maybe we have to read a bit more through the lines within his interview.

We also know very few about "Solan". First we got to know him as a test subject (http://www.thelemacollege.com/disks/jupiter/) then we read that he is probably also looking for Sarah (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48746817@N06/4468740770/). So he seems to be quite alive allthough we have seen him being a "test subject" within a video showing a blue something...


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atrament
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 		About 603-555-2277 :
The 603-555 part is the area code for the place. (coherent with manchester, new hampshire).

So if there is a clue in that I would look for it in the 2277 part. I love your idea btw, that sentence puzzled me for a while and now i think we might make sense of it...

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spielpuppe
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
603-555-2277 also seems to be a valid phone number within that area:
http://areacode.callerprofile.com/phonenumber/603/603_555.html

@atrament: If there is a clue hidden within 2277 as you have suggested, what about:
Manchester/New Hampshire, 22nd street, house number 77?


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