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dawndilion
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Edit: also, what now confuses me most about the password is what lead to follow, or whether they are all important. We have the picture (rotating snakes illusion), we have a message telling us the Numbers are important, and we have this hint that it's a last name. Are all of these ideas about the password? Maybe the Numbers thing is related to something else instead?


Yeah, it seems like, again, we're swamped with information and no knowledge of how/if/when these things will be important.

Telos: Yup, since Poeas is VS's granddaughter, I figured Sirin would cover both of them. I guess the wording of the surname thing made me think it would be the surname of someone older and more established in the Ministry, I guess. Wonder what our buddy A.'s real name is?
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 		I just found out that Turing Snakes exist, but I don't have the file here at work. We know that Alan Turing was involved in the development of the machine. Has anyone tried Turing yet?

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dreamerblue wrote:
I just found out that Turing Snakes exist, but I don't have the file here at work. We know that Alan Turing was involved in the development of the machine. Has anyone tried Turing yet?


I've tried Turing, no luck.
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 		Were any of the Argonauts involved with snakes? Whether they had an affinity for them, or were killed/attacked by them.
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 		Mr. Green This latest from Aethalides made my head spin tho feel she's offering another PW hint.
Aethalides wrote:
Red tape just making me head spin - you know how it is I can imagine.
Still - at least I just do typing and filing, reading the reports on some of our researchers - shudder - poor monkeys!

Right - no more email for a whole day now - V has put a lock down on all ministry service and is using Orpheus to check on all of us, in an attempt to find out who is loyal and not, so will be radio silence as it were for next 24 hours.
Hope all the recruits are ok.
A


Could be a red herring, "poor monkeys" yet as an Anthro am familiar with some primate researchers' surnames. Can't start whacking them into the PW box until much later so G'Luck to anyone who can. Also, from the Atalanta Doc.:

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Agents in field: Jason, Orpheus

'Uncle' to remain ill via agent in field. Encouraged to help 'Uncle'.

Wondering if "Orpheus" was not the MOD (MOA) home nurse living with Uncle Johan and curious about her surname too.
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Telos954 wrote:
Were any of the Argonauts involved with snakes? Whether they had an affinity for them, or were killed/attacked by them.


The one picture on MoA Ning is titled "Jason and the Snakes", yet I haven't found any mythology about Jason and snakes. Dragons, yes. Snakes, no. Not finding anything else.
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 		The Serpent in that picture is "The Drakon Kholkikos" - I refer you to my other post:

distilled wrote:
That sounds ominous. Perhaps pseudo-V is getting a little bit scary up in MoA headquarters.

I'm currently looking into how snakes can be linked to the story of the Argonauts - perhaps this is the connection we need to make to solve the password puzzle. I'll edit this post if I find anything.


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http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/argonauts.html wrote:
Aeëtes told Jason that Golden Fleece was nailed to a tree, within a sacred grove of the Ares, but the never-sleeping dragon or serpent guarded the Golden Fleece. The adventure ended with Jason killing the dragon and taking the Golden Fleece.

From there, Pindar briefly says that Medea had fled from her father's kingdom with Jason, and she had caused the death of Pelias, upon Jason's return to Iolcus.


Looking into the Greek name of this dragon.

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http://www.theoi.com/Ther/DrakonKholkikos.html wrote:
THE DRAKON KHOLKIKOS (or Colchian Dragon) was an ever-wakeful, giant serpent which guarded the golden fleece in the sacred grove of Ares at Kolkhis. When Jason and the Argonauts came to fetch the fleece, the beast was either slain by the hero or put to sleep by the witch Medea. In one version of the story, preserved only in vase painting (image right), Jason was first devoured and disgorged by the dragon.

The teeth of the dragon were harvested by King Aeetes for their magical property. One of the labours he assigned Jason was the sowing of these teeth in a field using a plough drawn by fire-breathing bulls. When they were planted, a tribe of warlike men (Spartoi) sprang fully grown from the earth. The teeth of the closely related Ismenian Drakon of Thebes, sown by Kadmos, produced a similar crop of men.


I don't have access to the file atm, can someone try Colchian Dragon and The Drakon Kholkikos (+variations, ie Kholkikos, Colchian and capitals etc)?

That page also includes the image that V put up on the ning of Jason being consumed by the dragon. So it appears Kholkikos is the dragon which ate and then threw up Jason.

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 		My bad. Dunno how I missed that.
Though, none of them work.
bleh.

Do we have someone - besides claire - who has direct contact with H/Poeas?
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 		Informed Claire about a huge period of time she had....well, completely blocked out. Clearest if I post both our mails below:

I wrote:
Best morning wishes Claire,

I suspect that the MOA has messed with your memories on a deeper level than you realize. Now that you're considering meeting Vanessa again after such a hiatus I feel obliged to mention this and am sorry if it upsets you. Last year you told us you attended when: "Vanessa's family used to have a magic show on New Year's every year, and Vanessa's mom would give out presents.".

Hon, Vanessa's mother died 10 years ago which means you have known her longer than the 6 years you recently mentioned. Sorry. You may also not remember this from when you were a "young girl" at V's uncle's house: "(Johan) said we shouldn't go up there (the attic). heck - we weren't gonna - we were young girls and spiders lived up there!".

I have a bit of an elephant's memory especially where the welfare of my friends is concerned. Am not sure that meeting V is definitely a bad idea yet I suspect a cabal within MOA have clouded her mind and yours should be crystal clear at any meeting.

Since emphirical facts are scarce atm please listen to your instincts and know that your are major in my thoughts....Am


Claire Hoskyns wrote:
Oh my God I remember that! We were best friends when we were little. I remember being scared of johan's attic as well because we were sure it would be full of spiders! The weird thing is I also remember her first day at BT. I remember her coming in the office 6 years ago and being so shy and worried poor thing. She knew nothing about computers and as i tried to teach her the software we became best friends. How can i remember both? It's like two lives! Something happened like this before. It was before I was kidnapped and v wanted me to scan those documents. I remembered she sent them but I didn't receive them and then i was kidnapped I thought that they had been intercepted in the mail. Then talking to someone on facebook they told me that I had received the documents but every time I had gone to scan them something happened and so I was going to send them to friends from fb! The thing is I remember both of those things happening. I presumed that the Ministry had meddled with my memories somehow but now this too! That's a lot of time to change! I'm so confused!

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My bad. Dunno how I missed that.
Though, none of them work.
bleh.


Don't know that it was necessarily "missed". The story itself is ambiguous. Serpent or dragon, it says. Then the second source says the dragon *is* the serpent, which makes this a big confusing mess of mythology. In any event, none of the dragon or snake passwords anyone has used has worked, so the point seems moot.

So I guess we have to keep randomly guessing which clue is the password clue and keep having MS Word yell at us when we get the password wrong? Fabulous!
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 		Yeah the Kholkikos lead was interesting, but ultimately fruitless.

It feels like we've explored every avenue. Unless we could find out what each MoA agents surname was and then see if any correlate with a snake.
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 		Claire says she has no way to contact H any more. So. We can't get ahold of her, unless she's checking her email, but, last I sent didn't get a reply (though, this was a day or two ago).
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 		Have we tried the names of all the major tarot arcana as passwords? V's latest blog entry looks very much like she's calling herself The Tower or Death. Maybe even Strength due to the thorn link.

And has anyone interpreted the numbers and letters clue she's left?

Here's another connection; the bakery makes CUP cakes. Vanessa has been described as in her cups. It's also a tarot suit. Hmm.

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 		An idea hit me.
JPW's time wasn't so long ago that we have to think of prior ministry members..He wasn't dead until just a few days ago.

Now, this has me thinking.

The ministry asked us all for our personal information.
Some of us gave it.

What if Target 628 isn't an old target. What if it's one of us?
What if that password is one of our surnames?

(I've tried mine, to no luck. I'm encouraging you all to try yours (if you gave the information) and see if you have any luck
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Telos954 wrote:
An idea hit me.
JPW's time wasn't so long ago that we have to think of prior ministry members..He wasn't dead until just a few days ago.

Now, this has me thinking.

The ministry asked us all for our personal information.
Some of us gave it.

What if Target 628 isn't an old target. What if it's one of us?
What if that password is one of our surnames?

(I've tried mine, to no luck. I'm encouraging you all to try yours (if you gave the information) and see if you have any luck


Cool idea. If it is, it's not me Sad
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