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dawndilion
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Two new blog posts from Vanessa. One mentions Sunday's marathon. The other has me ... confused.

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I've been told by Jason [Father! but now we're at work we must go by our work names] to put this up as well.
This is our new logo. I like it - something about the colours. Anyhow, more work.


Jason? Her father is Jean-Pierre.

She also posted the ministry's new logo. I can't run it through anything, as I'm not on my own computer.

Edit: Since I'm off the rest of the day, I've been contacting Claire and Vanessa. V posted a new tweet:

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Weekend!Excellent-I don't have to work now until Sunday evening[don't ask!] The Herald's made an auto response too so newcomers welcome!#arg


I also sent her a DM on Twitter, asking how she's been. Got this:

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I love the ministry - ever since that creep Vladimir has gone I'm settled. Jason [Father] looks after me now, we're one happy ship!

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dawndilion wrote:


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Weekend!Excellent-I don't have to work now until Sunday evening[don't ask!] The Herald's made an auto response too so newcomers welcome!#arg


I resent my email to georgeSPLATbritain.com and got nothing, so I'm assuming this isn't the one.
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I tried jasonSPLATbritain.com. "Jason" being the name Vanessa keeps using for her father. It bounced back.

Been talking to Claire a bit.

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Dawn April 23 at 3:06pm Wow, so how have you been? Sounds like things are looking up for you! Smile Something really, really random happened the other day. I got a message on Twitter from Vanessa. So weird. Hadn't heard from her in....forever, it seems. Do you ever have any contact from her? It was just so out of the blue, I guess. IDK.

<resume> .

Claire Hoskyns April 23 at 3:46pm No i haven't heard from her. Good job really. I'm staying away from her and maybe you should too. Just don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else... What did she say? I'm ok anyways. As i said i moved back in with mum and dad. Started feeling a bit jumpy on my own. Am not working at the moment either but that's all that's changed really. How about you?



I updated the wiki to add Claire. Sounds like she's pretty much through with Vanessa now and hasn't had any contact with her.
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I figured I'd try something a little brainer so I went for: PheidippidesSPLATbritain.com


Hes the guy who ran (supposedly) from the battle of marathon to athens to tell of the victory - and the marathon race is named after him. But no response.
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myfirstSPLATbritain.com

It's a working address, but that's all I can verify as of yet. Haven't gotten a response.

(I don't know if the PMs are as literal as myself, since I didn't play before, but it hasn't been tried AFAIK.)

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Hey, I'm new to all of this (forum, game and ARG in general) but was wondering if maybe she means Shakespeare's first sonnet?

From fairest creatures we desire increase,
That thereby beauty's rose might never die,
But as the riper should by time decease,
His tender heir might bear his memory:
But thou, contracted to thine own bright eyes,
Feed'st thy light'st flame with self-substantial fuel,
Making a famine where abundance lies,
Thyself thy foe, to thy sweet self too cruel.
Thou that art now the world's fresh ornament
And only herald to the gaudy spring,
Within thine own bud buriest thy content
And, tender churl, makest waste in niggarding.
Pity the world, or else this glutton be,
To eat the world's due, by the grave and thee.

Just thought Shakespeare, heir, herald. Am probably way off.


Oh and the queen's birthday is 21st April 1926

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I'm having a Facebook conversation with Claire right now. She's pretty chatty...I'm trying to play it like we're just friends connecting, & approaching inquiries about the events of the last game only obliquely (since she kinda doesn't want to talk about it). One thing is clear, though: she still cares about V, but is confused & sometimes scared & has to process those events fully yet. Her mum has suggested counseling.

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dreamerblue wrote:
I'm having a Facebook conversation with Claire right now. She's pretty chatty...I'm trying to play it like we're just friends connecting, & approaching inquiries about the events of the last game only obliquely (since she kinda doesn't want to talk about it). One thing is clear, though: she still cares about V, but is confused & sometimes scared & has to process those events fully yet. Her mum has suggested counseling.


Me, too, Dreamer. I figured since we haven't cracked the email address yet, may as well chat up the two people we know we can contact! I'm getting the same info as Dreamer. Claire is torn: she misses V and is slowly asking me questions about her, but she's also frightened because some really bad stuff happened to her last time.

I also DM'd V on twitter to ask about why her dad is called "Jason" by the ministry. I got these two responses:

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AtalantaV
The list, before you ask, isn't up to the herald though. It's Carina's job [or is it Careen?] The Herald is just that, he delivers messages
about 4 hours ago
Reply Delete

AtalantaV
Jason is his ministry name, mine is my surname.When people become members they can either be assigned a name or choose one-all from the list
about 4 hours ago


I'm going to see if we can get an email address for Vanessa. I've been conversing through her via Twitter and 140 characters at a time kinda sucks.
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Sorry what seems like a stream of consciousness but was thinking back to the queen connection. There were 2 queen elizabeth's and shakespeare was under the first elizabeth's reign. Maybe she's the first?

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I had some issues with Safari and Facebook partway through the chat, but when I got reconnected via Firefox most of the chat Claire and I had had popped right back up. I think the beginning must just be missing because it was a LONG chat (almost an hour!) and there were lots of lines...maybe there's a limit to how many get displayed.

Anyway, all the important bits from the chat happened after we had friendly "hey, we're just two girls having a friendly chat" type of banter. Talking to her felt pretty realistic, though obviously once the directly-ARG-related stuff started coming out it felt more like playing the game, because, well, most of our friends don't talk about auditory and olfactory (smell) hallucinations, but if they did experience those things then I'm sure the conversation would sound more or less like the one we had.

Here's the chat...sorry for the length, but I think the important stuff isn't necessarily just all in one place. Like I said, friendly banter was how it started; don't remember exactly how V came up, but I remember responding to her with some comment like, "Yeah, I noticed you and V have parted ways. Guess that's understandable." And I changed the subject, leaving Claire the option of either responding more about V or avoiding the subject.

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8:11pm Claire

As for Vanessa erm I still care about her

like I don't want to see her get hurt

8:11pm Me

just need some space for a bit?

8:11pm Claire

yeah i think so. Or an explanation

but i guess that's not possible

I found myself reading her blog earlier

8:12pm Me

yeah, I noticed she's picked that back up again

8:13pm Claire

seems weird we both came back around the same time. I guess we're both more similar than I thought lol

8:13pm Me

hee

8:14pm Claire

Some things don't make much sense to me though

like about her father

anyways listen to be wittering on!!!

8:14pm Me

yeah, I know what you mean

8:14pm Claire

How has your day been? apart from being busy with work

8:14pm Me

didn't mean to open old wounds...but I'm here anytime you need to talk

8:15pm Claire

thanks Smile

8:15pm Me

I didn't get home too long ago...stayed after school to help some students, and then help some colleagues. I like doing that when I can.

hubby made me steak tonight, too, which is awesome Smile

8:17pm Claire

I keep trying to work out whether I want to risk being drawn back into the whole thing. I mean obvioulsy I'm curious, i'm human after all, but also terrified

Wow my mum dad and brother had steak tonight too!!

8:17pm Me

Maybe you should write out what you remember of what happened last time...get it off your chest, so to speak.

8:17pm Claire

lots of coincidences [emphasis mine...I think this is important]

8:18pm Me

no steak for you?

8:18pm Claire

erm no i've had some sickness bug thing i think

8:18pm Me

oh, that sucks Sad. when did that start?

8:19pm Claire

yesterday evening [is her getting sick yesterday evening significant?]

hopefully it's just a 24/48hr thing

how was your steak?

8:20pm Me

it was a bit of an adventure...hubby first followed the package directions (5 minutes each side on the BBQ) and it was RED when we cut it open...then we ran out of propane, so he stuffed it in the oven lol

with all the coincidences, I hope I don't end up with a stomach bug from this!

8:21pm Claire

as for writing it down I have tried. Some days I feel like I can't remember back to working at BT with V. [emphasis mine]

8:22pm Claire

now that is a mad coincidence!!! Mum cooked the steaks in a griddle pan but when they cut them open the steaks were still raw in the middle so mum put them in the oven :s [emphasis mine]

8:22pm Me

wow. do you think part of you is trying to block it out? [ok, I said that, but she responded below that that might be the case]

O_o...wow!

8:23pm Claire

I hope you don't get a bug too!!

8:23pm Me

well, as long as you didn't get the bug from eating steak, maybe I'll be OK...I hope so!

8:23pm Claire

Maybe. Mum wants me to get some counselling but i'm not sure

8:25pm Claire

and it definitely wasn't from the steak lol! More than likely from my god daughter who after giving me lots of kisses and sharing my icecream told me she had been sick at school that day

she's only 6 though so i'll let her off. [Claire mentions kids in her auditory hallucination below...is the goddaughter part of this, or other kids?]

8:25pm Me

How nice of her to want to share Smile

8:27pm Me

Out of curiosity, do you use any other kind of chat platform besides Facebook? Some of the other people in the old gang might be interested in what you're up to, too, but not all of them love FB, heh Smile. Maybe together we can be of more help to you.

8:28pm Claire

who do you teach? what age?

bless her she's a sweetie

8:30pm Claire

erm i use msn sometimes but tend to use fb more as it's easy to use on my mobile

8:30pm Me

I teach high school math and science (my background is chemistry and physics). Some people don't like working with teenagers, but I think they're much more interesting than little kids

8:30pm Claire

I also have my e-mail address. what platforms were you thinking of?

8:31pm Me

I use Windows Live messenger for Mac some. I'm OK with Facebook, but can I tell the old gang they can add you on MSN if they need to?

8:31pm Claire

wow so you're a brain box then!! I always wanted to teach secondary as well. I like people who can argue back

8:31pm Me

*exactly*!

Little kids hug you and love you because you're an adult...but if a high school kid tells you you're a good teacher, they mean it (even if they're wrong Smile)

and you can have much more interesting conversations with them

8:33pm Me

I don't like it when they argue back to be defiant, but yeah, it's cool that they are forming their own opinions (even if their critical thinking skills are still in need of a little work)

8:35pm Claire

[note this is in response to the mention of MSN above] yeah that's fine as long as it's just a few. I'm not sure i'd want V to have it. well just yet anyway. As I say i'm not always on it but if anyone needs to get hold of me they can e-mail me

8:35pm Me

gah, my Facebook just crashed or something...if you are still there, I can't "hear" you Sad

8:37pm Me

phew, ok, just went to Firefox instead of Safari. all ok now it seems.

you're a nighthawk these days, eh Smile?

8:38pm Claire

I have difficulty sleeping

8:39pm Me

has that been ever since, uh, you know?

or did it start more recently?

I don't want to pry Sad...just trying to understand what you're going through.

8:41pm Claire

yeah pretty much. Every time I close my eyes I feel like I'm blindfolded again

8:42pm Me

ugh.

8:43pm Claire

and i can hear things, like the sound of kids playing but I can't remember what children they are

or indeed where they are


8:43pm Me

wow. trippy.

have you tried, I dunno, trying to focus on their voices, see if you can make them clearer? sounds crazy but who knows.

8:44pm Claire

it's very weird. that's why my sleeping tends to be medicated now

there's too many of them

it's not like 2 or three but 20 or 30


8:45pm Me

hmm. interesting.

(ok, that totally sounded shrink-like, sorry Smile)

8:45pm Claire

and it's not nearby, it's in the distance

and yeah you did sound a little shrink like hee hee

are you sure you don't mind me bending your ear like this?

8:46pm Me

no, girl! don't forget, I like helping people Smile

do they sound happy?

8:48pm Me

(besides, hubby is playing his computer game...this is my relaxation time!)

[in other words, if he's gaming, I might as well, too, lol Smile]

8:49pm Claire

you're relaxation time and you want to listen to me! You must really like helping people [wrong "your"...ugh Smile]

8:49pm Me

I'm just chatting with my friend, and I'm worried about her.

8:49pm Claire

Smile

8:50pm Me

I wish I could just wave a wand and help you sleep...but maybe your brain or something or someone is trying to tell you something.

8:50pm Claire

the children sound happy

i think

chatty, giggly


8:50pm Me

do you hear anything else?

8:51pm Claire

cars i think

maybe footsteps

i'm not really sure

and the smell


8:52pm Me

smell?

8:52pm Claire

I can smell it even now

8:52pm Me

a nice smell? or like a burny smell?

8:52pm Claire

like a birdcage

a very dirty one

and damp, musty, dirty


that sounds insane huh

8:53pm Me

that seems odd, yeah

damp, musty, dirty...like a cave?

8:53pm Claire

like i'm in a dirty birdcage listening to kids lol

8:54pm Me

and the voices and smell started at the same time as you started having trouble sleeping?

8:54pm Claire

I don't think it was a cave, there wasn't any breeze, although it was cold

8:55pm Me

did you smell that smell during your "stay" with V's father, too?

8:55pm Claire

yeah. it's why i can't sleep.

I think so but i can't be sure

8:57pm Claire

everything is a blur from that. but everytime i close my eyes I feel like i can't open my eyes, and I can hear the children and smell that smell

8:58pm Me

well, then, your solution is simple

8:58pm Claire

the only time i've ever slept since it happened i've taken sleeping pills

8:58pm Me

you need to sleep with your eyes open Wink

just trying for a laugh, sorry. I can't imagine what these months have been like for you Sad

8:59pm Claire

hee hee

i have a friend who does that and it's creepy as hell

so how do you interpret that then. Do you think that's where i was held?

9:01pm Me

hard to say. either that, or...I wonder if it's a vision of some sort.

I wonder if V saw you after your release...if she might have some idea. Do you want me to ask her about it?


9:02pm Claire

yeah if you don't mind

but don't say I was asking about it, just that I'd told you what i remembered


9:04pm Me

Ok, so maybe just something like, "Hey, V, just thinking about all that happened those months ago...just wondering, where did you end up picking up Claire? Or have you even seen her since your dad kidnapped her?"

Leaves my talking to you totally out of it.

9:05pm Claire

yeah that's great.

Thanks for tonight but my sleepers are starting to work now and kind of want to take advantage of that

9:05pm Me

Ok, I'll try to get a message to her. She doesn't use FB anymore, but I'll try to find another way to contact her. She has asked us to suggest how we can contact her.

Ok, get some rest now that you can. hugs

9:06pm Claire

thanks for being a good listener and friend

if i remember anything else i'll let you know.

9:06pm Me

I just wish I had more answers for you Sad. but maybe with time.

9:06pm Claire

hope you have a good night

xxx

thanks xxx


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Darkest_harness wrote:
Sorry what seems like a stream of consciousness but was thinking back to the queen connection. There were 2 queen elizabeth's and shakespeare was under the first elizabeth's reign. Maybe she's the first?


You can always try to email elizabeth at britain.com, lol.

I don't know. Here's some stream of consciousness.
"use my first. signed, the herald".
Use my first WHAT?
First name? Well, we don't know that yet.
If it's not a first name, what "first" would it be? It says "my first". I can't fathom what it could be other than a first name. So I tried theSPLATbritain.com. It hasn't bounced back yet, but we'll see. LOL.

We do know that The Herald isn't Vanessa, her father, or Carina (Careen?). It's also not likely Claire, since she's not in the Ministry.
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Jason is his ministry name, mine is my surname.When people become members they can either be assigned a name or choose one-all from the list


Remember that Vladimir referred to JPW and the Ministry of Argon as "Jason and his Argonauts" or some such thing at one point--playing on "Argon" to tie into Greek mythology.

Edit: as per my convo w/Claire, I've sent V a couple @s on Twitter to see if she can shed some light on where Claire was being held. I'm honestly not all that hopeful that she'll know anything, but asking is the natural thing to do.

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Just so we can be clear the definition of herald:
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"herˇald (hrld)
n.
1. A person who carries or proclaims important news; a messenger.
2. One that gives a sign or indication of something to come; a harbinger: The crocus is a herald of spring.
3. An official whose specialty is heraldry.
4.
a. An official formerly charged with making royal proclamations and bearing messages of state between sovereigns.
b. An official who formerly made proclamations and conveyed challenges at a tournament.
tr.v. herˇaldˇed, herˇaldˇing, herˇalds
To proclaim; announce: cheers that heralded the team's arrival.
[Middle English, from Anglo-Norman, of Germanic origin; see koro- in Indo-European roots.]"


V refers to the herald as the messenger. Which would tie in with Pheidippedes - he being the messenger that took word to Athens from the battle of Marathon. But PheidippedesSPLATbritain.com doesn't want to work.
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We have a massive clue to the Herald's first, but one that opens a whole new can of worms. A websearch for Carina, Jason and Atlanta gives a (non functioning - at least for me) link to a website about Constelation Carina, which links to the story of the Argonauts. Both Jason and Atlanta were crew members. Vanessa says names are chosen from a list - could it be the crew list of the Argo? And if so, who counts as Herald?

Also, with regards to the heraldic shield, the image is adapted from one already existing - but more importantly the owl image links directly to Athena. (and it's Latin name is bubo bubo). Athens was one of the original destinations of the Marathon. Don't see how any of this helps yet, but it may later.

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Dagada you beautiful person!

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Aethalides (Αἰθαλίδης) son of Hermes & Eupolemeia; herald of Argos


see here! http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/argocrew.html

Maybe try aethalidesSPLATbritain.com.

Edit: Damn, no response - thought we were onto a winner there.
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