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[UPDATE] New Incidentlog files
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yanka
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DonkeyOatey wrote:
I think we agree on the general "spirit" of the interpretation, but disagree on some details. I think it's too early to say definitively what the correct interpetation is. Possibly as more incident logs appear, things will become clearer. But in the spirit of a good argument, here are my comments

Though I'm stubborn, I would rather not argue any further - because, as you point out, we have no way of verifying who is correct (though I think it's me Laughing ). However, it's a slow day, so... maybe I'll just argue at least ONE thing - for entertainment of sorts

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Again, I think this is a question of not enough information yet. The four digit codes could mean anything. For example, as I alluded to above, it could be refering to a horizontal location of the sensors. I'm leaning towards it reflecting compartment locations within the modules. Maybe 23 means inside compartment 23 (or between 2 & 3, etc.) and 00 means right up near the main LETTERED door.

We have an alarm system in our house. It's meant to "react" to 2 things - fire/smoke and somebody breaking in. If either of the 2 happens, it sends a signal to the alarm company. The signal they receive tells them what happened in our house - fire or burglary. They can even break it down further and tell if somebody broke into an empty house, or if I'm home and am warning them of an intruder, etc.
Aquapolis' system dwarfs ours by all means; I'm sure it must be able to tell what kind of breach is occuring: for example, if it's a security breach - did somebody break a sensor? or tried to open a secure door without authorization? or broke a camera? enter secure area? punch in incorrect access code? When someone/thing receives a breach warning, they'd probably want to know more details about what's happening. I mean, the only indications of the "kind of breach" we have so far are the ones from the legend frame, and they are, imo, too broad for a sophisticated system that SafeSys is supposed to be. Of course, they could be sensor IDs/locations, but then there has to be a quick way to convert "sensor location" to a kind of sensor - water? smoke? door? - and break that down as well - "how much smoke (deadly or bearable level)"? etc.

I think 231x and 004x contain that^ information within them; so given the difference in breach codes, I conclude that the breaches were different etc.

Sorry to lose sight of your argument; but again, I think you would agree that coming up with the understanding of what happened there depends on the details that we have no sufficient basis of interpreting.

Btw, LOVE your name - clever and hilarious!
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DonkeyOatey wrote:

I disagree. I suspect that any person attempting to log in from an unauthenticated IP would have no control over anything. Not only could they not even attempt to send actions, they likely wouldn't be able to even watch things happening (wouldn't even let the person into the control panel to view).



Uhh...the first set of incident logs show the panel being viewed from an unauthenticated IP address, although "control access" is disabled...

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yanka wrote:
I think 231x and 004x contain that^ information within them; so given the difference in breach codes, I conclude that the breaches were different etc.

Sorry to lose sight of your argument; but again, I think you would agree that coming up with the understanding of what happened there depends on the details that we have no sufficient basis of interpreting.


As I said earlier, I could easily be convinced of this, and your arguments regarding the sensors are quite convincing. My "guess" that the first incident reflects a "water breach" as opposed to any other kind of "breach" is based mostly on the system's actions that follow it (immediate closing of bulk heads, and manual closing of a "broken" bulkhead), along with the public reaction in the Aquapolis news. I see how those things can be "justified" by a "security" breach as well (another plausible alternative I initially considered: those sensors are motion sensors, and reflect a person being somewhere that they shouldn't be. Said system would probably close as many bulkheads as possible to lock the offenders inside, and what would it look like if someone physically held a closing door open?), but it still seems to feel more natural (to me, at least) to assume a water breach. The most damning evidence towards your spec is the curious "system" vs. "flood" distinction between the two incidents, but I guess I'm just saying (and you seem to agree) that it still leaves alot to interpretation.

So, though I still think I'm closer to the "truth", but it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were. Hopefully we'll see more eventually.

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Marauder wrote:
DonkeyOatey wrote:

I disagree. I suspect that any person attempting to log in from an unauthenticated IP would have no control over anything. Not only could they not even attempt to send actions, they likely wouldn't be able to even watch things happening (wouldn't even let the person into the control panel to view).



Uhh...the first set of incident logs show the panel being viewed from an unauthenticated IP address, although "control access" is disabled...


Well, you're kind of assuming that it's in a "view mode". The only thing it says under the heading "Control Access" (which is greyed-out here, suggesting it's "not on") is:
"Unauthenticated ID. Control Access Diabled". I agree that this could be interpreted that the person at the other end of the pipe can "look but not touch", but it could also be interpreted that (s)he can't even look (along the lines of trying to gain control panel access to a website, FTP, etc.). From a security standpoint, I would suspect the later to be more typical.

I mean, why let an unsecured IP even get into the control panel, if only to see it?

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DonkeyOatey wrote:
I mean, why let an unsecured IP even get into the control panel, if only to see it?


So they can employ a "minimum wage" monkey to keep an eye on it for alerts without risking them messing the system up. Obviously.
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DonkeyOatey wrote:
Marauder wrote:
DonkeyOatey wrote:

I disagree. I suspect that any person attempting to log in from an unauthenticated IP would have no control over anything. Not only could they not even attempt to send actions, they likely wouldn't be able to even watch things happening (wouldn't even let the person into the control panel to view).



Uhh...the first set of incident logs show the panel being viewed from an unauthenticated IP address, although "control access" is disabled...


Well, you're kind of assuming that it's in a "view mode". The only thing it says under the heading "Control Access" (which is greyed-out here, suggesting it's "not on") is:
"Unauthenticated ID. Control Access Diabled". I agree that this could be interpreted that the person at the other end of the pipe can "look but not touch", but it could also be interpreted that (s)he can't even look (along the lines of trying to gain control panel access to a website, FTP, etc.). From a security standpoint, I would suspect the later to be more typical.

I mean, why let an unsecured IP even get into the control panel, if only to see it?


I agree that it makes no sense, but the unauthenticated user is obviosuly viewing what is happening... I mean, that's what the files ARE...

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the pictures all appear to be taken on the third level. The first one, the overhead view, doesn't appear to show too much. pictures 2 - 4 are a little more complex. From what I saw, it looks like there are a few clues.

1 a black tile "rim" around what I would presume to be the surface of the pool. Assuming that the pool is on the Delios level, the black tile rim would be the surface of the water in the pool. underwater observation rooms aren't unusual for pools, but multiple observation rooms are. I can only speculate that the room was intentionally made for observing the "pool" or outside area.

2 the camera doesn't move. If it was a human filming, the picture's reference would have changed. A security system definetly captured the photos.

3 the "swimmer's" clenched fists in the photo are a sign of struggle. If he was going to manually override the bulkhead, and drain the area, he's be tugging on the override, not banging on the window.

4 the "swimmer" must know that something is observing the area. If he isn't trying to escape, he's trying to get some help, by alerting whoever is observing the room.

I wish I was more help. I recently picked up on the game. let me know if I can help in any way!

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Marauder wrote:

I agree that it makes no sense, but the unauthenticated user is obviosuly viewing what is happening... I mean, that's what the files ARE...


I disagree. I suspect the files are showing up there as an automatic function of this customer's SafeSys system setup (whenever an incident happens, SafeSys posts appropriate logs & screenshots in that specific directory). And if not automatically, it's likely done by an Aquapolis employee for "legit" information sharing purposes (troubleshooting problems, etc.)

Of course, I think an exception applies to the photos of the man drowning (in what is certainly not INTENDED to be a pool, by the way. Please re-read just about every post in this thread for clarification). Those images were put there by someone "manually" at a later date. This person likely intends to "nail home" the concept that someone died in there. Perhaps it's our sabateur? Guilty Employee? "Faces of Death" fan?

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webcam

Omnie brought this up: the webcam "stuff" has changed. If it's soemhow supposed to help us further our investigation of "what happened in Aqaupolis", I'll... never mind... it just doesn't seem to help Evil or Very Mad

I tried decking that flash - but I don't find anything intreresting Question
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Looking at the flash webcam, it looks as though it's a camera with a lot of jitter, like the tracking is all screwed up (yes, I know I'm stating the obvious... just getting everything out so people know where I'm coming from Smile )

The only interesting thing I've found thus far is the timer persists throughout your visit to the site. Now, I haven't had a chance to test to see if it persists between sessions or IP's yet - anyone else is more than welcome to jump in on this one - but even so, it isn't hard to program that into a flash routine. FYI, when I visited the site, it was reporting something like 8.00pm... I can't be sure because I hit status and promptly left to make a coffee. I'm curious to find out if this is an actual time though, or if everyone else statrs at 8pm.

What makes me curious, is that for all intents and purposes it's just the one picture, on a vertical "jitter-loop". One lousy picture. Which completely blows the size of the Aquapolis flash out of all proportion.

I'm not condoing deking the flash, but I'd also be very curious to find out what the go is with the picture. Looks to me like a coral reef... nothing really thrilling there but hey, whatever turns your crank... Wink
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It goes off the timing for your system clock. For me it appears to be giving out GMT-9 (Alaska). It appears that no matter what time zone you are in, they correct it to GMT -9.

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yanka
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I dunno... for me, it gives GMT+3, which is 1 hour ahead of Greece (whose time it should be giving).

As far as decompling it - I'm not suggesting anything horribly "behind the curtain". But what can we glean from it now? 1. The time is screwy. 2. The picture "jumps" (irregularly, btw - it goes through 11 short "jumps" and the 12th one is like a double-jump).

That's after they 1) updated the "webcam"; 2) updated the update.

It's as if they're saying "you should look at this". And it's not like they don't rely on us doing something along those lines to begin with (carelessly). If we deck it, we might find that one of the frames is somehow different. I mean, what fps is it set at - there might even be a "hidden" frame if it's very high? (I'm using trial software, and it only gives me some results). Or they could have hidden text inside the script. Etc. Otherwise, it's
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just the one picture, on a vertical "jitter-loop". One lousy picture. Which completely blows the size of the Aquapolis flash out of all proportion.


[EDIT] We might not even have to deck the whole site. The heading is "Aquapolis Construction Cam". Maybe there is a separate swf or even some other aquapolis_construction_cam.* somewhere on aqaupolis that just has the stupid thing in it alone. [EDIT]
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aquopolis new jobs

Taken from here:
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EMPLOYMENT circa Oct.21-ish:

A\R Clerk
Advisor Employee Relations
Analyst Customer Rel. MKTG
Calibration Engineer
Carpenter
Chief Boatswain
Chief Marine Engineer
Dispatcher Transportation
Dolphin Handler Assistant
Electrician
Engine Utilityman
Fiberglass Technician
Hydraulic Specialist
Info. Systems Asst.
Labor Analyst Coord.
Locksmith
Maintenance Engineer
Marine Mechanic
Meterologist
MGR Travel Industry Sales
Oiler
Painter
Plumber
Preventative Maintenance Mechanic
Project Engineer
Purchasing Agent
Reservations-Guest SVC Rep-OC
Rigger
Scuba Diver
Security Officer - Marina
Security Officer - SEC
Sonar Operator
SPEC Communication
SR Accountant Staff
SR Financial Analyst
Supv. Reservation
Survey Technician
Tech. Maint. Airlocks
Tech. Maint. Pool

EMPLOYMENT circa Oct.29-ish:

A\R Clerk
Advisor Employee Relations
Analyst Customer Rel. MKTG
Calibration Engineer
Carpenter
Chief Boatswain
Chief Marine Engineer
Dispatcher Transportation
Electrician
Engine Utilityman
Hydraulic Specialist
Janitorial Engineer
Marine Mechanic
MGR Travel Industry Sales
Oiler
Painter
Plumber
Preventative Maintenance Mechanic
Purchasing Agent
Reservations-Guest SVC Rep-OC
Rigger
Scuba Diver
Sonar Operator
SPEC Communication
SR Accountant Staff
SR Financial Analyst
Supv. Reservation
Survey Technician
Welder

JOBS LOST (or filled):

Dolphin Handler Assistant --> maybe Wongmo got this one (sorry, had to say it Razz )
Fiberglass Technician
Info. Systems Asst.
Labor Analyst Coord.
Locksmith
Maintenance Engineer
Meterologist
Project Engineer
Security Officer - Marina
Security Officer - SEC
Tech. Maint. Airlocks
Tech. Maint. Pool

JOBS ADDED:

Janitorial Engineer


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The Aquapolis website is driving me nuts. It seems like a lot of work went into it, and unless I'm missing something, we can't seem to find out how it's "connected" to anything else. I can't shake the idea that there is a piece of the puzzle waiting to be found there.

Just throwing out this possibility - about the construction webcam: What if the point they are trying to make is that the cam isn't "real"... In other words, (hang with me here...) we know that this is just a game in "real life", so we knew that the webcam wasn't really of a real Aquapolis that was really being built in Greece....

If you noticed, before the webcam started scrolling vertically like it is now, it was just a short loop that repeated over and over. But you could still notice an extremely small amount of vertical scroll... It seemed like every couple of frames, the image moved "up" by a pixel, until the video finally looped and skipped back down the few pixels it had risen up, going to the beginning of the loop. I studied that thing for a while, and that's about the only anomoly I noticed about it. Considering the attention to detail the PMs have done so far, I'm thinking that the "slight" scrolling possibly wasn't an accident. If they couldn't get the webcam to be perfectly believeable, why would they put it there at all?... unless there was some clue there? Both incarnations of the webcam are clearly flawed - they seem made to look imperfect - made to look like a video tape loop, even more so now with the pronounced vertical scrolling.

Perhaps that was the point - that the construction cam wasn't "supposed" to be "real" in the first place. When they edited it to introduce the pronounced vertical scroll, perhaps the PMs are saying "Yes, this cam ISN'T a real webcam, and there's a reason for that". Add in the fact that it's not an actual timestamp, simply a time code based on your PC system clock, and you've got too much evidence that breaks what is otherwise a completely believable website. Think about it - if you didn't know it was part of the game, you'd probably believe everything on that website - except the webcam...

Besides, that's a pretty lousy construction cam anyway, isn't it? It doesn't really even show anything... There has to be something going on there.

Oh well. I guess I don't really have any great ideas, I'm just throwing that info out there as a possibility. It seems like we're making significant progress around here with almost all of the other websites in the game, yet the Aquapolis stuff doesn't seem to be leading anywhere yet. Even the incidentlog stuff is still somewhat of a mystery...

What's the Aquapolis' connection to everything else?

(sorry this post was so long! Razz )

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I am still convinced the time thing on the construction cam is significant. I am not sure if it is inherent of Flash, but if I click rewind, it goes back one hour and if I go forward it goes back to your system time. If I go forward once more, the screen goes blank. If it is a quirck of flash (because it is a loop), ignore my question.. Confused I just want to make sure no stone goes unturned

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