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xxxblindxxx wrote:
Aerokinetic wrote:
Something just occured to me: Ockham's Razor.

What if Alex really just forgot he had the camera? He's been gone a while, it's not unlikely that some stuff would get lost in whatever place he moved to.

And as the past has shown us, in Marble Hornets, the simplest solution is often the right one.

Hmm... or MAYBE that is the camera that Alex uses for the TTA videos. (Assuming they're one and the same, of course)


its simple but doesnt make sense, Ockham's razor would probably be, TTA/masky, planting the camera with the tape. its simple and works


I actually agree with Aero on this one, though at first I thought the tape just HAD to be planted. The logistics of TTA taking off into the blue yonder with a tape and camera, sneaking into Alex's place and leaving them somewhere where his lady friend would find them... is actually a lot more complex than Alex simply having a case of the forgettin'. (Especially given that his memory at the time he took off was glitchy at best.)

I mean, TTA planting the tape might still make sense from a narrative point of view, but it don't have Occam's Razor on its side.

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I just like to keep all possibilities open, discounting anything would be a foolish idea. I merely rank theories in order of which have the most evidence supporting their validity.

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I am a firm supporter of Occam's Razor. I agree with Aero and JKat. I mean, when he turns around and finds his GF with the camera: he stops doing whatever it was he was doing, stops chewing his gum, and talks in his Nervous But Manly "I don't like this at all" voice. For me, that looks like genuine surprise.

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AKLY wrote:
I am a firm supporter of Occam's Razor. I agree with Aero and JKat. I mean, when he turns around and finds his GF with the camera: he stops doing whatever it was he was doing, stops chewing his gum, and talks in his Nervous But Manly "I don't like this at all" voice. For me, that looks like genuine surprise.

But still, we can't discount the planting theory, though I do not personally support it. It has some merit, but I just don't see much evidence behind it.

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The main reason for the planting theory is that Alex has been gone for about three years minding his own business. If he really left his camera in the closet, it probably would have either come up by now or else be hidden extremely well in there. Basically, why hasnt it come up until now? Especially considering he says that he moved recently. When you move, everything that makes it into your house is packed in a box, that either you or someone helping you packs. Nothing could really "accidentally" make it over.
NEW THEORY: The camera was planted during the move, since that would be the easiest to sneak something into the house. If the move was recent, it totally explains why the camera didn't come up until now. And honestly it looks recent, the house is way too clean.

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I was a supporter of the it-was-planted theory until someone earlier in this thread (sorry, I don't remember who) pointed out that if we take the footage at the beginning as proof that it was planted then how did Amy not recognize it as taking place in her own home when she watched the tape? I find it hard to believe that she would watch that footage and not think to herself, "Huh, this looks like my kitchen and it apparently took place two minutes ago. That's odd."

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also the fact that his memory should be well enough to know he has a camera with him for 3 years since then. alex didnt care about the tape. he was more concerned about the camera itself being there. theres no evidence showing that SM or masky can manipulate specific memories on certain objects.

that was her in the kitchen >_< and she probably didnt watch the entire thing. otherwise she would of seen more then just fuzzy stuff or whatever she said.

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TechnoViking wrote:
I was a supporter of the it-was-planted theory until someone earlier in this thread (sorry, I don't remember who) pointed out that if we take the footage at the beginning as proof that it was planted then how did Amy not recognize it as taking place in her own home when she watched the tape? I find it hard to believe that she would watch that footage and not think to herself, "Huh, this looks like my kitchen and it apparently took place two minutes ago. That's odd."


To be fair, it could just as easily have been planted without the kitchen footage, just the TTA footage. Then then she found the camera, watched part of the other video, stopped it because she thougnt "this is messed up" and started taping over it while playing with the camera in the kitchen. Why would TTA want to fiddle around with the camera in their kitchen before planting it?

I don't believe it was planted, but I don't feel like that particular argument works, myself.

I find it o_0 that she didn't rewind the tape before recording instead of stopping it in the middle of the "messed up" footage and recording from wherever it stopped. Most people would rewind the tape and record over the whole thing (or I would, anyway). Plot necessity, I guess.

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I have to agree with the folks who say "it had to be planted, you don't just forget a camera in the closet for three years". If for no other reason than the battery would have been dead had it gone without charge for so long.

But, really. This is the only set of circumstances I can imagine taking place to support the "it was in the closet all along" theory:

- Alex moved fairly long ago, before he met Amy, and stuffed the camera away to forget about it (rather than sell it)
- Amy somehow missed the camera throughout day-to-day operations in the home, until just a couple weeks before J was going to move again

Not impossible, no, but a fair stretch of the odds.

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If for no other reason than the battery would have been dead had it gone without charge for so long.


That's actually the best argument I've heard in favor of a plant, actually. Good point.

Then again, it's also possible that she found the camera with a dead battery, gave the battery a partial charge, then went in recording. Why not just go in and show him the actual camera? Maybe going in recording was more 'dramatic' to her. "HEY LOOK YOU SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A CAMERA WELL NOW I'M RECORDING YOU WITH ONE I FOUND IN OUR CLOSET SO HA."

...Yeah alright that one's a long stretch. Maybe, though, she did charge up the battery just to watch the tape, saw it was messed up, then went in recording because there was battery life left and YAY CAMERA.

Or: do they make camcorders that run off of disposable batteries as opposed to rechargable ones? I don't have a camcorder so I don't know anything about the types available. If so, maybe she just put in new batteries.

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TechnoViking wrote:
I was a supporter of the it-was-planted theory until someone earlier in this thread (sorry, I don't remember who) pointed out that if we take the footage at the beginning as proof that it was planted then how did Amy not recognize it as taking place in her own home when she watched the tape? I find it hard to believe that she would watch that footage and not think to herself, "Huh, this looks like my kitchen and it apparently took place two minutes ago. That's odd."


She could have assumed Alex filmed it adding to her "I thought we dont hav a camera" lines.
Duh Wink

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celticsfan87 wrote:
Dray: I know Alex has something on the wall saying "Kills Me" in entry 11 I think it is. But my theory about how "Helps Me" would fit in is that Alex didn't know much about Slenderman at the time, so he assumed he was evil. Then Slendy did something to help him, so he started writing "Helps Me". Another explanation is that Alex had a nightmare where Slenderman killed him, and based it on that.


Either that, or the Skully mask could have something to do with it. Looks like we were seeing that through a peep hole, perhaps Skully helps him? I find it hard to believe that Slendy is more likely to be helpful!

TheAtroxious wrote:
Another theory I read was that it was Morse code, but I have no idea where to even begin with that, and I'm not sure if anyone's looked any further into it. I'm pretty terrible with audio myself, but I am curious to know about this.


As far as I know, the only one who's tried to dig deeper on the morse code has been TheRogueWolf, and he wasn't able to find any messages... but he also admitted that he was having a hard time deciphering all of the clicks! I must be partially deaf, because I don't hear any clicking. Maybe give it another go?

kk wrote:
The focus on the camera is also wack and notably fuzzy - which may imply as far as editing goes a moment of confusion. Also, there's no entrance to the house on-camera, door or window. My theory is that either TTA/Masky or (unlikely but who knows) Slenderman pulled a teleportation gig to plant the camera in the house without even coming in a door, because we also get a transition in filming style as soon as Blondie picks it up. It's jerky and amateur, not slow and blurry.


Welp, we know that Brian's house has a closet that Masky seemed to live in, and to dump Jay into as well. Amy found that camera in her closet. Maybe Masky hopped closets to plant the evidence and then hopped back?

Aerokinetic wrote:
I'm just a little confused about how Alex would be able to get Tim to do all this for him (possible arson, assault, trespassing, etc.). I suppose that's the flaw in the theory. But then again, what would Tim's motivation in being TTA be?


If Masky's weird enough to break in and creep on Jay in his sleep, as well as upload threatening videos to his account, it could just be that he's crazy. Hanging around Slendy for that long'll probably fry the old brain circuits!

JKatkina wrote:
I actually agree with Aero on this one, though at first I thought the tape just HAD to be planted. The logistics of TTA taking off into the blue yonder with a tape and camera, sneaking into Alex's place and leaving them somewhere where his lady friend would find them... is actually a lot more complex than Alex simply having a case of the forgettin'. (Especially given that his memory at the time he took off was glitchy at best.)


This makes sense, but then how is it that a garbled message comes to Jay about four afters after the attack, marking a date two weeks into the future instead of asking for help specifically, and in a tone that reeks of TTA?

Just because Alex is startled by the camera showing up doesn't mean that the camera wasn't planted!

celticsfan87 wrote:
The main reason for the planting theory is that Alex has been gone for about three years minding his own business. If he really left his camera in the closet, it probably would have either come up by now or else be hidden extremely well in there. Basically, why hasnt it come up until now? Especially considering he says that he moved recently. When you move, everything that makes it into your house is packed in a box, that either you or someone helping you packs. Nothing could really "accidentally" make it over.


Sometimes, when people move relatively often, they just don't unpack everything and the box of random odds and ends that isn't important winds up in a closet or storage place without ever being opened. Amy could have been rummaging through one of those... though again, that doesn't necessarily discount the camera being planted!

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Aerokinetic wrote:

It could be that if Alex thought he got rid of all the tapes and the camera, but really just forgot he had it. It covers more of the facts than someone planting it. I'm definitely not counting the plant idea out, but I'm just saying that we can't rule the simple out just because it's simple.


We can rule the simple out because it's not plausible. Wanting to burn the tapes, but "forgetting" he had a mean piece of a tape like that on him? Possible and probable, if he didn't take all this seriously - which we were inclined to believe at the beginning of the series, perhaps, when things were only creepy. But after they got violent? Possibly costing Seth his life?

Speaking of which, I do believe the MH makers shot themselves in the foot with the introductory video. Right now, it makes very little sense that Alex gave the tapes away, unless he genuinely hated J Wink

Unless, of course, one of two things happened: Either Alex believed at that time that he can pass on Slendy's attention to J (dick move, but understandable), or he is some sort of evil mastermind Xanatos-roulette'ing his way through there from the very start.

In the former case, he wouldn't keep the camera. In the latter, well, he was attacked by SM again, so that's hardly plausible. Then again, who knows. I'd prefer not to think of the Slender Man as in coallition with (or, worse yet, servitude of) Alex, though.

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Sylvine wrote:

We can rule the simple out because it's not plausible. Wanting to burn the tapes, but "forgetting" he had a mean piece of a tape like that on him? Possible and probable, if he didn't take all this seriously - which we were inclined to believe at the beginning of the series, perhaps, when things were only creepy. But after they got violent? Possibly costing Seth his life?

Speaking of which, I do believe the MH makers shot themselves in the foot with the introductory video. Right now, it makes very little sense that Alex gave the tapes away, unless he genuinely hated J Wink

Unless, of course, one of two things happened: Either Alex believed at that time that he can pass on Slendy's attention to J (dick move, but understandable), or he is some sort of evil mastermind Xanatos-roulette'ing his way through there from the very start.

In the former case, he wouldn't keep the camera. In the latter, well, he was attacked by SM again, so that's hardly plausible. Then again, who knows. I'd prefer not to think of the Slender Man as in coallition with (or, worse yet, servitude of) Alex, though.

~Sylv

Except for the memory loss that comes from being exposed to Slender Man.

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Something about him was worse than I'd originally thought. He had lost a good bit of weight, and looked pretty sickly. I pretended like I didn't notice and we just hung out for awhile. Right before I left, I asked him about Marble Hornets and what he was planning on doing with all of his tapes of raw footage. With almost no hesitation, he simply said "burn them".

This caught me off guard. When I asked why he didn't just archive them for B-roll in future projects, he just said he never wanted to work with the footage again. He was completely serious about this. I couldn't understand why he'd just want to get rid of it completely. Surely it wasn't all that useless. So I asked if I could take a look at them.

He agreed, but only under the circumstance that I never bring them back to him, and never discuss what was on them with him. He also highly discouraged me from showing any if it to anyone else. I laughed at this, and said that he must have accidentally made The Ring or something with the way he was talking. He didn't acknowledge this and brought me up to his attic, where he was storing the pile of tapes.

There were tons of them. He grabbed a couple of plastic shopping bags and piled the tapes in and gave them to me, then shooed me out of the attic. Right as I was walking out the door, he said, in the most serious tone I've ever heard from someone, "I'm not kidding, don't ever bring this up around me again."


So apparently Jay was insistent that he have the tapes, and Alex agreed only on the condition that the subject never be brought up again. Perhaps Alex thought that Jay would see the tapes, and realize it was serious, and drop the matter.

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Timeline

Oh man, I started making a timeline and my post exploded from there. I'm going to restrain myself and make small posts rather than one giant aimless one.

Here's a timeline of the events of the last few entries:
- March 24th at 4 PM - J witnesses his apartment burn down on the news.
- April 4th at 3:57 PM - Alex's new girlfriend Amy finds a camera in the closet.
- April 4th at 4:03 PM - Amy confronts Alex about the camera.
- April 4th at 4:04 PM - Slenderman attacks Amy and Alex.
- April 4th at 4:05 PM - Amy and Alex plan to escape through the second story window. The timestamp changes to a counter starting at 099 pm (exactly 60 seconds after the clock changed to 4:04PM).
- April 4th at 6:47 PM - Someone sends J a text message with the date he will receive the tape of Slenderman's attack.
- Between April 4th and April 18th - J changes his location. Someone tracks J to his new location. Someone alters the tape to include totheark-style footage at the beginning and end of the tape.
- April 18th - Someone drops the package off in front of J's hotel door.
- April 18th around 5PM - J discovers the tape and decides to find Alex.

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