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Bender6
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Anyone working on this today? I've made a couple more half-hearted attempts, but I am running out of ideas.

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I'm still battling on, just can't think of much else just now.

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SamuelofR247
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Bender6 wrote:
Anyone working on this today? I've made a couple more half-hearted attempts, but I am running out of ideas.


Busy today with the kids and stuff. My better half would KILL me if I sat around racking my brain with codes today lol. Probably sit down tonight and get in deep again when things are settled....

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Ok, I've been working on this for a few hours, and I can only conclude the following:

Starting from the top...

They used the earths magnetic field, x the information was gathered and transmitted.

Keywords: Kryptos, Abscissa - polyalphabetic substitution?

MOD (4 tones) - 10 21 26 1 26 19 / 25 16 22 2 20 1 21 23 16 26 22 19 3

JUZAZSYPVBTAUWPZVSC

This is the main problem we have right now. Decoding this is most likely related to everything that follows.

Nothing in life is to be feared it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more so that we may fear less.
-Marie Curie

MOD 100
(series of frequencies)

2,8,18,32,21,9,2 = U - Uranium - Element 92
2,8,18,32,24,8,2 = Pu - Plutonium - Element 94

Outside of consciousness there lies the cold and alien world of actual things.
-Hertz

I think that the two quotes above are simply linked to getting those two elements. I don't see them having any other relevance.

MOD-
(hidden spetrascope image)-

5+5=10
FREEDOM=7
5+5=10

Kenneth, what's the frequency? - REM? Rather?

Linear, not algorithmic

It's this last bit. It's possible that both quotes are simply pointing to the spectroscope picture, frequencies and linear to give direction on how to see them, but it may be something more.

Either way, all the resulting decrypted information must be linked to the first cipher.


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In thinking of it, and maybe this has mentioned before...

If you take the line "FREEDOM=7", the "7" being the number of letters in the word "FREEDOM" ... When I look at "5+5=10", it makes me think that we may be looking for two five-letter words.
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Kaltern
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Nighthawk wrote:
In thinking of it, and maybe this has mentioned before...

If you take the line "FREEDOM=7", the "7" being the number of letters in the word "FREEDOM" ... When I look at "5+5=10", it makes me think that we may be looking for two five-letter words.


Possibly, although the date 5/5/10 does seem reasonable...

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Bender6
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Nighthawk wrote:
In thinking of it, and maybe this has mentioned before...

If you take the line "FREEDOM=7", the "7" being the number of letters in the word "FREEDOM" ... When I look at "5+5=10", it makes me think that we may be looking for two five-letter words.


That's the theory I've been operating under since last night. A couple combinations have been proposed by other people so far, including "Marie Curie." I ran out of ideas several dozen combinations ago, so I'm some what desperate for ideas and would love to hear any suggestions you might have.

Kaltern wrote:
Possibly, although the date 5/5/10 does seem reasonable...
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ETA. Considering how my cipher key theory has left a dent in the wall I have been banging my head against, 5/5/2010 is seeming like a better and better idea all the time.

The catch is that we still have a cipher that needs decrypting, and I still think the spectrographic image is the best clue we have.

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I assume we've concluded that it's not encoded using any of the methods used in the Kryptos (or at least not with it's key words)?

And I'd imagine the Spectrum hint has to be more than a date... Even if it was the 5/5/10 thing that people are speculating that still leaves us with Freedom = 7....

Almost 3am here.... Many people still working at this?

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Bender6
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Doomofman wrote:
I assume we've concluded that it's not encoded using any of the methods used in the Kryptos (or at least not with it's key words)?


We have confirmed that the cipher DOES NOT use the Kryptos K1/K2 key words. Kryptos K3 was encrypted with a different method, and if anyone here could solve K4, we would be done with this already.

That being said, since the first sentence in a transmission has told us what cipher to us in the past, I don't think we can dismiss the Kryptos K1/K2 cipher type yet (Quagmire III).

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Doomofman
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Bender6 wrote:
Doomofman wrote:
I assume we've concluded that it's not encoded using any of the methods used in the Kryptos (or at least not with it's key words)?


We have confirmed that the cipher DOES NOT use the Kryptos K1/K2 key words. Kryptos K3 was encrypted with a different method, and if anyone here could solve K4, we would be done with this already.

That being said, since the first sentence in a transmission has told us what cipher to us in the past, I don't think we can dismiss the Kryptos K1/K2 cipher type yet (Quagmire III).


Ok so... The third part of the message could safely be assumed to be giving us the method for finding the 'freedom' clue....

Has the second part of the message, the 'curie' bit lead to anything?

Is it possible there's a keyword hidden as an anagram somewhere in all this?

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Bender6
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Doomofman wrote:

Ok so... The third part of the message could safely be assumed to be giving us the method for finding the 'freedom' clue....

Has the second part of the message, the 'curie' bit lead to anything?

Is it possible there's a keyword hidden as an anagram somewhere in all this?


Another possibility that was raised, and that I am currently subscribing to, is that the Curie and Hertz quotes are two clues for the same puzzle. The Hertz clue told us to find the frequency of the tones, MOD 100 told us to divide by 100, and Curie told us to turn these numbers into elements via electron shell configuration.

When it comes to finding the key phrase, ANYTHING is possible at this point. If you possible key phrases, please share them, for the time being we have hit a bit of a dead end with this particular puzzle.

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SamuelofR247
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Bender6 wrote:

That being said, since the first sentence in a transmission has told us what cipher to us in the past, I don't think we can dismiss the Kryptos K1/K2 cipher type yet (Quagmire III).


Couldn't agree more. Since the trend has been exactly what Bender's describing here we just can't rule out the type of cipher that first line of dialogue is leading us to. Additionally, what speaks to this point more is that the amount of "key words" we have as clues means the amount of combinations possible (between "alphabet key" and "passphrase") leaves us to simply keep trying every word we've been given along with "J U Z A Z S Y P V B T A U W P Z V S C" shifted by 4 AND -4. So, the combinations of just the keyed cipher are too many to be ruled out IMO.
I also don't think we should rule out what I mentioned last night though either; Columnar Transpostion that was used to decrypt Kryptos' section 3 or "K3". The line "They used the earhts magnetic field x the information was gathered and transmitted" was an actual clue to help the kryptos group decrypt section 3. I know I'm repeating myself here, sorry....

Additionally, didn't "Kenneth, what's the frequency?" just serve as our clue to check the frequncy of those sounds where the two elements were found? Something interesting about this phrase though other than that is the "answer" to the question ....

From; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rather ....

Quote:
In the 2006-07 graphic novel Shooting War, the fictional Dan Rather of the year 2011 it portrays has adopted the personal motto, "The frequency is courage."


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Bender6
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Samuel,

Last night I wasn't sure about your columnar Transposition theory. In a less sleep deprived state, it makes a lot more sense. There is a question about this idea that is bothering me.

I did some quick reading on the Kryptos Wiki about the K3 solution. When discussion the solution, it was said that a transposition system was used, but the exact nature of the system is unknown, although there are several common theories about the exact transposition system used. This leads me to my concern. In the past, the clue gave us the EXACT cipher system to be used. If we use K3 as the model for this cipher, then we have a puzzle that is far more vague. The counter-point to this is that this puzzle is more complex then the others, so forcing us to do serious work for a solution is not impossible to imagine.

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SamuelofR247
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Well, and keep in mind that I obviously haven't solved anything with the K3 "Columnar" Transposition Cipher 'cause I'd have posted it here immediately lol....

It's more of a suggestion that just kinda comes on the heels of "They used the earths magnetic field x....." and where it could lead us. I don't wanna be responsible for anyone's brain frying other than mine! Which, coincidentally... happened already a while back....

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Again, I leave only a few meager tidbits before bed.

The Marie Curie quote comes from Our Precarious Habitat (1973) by Melvin A. Benarde.
Searching for it in google books gave me this page.
If you look at page 329 it defines:
curie (obviously named after the scientist) as a unit of radioactivity.
and rem* an acronym for "roentgen equivalent man ", a unit of of absorbed dose of ionizing radiation that accounts for biological effectiveness. Or from Wiki: The röntgen (roentgen) equivalent in man or rem is a traditional historical unit of radiation dose equivalent.

*What's the frequency, Kenneth? is a song by the band R.E.M.

I don't know where that gets us, but I thought it should at least be noted along with all this other information going around.

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