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TESTING GROUNDS (was: Snail Mail (Lack of) Interaction)
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MageSteff
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 		TESTING GROUNDS (was: Snail Mail (Lack of) Interaction)
***Edit*** Since this thread has taken a turn away from In game contact - this was moved to a more appropriate spot... Time to test out some theories!

......original message....
Just on the off chance that the address on the business card received at ARG Con in Las Vegas was a functional one - I checked criss-cross directory on the address and lo and behold, there was a building at that address, and guess what, it was filed with Lawyer offices! Egads, was it possible, could it be that there would be someone to actually recognize the Name on the letter and reply! I crossed my fingers about a week or two ago and sent off an old fashioned Pen and Paper letter.

Today, sadly I report, the address on the business card is 404. It was returned, no such person.

Dang. Dang. Dang. How can we help the Lawyers help Jake if we can't get to them? This is very frustrating.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:37 pm
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konamouse
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 		It was a wonderful effort, steff.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:43 am
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Lance_Lake
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 		Good Try
You know.. Sometimes a 404 error can be corrected by selecting a new page to send it to...

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MageSteff
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 		Re: Good Try
Lance_Lake wrote:
You know.. Sometimes a 404 error can be corrected by selecting a new page to send it to...


I CCed Acheron Admin, per web site physical adress, no deposit, but not 404 return either. *sigh*

If you have a better address, I will surely send a new ping.


***EDIT***
I just remembered where I recognized you from - rec.org.sca, and rec.games.frp...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:15 pm
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Lance_Lake
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 		Where you know me from and a new Ping.
We already discussed my past. Now the concern is the future I would assume.

May I suggest not only to MageSteff, but to everyone that it may be that you are trying to fit this game into the confines of the past ARG's. This will most likely get you trapped fast in that form of thinking.

Of course, you know I'm just a player and not privy to the PM's secrets, but don't let it supprise you that the ideas you held unto because they were that way in another game don't hold true in this one.

If you have trouble getting mail back from them, how would you proceed in RL? Call them? Fax? Actually travel out there to see what is going on? Look up their information on the internet?

I dunno. I'm just a player. It looks as though the game is still being played and the mixed up knight is still on the board, but no one has moved him yet.

Take the above as you will. Perhaps the PM's will hide clues where you least expect them. No sweat of my nose. Smile

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MageSteff
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 		Re: Where you know me from and a new Ping.
Lance_Lake wrote:
We already discussed my past. Now the concern is the future I would assume.


Oh yes, your past... I also had a very interesting discussion (or lack of) with others as well. Someone else's future may have already happened, and has yet to happen. Perhaps. Not enough empiric data to start that extrapolation yet.



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May I suggest not only to MageSteff, but to everyone that it may be that you are trying to fit this game into the confines of the past ARG's. This will most likely get you trapped fast in that form of thinking.


Considering that this is only my second, that is a broad assumption on your part, that I , or anyone else has confinded themselves to a specific portion of the maze. When your opponent decides to stand up and walk away from the table, it is hard to make the next move without his participation.

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If you have trouble getting mail back from them, how would you proceed in RL? Call them? Fax? Actually travel out there to see what is going on? Look up their information on the internet?


I C said the fly, only someone who bothered to look would have seen this:
[:color=black:]Actually travel out there to see what is going on?[:/color:]

Indeed. Call which number? The PM's directly? That would be peeking.
The only other address we have has been ping-ed and bounced back as non-functional. As far as the Catalina address, I'll check anywho, but we don't need to go bothering people who are not participating. As for travel, that is limited. We do not know the location Reggie/Marcus/John is at. Meg has not shown a willingness to reply to the invitation of more persoalized contact, in fact may be a bit spooked by our efforts to reach her, no stalking charges for me thankyou. Jake has pretty much fired us. Professor (Insert preferred name here) has yet to be reached with initial contact, newsconference aside.


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I dunno. I'm just a player. It looks as though the game is still being played and the mixed up knight is still on the board, but no one has moved him yet.

Take the above as you will. Perhaps the PM's will hide clues where you least expect them. No sweat of my nose. Smile


The mixed up knight may still be on the board, but if he does not make a reply to my last move I cannot make my next move. In a game free of time, being able to play the waiting game becomes a stratgy to be used with finesse.

In the beginning Reggie told me "Black Knight will not run the board."
Knights are most effective if they are in the center... The grey knight is marginalized at best, and may be removed from the board if he plays a gambit he doesn't have the strength to back it up.

Care to meet me for a game of Chess? I'll be in Orlando Nov 7-9. Watch this space for updates.
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 		I moved this over to General by request since we're talking about theoretical rather than actual contact. Cool

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Lance_Lake
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 		Theoritical Contact
Are we?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:17 pm
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 		Re: Theoritical Contact
Lance_Lake wrote:
Are we?
We have plenty of questions. No need to add another one.
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 		Nothing wrong with keeping an open mind - I think it's true that this community has gotten a bit lazy in expecting contacts/puzzles to come at us in ways we have seen from earlier games. Whether or not Lance there is trying to mess with us, it's a good point.
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MageSteff
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 		Re: Theoritical Contact
Lance_Lake wrote:
Are we?


Have you been to the Arizona desert then Lance? Have you taken your own advice and traveled to Catalina? Have you set foot inside Jake's home? Curious minds want to know. I call. Time to show your hand Lance. Let's see who is bluffing.
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 		I have no idea who Lance is but I agree with Aliendial. An open mind is a good thing.

Is it me or is this game dependent on being in a chat room in order to get clues? If this is the case then I think it's a game flaw. I don't want to be hanging out in a chat room all the time waiting for Caretaker to show up to give us clues. Other forms of contact would be nice and would draw more players who feel as I do.

Maybe this game hasn't really started?

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MageSteff
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dashcat wrote:

Is it me or is this game dependent on being in a chat room in order to get clues?


The first two were e-mails, other were web pages (that I agree were found from clues given in chat room/IM situations). I too would like a few more methods of contact. So far, only Jamesi has received a phone call. My snail mail letter was returned as undeliverable.

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Maybe this game hasn't really started?


I guess that depends on your point of view. For some it began (or not) with that first e-mail survey, the disk and message at ARGCon earlier this year, a random YIM contact asking about someone else...
For a game that hasn't started yet, we certainly have a good bit of background information.
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 		Re: Theoritical Contact
Magesteff wrote:
Lance_Lake wrote:
Are we?


Have you been to the Arizona desert then Lance? Have you taken your own advice and traveled to Catalina? Have you set foot inside Jake's home? Curious minds want to know. I call. Time to show your hand Lance. Let's see who is bluffing.


You call? I didn't realize we were playing a game. Smile

*sigh* I never said that I did any of these things. Heck, besides you, I've been basically kicked out of the game. All I'm saying is that you need to expand your horizions. If *I* were a PM, I would have something going on during the downtime while tom gets things working up to speed again. But like I said in many a post... I'm just a player here. It's you who's assuming that I'm even holding a hand to bluff with.

Look, I'm not a PM for this game. I'm a player who played in several ARG's and even WAS a PM in a few of them (mostly local ones. Not national). I'm also a PM for a game about to be released. So I'm trying to give you some insight from outside the game. The Genre is changing. If you expect the clues to come to you in doses that you see in other games, where's the challenge?

You looked up the lawyers office in a cross reference. Good for you. You are learning. You sent a letter to it. No reply. Perhaps you (or anyone else) can't get out there. Fine. How about calling a friend to check it out. Perhaps getting a phone number of another lawyer in the area to check it out for you. Perhaps you addressed the letter wrong.

Consider this. Why would they use a real legal firm for their ARG unless they were planning on people having the ability to call it. Did you actually call the number yet? Not the number provided (BTW, can the person who gave you that number be trusted?), but the actual number of the law firm? No? Why not?

The new wave is coming people. It's no longer going to have "only in game areas". It's going to be dynamic and if you find an address, you can be sure it's going to be a real location and RESPOND AS SUCH.

So, as for the poker game you are playing MageSteff, you win. But only because I was never playing. Well, at least the way you consider it playing.

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 		Re: Theoritical Contact
Anonymous wrote:

Consider this. Why would they use a real legal firm for their ARG unless they were planning on people having the ability to call it. Did you actually call the number yet? Not the number provided (BTW, can the person who gave you that number be trusted?), but the actual number of the law firm? No? Why not?


But you are assuming it is a real law firm. It isn't. The name comes from Marvel Comics. Yes, the address was double checked against the two sources which contained it. I had it correct.

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... I was never playing.Well, at least the way you consider it playing.


But aren't you the one who said we should be looking outside the box? I know you aren't playing the same game, I'm just trying to discover the rules. If you think we are not doing everything we can, how can you expect more from us if you haven't done any of these things yourself? Seems a bit hypocritical to me. If you have done more, then in the interest for furthering the game for all of us, what have you discovered?
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