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What is the Ark?
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xxxblindxxx
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well can we rule out other paranormal creatures in this series? maybe Masky is their own creation the way SM was for someone else? all maybes. i hope they show what side masky is on soon though. it would really help answer so many questions at once.

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Even just seeing Masky and Slendy in the same place at the same time might answer some questions. Then again, we can assume that they're together in 'Return' but that doesn't seem to make anything more clear!

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xxxblindxxx
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unfortunately that whole situation was awkward. i just want answers. and so far this last video is a good start for those.

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Why does every thing have to have a betrayal twist in it? Can't TTA be it's own entity rather than being associated with either Masky or Alex (or Tim for that matter?) Early on I thought he was someone who was fighting against Slenderman and was trying to warn Jay from getting involved.

But hey, why the hell not speculate? It's fun:
Alex was long gone [in another state I believe] and hadn't filmed anything in the area, or anywhere for that matter, for a long time. (see: 26, camera left untouched since he moved in to new house.) So really it's kind of improbable that Alex has had anything to do with marble hornets since he gave Jay the tapes. TTA must have known Alex or Jay because he somehow got a hold of 22. That leaves Brian or Tim and we know Brian is dead or at least appears to be. So there you go. Either Tim is TTA or Masky. Or both. I like Tim for Masky and TTA for Brian, because how awesome would that plot twist be?

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Edit: Just realized what this topic is actually about, so I'm going to talk about that now.

Calling something an ARK when referencing water, would lead us to believe that the ark must be somewhere safe, something that could escape the "deluge." So the Ark must be a place or thing that can escape slendy.

This was probably already mentioned, but I feel like I should say something on topic here. Also, I'm drunk posting right now and could care less.

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Mr.Beyond
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Now, I'm VERY new at this, and I haven't been able to read through the whole 26 thread yet, so forgive me if I restate some things.
And just going to go ahead and say this is all PURE speculation.
But I'm a subscriber to the theory that what brings Slendy isn't per say cameras, but te THOUGHT of him- which is why Alex wanted rid of the tapes, and asked J never to mention them again. He ASKED for the tapes to be burned- possibly, as some have said, to get rid of what it is Slendy is after, OR because looking at the tapes brings back thought and memory of Slendy.
One thing that really stood out to me was, on 19.5, the fact that Alex's drawings said "Forget what I see/sees me (at the tower)". While "At the tower" led J to the red towerthing, the first part seems more helpful to me- Alex is trying to forget that he saw Slendy. In one of the early videos we see him ripping paper, as well as the frantic scribbling that led to his drawings all over the walls. If (x) is a danger sign or a slendy-ward, to keep him away, as a few people have theorized, then maybe his repeatedly drawing it, as well as the paper ripping, is a sort of self-therapy to get rid of his memory of Slendy?
This could be why he gets rid of all his cameras, supposedly, until 26- any sort of camera would be so associated with the memory of Marble Hornets, and with it the events that transpired, that he could never forget Slendy and keep him away. After all, after J started moving around and thought less about the tapes, he started to fel better, the "slendy symptoms" decreased and he got considerably more healthy.
So the Ark... could be a manner of forgetting? a kind of permanent memory wipe? This means that TTA, or Masky, whoever it is seeking the Ark, could be a previous or even current Slendy stalkee who's trying to get rid of him by this permanent memory wipe- the Ark.
The, there's something that really bothered me. Did anyone else notice- I may have misheard- that in the video where Alex and Seth explore the slendybasement, when Alex announces to the camera that Seth is gone, J's name is also among those that he lists as gone? I swore I heard this- if someone could rewatch it and either confirm or deny this for me, I'd appreciate it. (I use school internet the majority of the time, and Youtube is blocked....) But IF, and only IF he said J was "gone", then what is J doing here, roaming around freely? Could it be J has, in the past, already reached the "ark" and wiped his memory of Slendy, cleanring him of being stalked?
The only problem with this theory is that it totally counts out the Alex=TTA theory, because how could Alex be operating as TTA while he's doing his damndest never to see any of the tapes ever again? And I'm really not a fan of masky=TTA, since I feel like their objectives are opposite, but it eems to fit in this theory....
COurse, I'm very very new to MH and ARG's in general, so all I can do at this time is aimlessly speculate.

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Why does everyone think TTA and Masky are two different people? Unless there is some evidence against that they are separate, there seems to be plenty of evidence that they are the same person.

In "Messages", TTA reminds Jay that he's been keeping a secret from the audience- the fact that he's been filming himself. This leads Jay to check his home videos, showing Masky was in his house (Entry #19), and TTA would only have known about the home cameras if he'd been in Jay's house. At the very least, they are working together and Masky told TTA about the home camera after breaking in, but this leads me to believe they are the same.

TTA also has plenty of footage on his Youtube Channel that only Masky could have gotten. Masky seemingly knocks Jay out in Entry #18, then the Return video appears, showing Jay unconscious/in a trance at the house. Also, Addition is just a video of Jay on the ground from Entry #15, but shot by someone in the living room, and we know Masky was hiding in the house when Jay went there later. And then there are Warning and Entry ###### which have Masky in them.

So yeah, I'm not telling yall anything you don't already know, I just fail to see how they're different.

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Oh and I forgot, Jay suspects they are the same person as well (Entry #19).

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Mr.Beyond
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I can see Masky in CAHOOTS with TTA, but not the same individual... I'm almost positive that Tim is Masky. And TTA's vids only started appearing after Tim's interview.... isn't it possible that his messages were as much to Tim as they were to J? Before 26 I was a supporter of Alex=TTA, though now I'm thinking maybe Brian.... (This is all speculation now.) Either way, TTA was following J's youtube account, assuming he was the last "survivor" of the Slendy stalking, and then when the Tim interview happened, TTA found out Tim was still alive. He posts a TTA video- not only to warn J, but also to let Tim know someone else who knew was out there. The two started working together.
Besides that (and this is a dumb observation, but bear with me) Masky doesn't exactly have access to a computer... Unless he has a wifi hotspot in that closet of his, he doesn't really have access to Youtube... That's why I count #### as a Masky video, since it makes sense that he posted it off of J's computer and account, not having one of his own. TTA might have hacked J to prove a point or really drive his message home, but it would be much easier for Masky to just calmly use J's computer while he was in his house.

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Dray
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Masky doesn't have to have been living in the house the entire time. Looked as though it hadn't changed a whole heck of a lot from when Alex was living in there three years ago. Looked a bit like Masky had been cleaning or rooting around between #16 and #18. If Masky was Tim, he most likely lived nearby (the house was Brian's after all, and he said he lived near to Brian,) so he could have been uploading videos from there.

Not buying that Brian is TTA at the moment. People have already lodged good evidence that Masky = TTA, and having them work separately seems a little too cumbersome to be true at the moment. To have the information that they did would mean some serious coordination. Seems like it'd make more sense if there was one person in the know who was behind the mask AND the videos. Lends them more of a psychotic chess master vibe than a nefarious artfag duo... (please pardon the crassness!) As much as it's still possible, it just doesn't seem like the best answer!

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I don't mind being disagreed with at all Smile Actually, so long as it remains a DEBATE and not a FIGHT, I love hearing opposing arguments.
I do think you're right about how cumbersome and hard it would be to coordinate the way they'd have to if it was a duo....
If Tim IS Masky like I think he is, then that whole interview session was pretty sick, especially if TTA is Masky.
I WAS a subsciber to the TTA is Alex school for a while, which is the main reason I was so anti TTA-is Masky. 26 and exit have pretty much debunked that for me, though...
Rather than them being a artfag duo, I was imagining TTA is the real "brains" of the operation. Playing puppet master, with Masky acting as his eyes and hands as he puppeteers from a distance.... depending on whether Masky can "warp" or not, it may not be hard for him to act as a go-between from TTA to Jay.
However, I hope I'm not sounding as adamant and stubborn as, for example, the people in the "there are 2 maskies because of this miniscule difference in masks from one shot to the next" school... I'm really a speculator more than anything. I'm aware I have no real proof that TTA and Masky are anything but the same ^^. It's just a theory I'm entertaining, one that I think could b a possibility.

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Yeah, "Exit" torpedoes the Alex=TTA theory even better than Entry 26 does. Though if Timasky is TTA, it raises the question of what Tim was doing there with a camera three years ago.

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Blah, but then there is the part of... what is it, #13? Where Alex's tape cuts out between when Jay runs off for something and he begins exploring the space, and there's some of the heightened contrast in the blacks afterwards that are strongly present in 'Exit'.

It could swing either freaking way. What the hell, how do they manage to keep things so ambiguous without also completely dropping the ball?

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Sylocat wrote:
Yeah, "Exit" torpedoes the Alex=TTA theory even better than Entry 26 does. Though if Timasky is TTA, it raises the question of what Tim was doing there with a camera three years ago.


Personally, I think the person filming Jay in Exit was actually Alex. I think he was paranoid enough at that point, whenever it was, for him to want to check up on what his friends were doing when he wasn't there. I think somehow TTA/Tim got ahold of that footage and was dangling it in front of Jay to taunt him with the fact that his friend was watching him.

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D: yeah, I've noticed that every video that I THINK totally disproves a theory could ALSO completely prove that theory.
I was certain Exit had to mean Alex =/= TTA, but at the same time it could COMPLETELY prove Alex does indeed equal TTA. The same way the camera in 26 COULD have been Alex's camera for filming TTA videos (the footage at the beginning certainly seemed like a soon-to-be cryptic vid) just the same as it could completely prove he wasn't TTA by proving that he'd never had a camera.
After re-watching some of the videos, though, I'm starting to believe Masky and TTA are the same. >.<
Also, that's a good point from Jkat. Just because Alex may have filmed it doesn't mean he's the one that posted it. It could indeed be his footage without proving that he's TTA.

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