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Hey guys, thought I'd check in. I've contacted the PM and let him know that I won't be actively participating in the game any more - I simply can't find the time!

I'll still be on and contributing, and I might find an hour or so tonight to catch up, but I've asked that no information be sent solely to me from now on as I wouldn't want you guys to miss anything!
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OK Folks....

I've uploaded photos of the CD and the writing on the cover to my facebook page - if anyone wants to download and post elsewhere feel free.

For those who can't wait, the writing says:

F+TM!
Classical
CCrows
Sting?
Mix!

On the CD is written:

Canessa's Music C.D.1

Beneath this are three musical notes, almost looking like reversed 1s.
The CD itself when viewed on the computer is titled "tickticktick".
There are a number of files on there, which I've uploaded to the following location: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=38032783e8c32cf82fb2ca15d7ea42d911a04fe0bdfadf2ca7b01fe6e4055ae3 Anyone want to move it somewhere more secure, etc, feel free. Some notes - The MUM picture, the church in the background is in Greenwhich. There's an awful lot of references to Windmills going on here - including references to Don Quixote, and we all know what happened to him.

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Following this, V has texted me asking about time. I guess she's hinting we need to get a move on.

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Vanessa Atalanta from twitter wrote:
ERROR ERROR ERROR Twitter cannot locate account.Help me.Not much time left now. Twitter cannot locate account.ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR


Indeed, checking twitter reveals "no such user". Shocked About the V files, firstly major THX to Dagada & some lil details:

6OOG.ogv is a recording of the GTS Time Signal or 6peeps which Dyson invented in 1924 and the MOA has co-opted. If your player won"t open it an exact recording and the Wiki article are HERE

Both the "Here" and "Alfred_Vail" docs when opened in Notebook contain the word JOHAN (V's uncle). Maybe in left field yet imo the "Alfred_Vail.doc" isn't binary code. After googling his Wiki Article tried a Morse code conversion with no joy.

Photoshopped the tablet, center below, in the MUM.jpeg ( ST Alfege Church). Can read only the words: Of Frans Background.

ETA: just mentioning the empleh vid is impressive. My fav bit is weightless S. Hawking & apple.
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V's text to me, "speak to us of time" is a quote from The Prophet. The text from the book is as follows:

Quote:

And an astronomer said, "Master, what of Time?"
And he answered:

You would measure time the measureless and the immeasurable.
You would adjust your conduct and even direct the course of your spirit according to hours and seasons.
Of time you would make a stream upon whose bank you would sit and watch its flowing.
Yet the timeless in you is aware of life's timelessness,
And knows that yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream.
And that that which sings and contemplates in you is still dwelling within the bounds of that first moment which scattered the stars into space.
Who among you does not feel that his power to love is boundless?
And yet who does not feel that very love, though boundless, encompassed within the centre of his being, and moving not from love thought to love thought, nor from love deeds to other love deeds?
And is not time even as love is, undivided and spaceless?

But if in your thought you must measure time into seasons, let each season encircle all the other seasons,
And let today embrace the past with remembrance and the future with longing.


the copy Orpheus held "somehow" ended up in my hands. When I get in I shall check for any unique qualities before making a response.

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Ok, I've decoded "Here.doc". You do a find & replace to replace all the "Rg" with 111, then run it through a binary decoder.

Quote:
I am here, standing beside you, wondering how, in six months everything has gone from simple to sinople. I do no understand what is wrong with me, or indeed, why my life is so upside down. My friend, my BEST friend Claire cannot be seen by me for my enemies enemy [NOT my friend] will use her against me.
What do I do I am in a dilemma, I need to understand the very nature of what is happening to me I feel stronger, like there are is one two of me and we I can do what I we like
Soon the Ministry will make me complete my duty, the only reason they have let me get away with the removal of my Father and hold power over them. Did I mean to poison his fruit salad? Yes. I know, thanks to Vladimir, that he was indeed the man who killed my mother. Why Vladimir took the wrap and then allowed his last breaths to be used to save me protect me strengthen me I will never know it seems.
But I am to be used, to kill, to prevent the Ministry falling apart. But they have me in a corner now, a corner of a circle. If I don’t protect the Ministry in the early twentieth century then my mother will never meet my Father and I will never be born. My very being here proves that I am a killer. But could I paint the roses red in order to save an innocent, and possibly many more? All I know is that the command must be sent to my grandmother and here isn’t much time left. I saw a date somewhere but cant recall it Please, if you do ever read this and can help me, help me. I don’t know who I can trust anymore.


Edit: another good chat with Claire tonight.

Major idea that came out: Maybe the CD songs/etc. are clues to where the parts of the machine are hidden. However, Claire told me that was a total guess on her part, and not to get to excited about it...BUT if that is the case, then our getting hold of some of the machine's parts before May 23 (when Target 628.doc says the poison must be administered by) could prevent the Ministry from killing Tiphys in time, while still keeping V out of trouble (so long as our doing it can't be traced back to her). That would allow her to "paint the roses red" (an Alice in Wonderland reference)...have her cake and eat it/get away with it, too.

Ok, sorry guys, but too tired to summarize our chat right now...going to post the whole thing & then go to bed.

[quote]8:09pm
Me
Sorry to hear you've had a rough day

8:11pm
Claire
it's ok
i'm fine
just i went to see mum and dad
and hated leaving

8:13pm
Me
have they gone back home, or still staying away?

8:14pm
Claire
back home now. mom's not very well

8:14pm
Me
oh, is she ill?
just a cold, I hope?

8:15pm
Claire
she has diabetes and it's playing up a bit

8:16pm
Me
oh, that sucks

8:16pm
Claire
i think the stress is contributing so i feel really guilty
and hated leaving her
8:18pm
Claire
but i guess it's more stressful for me to be kidnapped again

8:18pm
Me
maybe it's time for us to hit the research again, now that we have V's CD...it would be nice to fix this need for you to keep running

8:20pm
Claire
anyways i went home to see if they were ok, get some money out ( so all of my card transactions are from wolves) and then drove a few hours, saw a doc who has given me a reduction plan, and then drove another few hours
I haven't been able to look at the cd yet.
I don't have compatible software on my netbook and no wireless connection again

8:20pm
Me
what do you mean, from wolves? must be an expression I don't know.

8:21pm
Claire
oh ok sorry
wolves is short for wolverhampton

8:21pm
Claire
it's what people at home call it

8:21pm
Me
good plan

8:21pm
Claire
i always seem to forget people don't know things i know
like i always forget taxi drivrs don't know where i live lol

8:22pm
Me
heh...I do that sometimes, too

I feel pretty braindead today...been a long week with little sleep. But I guess you know that feeling.

did anyone tell you V's twitter profile has disappeared?

8:24pm
Claire
no no one has
not a good sign
unless it's just the ministry finding out that she has one and telling her off for it
doesn't necessarily mean she's hurt
*she says hopefully*

8:25pm
Me
maybe, but her last message seemed panicked. lemme find it...

8:26pm
Claire
not good then

8:26pm
Me
RROR ERROR ERROR Twitter cannot locate account.Help me.Not much time left now. Twitter cannot locate account.ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR

8:27pm
Claire
sounds like she's gone loopy

8:27pm
Me
one of the items on the CD has a filename "empleh", which is "help me" backwards.

so I'm hoping the other items on the CD will help us figure out how to help her.

8:28pm
Claire
i wish i could see them!!
any clues at all?

8:29pm
Me
The video has a lot of references to windmills, and giants have been referred to as well

8:29pm
Claire
cryptic as ever then

8:29pm
Me
like the music video from Birdhouse in Your Soul is part of the empleh video

(by They Might Be Giants)

8:29pm
Claire
ok

8:29pm
Me
and reference to circles within circles, which came up during the events of the last year

8:30pm
Claire
my classics knowledge is a little hazy
are there giants in the jason and the argonauts stories

8:30pm
Me
I remember JPW mentioning last year something about "circles within circles" referring to the saint days, the Tarot, and the giants...and I think connected to the 24 hours in a day

yes, there are.

I found a list last year that was really good, but haven't found that one again...but http://www.maicar.com/GML/GIANTS.html seems to have an appropriate list.

8:32pm
Claire
ok just looking

8:34pm
Me
though that article doesn't mention jason & the argonauts

just googled "jason argonauts giants" and got references to them fighting 6-armed giants in Propontis and then another giant in Crete

8:37pm
Claire
i'm sure it's not connected but that article mentions that the giants were born of the blood that flowed from the castration of uranus. as there seems to be a lot about astronomy mentioned I googled uranus and it's known as one of the ice giants
some planets are gas giants depending on their composition
like i said probably not linked but just thinking aloud as i read

8:38pm
Me
No, that's an interesting thought! Perhaps we should consider "giants" in other contexts, too!
too bad I haven't started the astronomy unit with my grade 9 students yet!

8:39pm
Claire
lol don't look at me either!!
8:41pm
Claire
I always thought I was reasonably intelligent but this whole thing makes me feel nstupider and stupider

8:41pm
Me
you aren't alone

it's amazing how many things in life are connected, eh?

8:42pm
Claire
very

8:45pm
Me
oh, hang on, just found out I can decode part of one of the CD files...gonna try something

8:46pm
Claire
ok cool

8:47pm
Claire
just managed to watch the helpme file
other than being pretty sinister i have no idea

8:48pm
Me
oh, I think the cave in that helpme file is the cave she stayed in last year, but I could be wrong

8:48pm
Claire
i think james mentioned that

8:48pm
Me
(where she went to keep the Ministry from tracking her and Vladimir)

8:49pm
Claire
in or near bletchley park where vlad took her to learn her skills or hone them

8:49pm
Me
If things got real bad, might not be a bad place for you to go, but it's not exactly cozy
(during this time I decoded Here.doc and sent her a message to Claire so she could read it)

8:55pm
Claire
ok
poor V

8:56pm
Me
yeah

"paint the roses red" is an Alice in Wonderland reference, but I'm sure you know that

8:57pm
Claire
yeah
but thanks for the reminder

8:57pm
Me
so looks like she wants to find a way to have her cake and eat it too

8:57pm
Claire
just off context for a second but did v ever describe the caves

8:58pm
Me
hmm...something about the counting house, IIRC

pretty sure we did figure out where she was staying

8:59pm
Claire
i think james said they were near bletchley park
8:59pm
Me
dangit, I wish I'd kept a better record of last year's events

9:00pm
Claire
it doesn't matter

9:01pm
Me
I can find out for you. It'll just take time.

9:01pm
Claire
just trying to google caves nearby and all i can find are the hellfire caves which are pretty massive

9:01pm
Me
heh...I know I'd remember that name if I'd heard it!

9:01pm
Claire
and where the notorious hellfire sex club met up so pretty weird vlad and v going there lol
no don't worry about it lets try and work on what you decoded

9:02pm
Me
Ok, now I'm glad I never saw either of them or I'd see bad pictures in my brain lol

9:03pm
Claire
Not sure what the "My very being here proves that i'm a killer " when she pretty much confesses to killing her dad

9:04pm
Me
she's talking about a time paradox.

9:04pm
Claire
i understand that

9:04pm
Me
oh, ok.

9:04pm
Claire
but she's a killer again
the way it comes across is that she's disgusted that her presence makes her a killer
but she has killed before going back and killing again if that makes sense

9:06pm
Me
there is that part in the middle where she says she feels "like there are is one two of me and we I can do what I we like"

9:06pm
Claire
i think i'm tying myself in knots

9:06pm
Me
yeah, I hear what you're saying. she killed her dad, so that does make her a killer, so why is she so torn up about having to kill again, you mean.

9:06pm
Claire
yeah i think so
also thinking that she had to kill her dad to convince herself that she can kill again
isn't it the same way? poisoning
so it's possible vs could have been lying
to get her to kill her dad so she knows she is capable of going back and doing it

9:09pm
Me
yeah, but indirectly. after all, it would be her grandmother (Cynthia Phanes--so that's why Atalanta 1 in the passworded file had [CP] after it) doing the actual poisoning

9:09pm
Claire
yeah was just thinking about that
so she's technically not a killer
a coercer

9:09pm
Me
remember you said maybe something happened to the other V that made her snap and be all brutal?

9:09pm
Claire
is that even a word lol
sorry i'm tired
yeah

9:10pm
Me
understandable...it's later over there

maybe sometimes the other V gets control, both of V's actions and her writing.

so maybe it was the other V that did the poisoning, & also says, "Yes, I meant to do that."

but maybe I'm just saying that because I want to believe our V is still good.

but the whole I/we sentence in there has me wondering.

9:12pm
Claire
yeah i agree
she is definitely the undefeatable typo queen but that seems deliberate

9:12pm
Me
lol

9:14pm
Claire
do you know as i have progressed with my memories of both I feel weaker
I am sleeping even less, I feel constantly ill and homesick
nothing sits right with me

9:14pm
Me
Sad

9:14pm
Claire
buy maybe V has the skills to merge the two
and that's what she means by feeling stronger
9:15pm
Me
I wonder...maybe the training she got from Vladimir and Johan also helped with that.

9:15pm
Claire
the simple to sinople implies that she is fully 2 aswell

9:16pm
Me
that makes sense

9:16pm
Claire
yeah that's what I was thinking

9:17pm
Claire
so maybe it's her bringing the two realities together that has brought mine together too?
I really don't know again just thinking aloud

9:17pm
Me
like a ripple effect?

9:17pm
Claire
yeah
i trust paul has no double memories

9:18pm
Me
hasn't mentioned any

9:18pm
Claire
although to be fair it was only yesterday so that's not an accurate measure

9:19pm
Me
he's also received V's copy of The Prophet
(the one she handed Orpheus yesterday)

9:21pm
Claire
when did he get that

9:22pm
Me
today, I think

he hasn't told me specifics yet

9:22pm
Claire
what? through the post?
ok
i hope they don't know where he lives too

9:23pm
Me
all he said was "the copy Orpheus held "somehow" ended up in my hands."

well...the Ministry DID ask us all for our contact info.

anyone that gave that info up before all hell broke loose...well.

9:24pm
Claire
wow
i don't want to scare people but maybe not the best move
although there seems to be members who aren't that sold on the plans either

9:25pm
Me
I'm wondering about Orpheus, too

he was heard telling V yesterday that he can't protect her forever

so does that mean he's helped her hide her true self sometimes?

9:27pm
Claire
maybe it was her communications
and that's why her twitter is down now

9:27pm
Me
that would seem to make sense, since he's the guy in charge of monitoring stuff

I think

9:27pm
Claire
ah ok

9:27pm
Me
V told me she'd had him scan all our computers

and that he found a bunch of lesson plans and such on mine

9:28pm
Claire
so they have that power
although i guess we kind of knew

9:28pm
Me
yeah

9:29pm
Claire
i hope that you are safe though

9:29pm
Me
I'm hoping being over here helps protect me...she did say the Oregon office was getting started again, but she's not getting involved with it (at least not yet)

9:31pm
Claire
hmmm wasn't there something about the man in oregon knowing the truth in Johan's letter

9:31pm
Me
yeah. that's where Annabell Cardui was killed.

9:32pm
Claire
so was vs the man in oregon

9:32pm
Me
the working theory right now is that JPW was the one who killed her, but Vlad allowed himself to be blamed for it in Bletchley Park right before you saw him die

9:32pm
Claire
i can't keep up i really can't
i have so many memories i shouldn't have and so few i should have
was Annabell living wityh vs when she died?

9:33pm
Me
think so

9:34pm
Claire
so she's probably the sad woman in my dream

9:34pm
Me
oh, and there was another point at which JPW told us it was Johan that poisoned her, but I don't believe that

do you remember seeing V's mum?

9:34pm
Claire
that is i think someone said vs collected butterflies

9:35pm
Me
his namesake certainly did.

9:35pm
Claire
i can't picture what she looks like

9:35pm
Me
one of the things on the CD is titled MUM and has a picture of a woman

can you access that?

maybe it will trigger a memory.

9:36pm
Claire
yeah he asked me to look at it but i can't open it on this

8:56pm
Me
yeah

"paint the roses red" is an Alice in Wonderland reference, but I'm sure you know that

8:57pm
Claire
yeah
but thanks for the reminder

8:57pm
Me
so looks like she wants to find a way to have her cake and eat it too

8:57pm
Claire
just off context for a second but did v ever describe the caves

8:58pm
Me
hmm...something about the counting house, IIRC

pretty sure we did figure out where she was staying

8:59pm
Claire
i think james said they were near bletchley park
8:59pm
Me
dangit, I wish I'd kept a better record of last year's events

9:00pm
Claire
it doesn't matter

9:01pm
Me
I can find out for you. It'll just take time.

9:01pm
Claire
just trying to google caves nearby and all i can find are the hellfire caves which are pretty massive

9:01pm
Me
heh...I know I'd remember that name if I'd heard it!

9:01pm
Claire
and where the notorious hellfire sex club met up so pretty weird vlad and v going there lol
no don't worry about it lets try and work on what you decoded

9:02pm
Me
Ok, now I'm glad I never saw either of them or I'd see bad pictures in my brain lol

9:03pm
Claire
Not sure what the "My very being here proves that i'm a killer " when she pretty much confesses to killing her dad

9:04pm
Me
she's talking about a time paradox.

9:04pm
Claire
i understand that

9:04pm
Me
oh, ok.

9:04pm
Claire
but she's a killer again
the way it comes across is that she's disgusted that her presence makes her a killer
but she has killed before going back and killing again if that makes sense

9:06pm
Me
there is that part in the middle where she says she feels "like there are is one two of me and we I can do what I we like"

9:06pm
Claire
i think i'm tying myself in knots

9:06pm
Me
yeah, I hear what you're saying. she killed her dad, so that does make her a killer, so why is she so torn up about having to kill again, you mean.

9:06pm
Claire
yeah i think so
also thinking that she had to kill her dad to convince herself that she can kill again
isn't it the same way? poisoning
so it's possible vs could have been lying
to get her to kill her dad so she knows she is capable of going back and doing it

9:09pm
Me
yeah, but indirectly. after all, it would be her grandmother (Cynthia Phanes--so that's why Atalanta 1 in the passworded file had [CP] after it) doing the actual poisoning

9:09pm
Claire
yeah was just thinking about that
so she's technically not a killer
a coercer

9:09pm
Me
remember you said maybe something happened to the other V that made her snap and be all brutal?

9:09pm
Claire
is that even a word lol
sorry i'm tired
yeah

9:10pm
Me
understandable...it's later over there

maybe sometimes the other V gets control, both of V's actions and her writing.

so maybe it was the other V that did the poisoning, & also says, "Yes, I meant to do that."

but maybe I'm just saying that because I want to believe our V is still good.

but the whole I/we sentence in there has me wondering.

9:12pm
Claire
yeah i agree
she is definitely the undefeatable typo queen but that seems deliberate

9:12pm
Me
lol

9:14pm
Claire
do you know as i have progressed with my memories of both I feel weaker
I am sleeping even less, I feel constantly ill and homesick
nothing sits right with me

9:14pm
Me
Sad

9:14pm
Claire
buy maybe V has the skills to merge the two
and that's what she means by feeling stronger
9:15pm
Me
I wonder...maybe the training she got from Vladimir and Johan also helped with that.

9:15pm
Claire
the simple to sinople implies that she is fully 2 aswell

9:16pm
Me
that makes sense

9:16pm
Claire
yeah that's what I was thinking

9:17pm
Claire
so maybe it's her bringing the two realities together that has brought mine together too?
I really don't know again just thinking aloud

9:17pm
Me
like a ripple effect?

9:17pm
Claire
yeah
i trust paul has no double memories

9:18pm
Me
hasn't mentioned any

9:18pm
Claire
although to be fair it was only yesterday so that's not an accurate measure

9:19pm
Me
he's also received V's copy of The Prophet
(the one she handed Orpheus yesterday)

9:21pm
Claire
when did he get that

9:22pm
Me
today, I think

he hasn't told me specifics yet

9:22pm
Claire
what? through the post?
ok
i hope they don't know where he lives too

9:23pm
Me
all he said was "the copy Orpheus held "somehow" ended up in my hands."

well...the Ministry DID ask us all for our contact info.

anyone that gave that info up before all hell broke loose...well.

9:24pm
Claire
wow
i don't want to scare people but maybe not the best move
although there seems to be members who aren't that sold on the plans either

9:25pm
Me
I'm wondering about Orpheus, too

he was heard telling V yesterday that he can't protect her forever

so does that mean he's helped her hide her true self sometimes?

9:27pm
Claire
maybe it was her communications
and that's why her twitter is down now

9:27pm
Me
that would seem to make sense, since he's the guy in charge of monitoring stuff

I think

9:27pm
Claire
ah ok

9:27pm
Me
V told me she'd had him scan all our computers

and that he found a bunch of lesson plans and such on mine

9:28pm
Claire
so they have that power
although i guess we kind of knew

9:28pm
Me
yeah

9:29pm
Claire
i hope that you are safe though

9:29pm
Me
I'm hoping being over here helps protect me...she did say the Oregon office was getting started again, but she's not getting involved with it (at least not yet)

9:31pm
Claire
hmmm wasn't there something about the man in oregon knowing the truth in Johan's letter

9:31pm
Me
yeah. that's where Annabell Cardui was killed.

9:32pm
Claire
so was vs the man in oregon

9:32pm
Me
the working theory right now is that JPW was the one who killed her, but Vlad allowed himself to be blamed for it in Bletchley Park right before you saw him die

9:32pm
Claire
i can't keep up i really can't
i have so many memories i shouldn't have and so few i should have
was Annabell living wityh vs when she died?

9:33pm
Me
think so

9:34pm
Claire
so she's probably the sad woman in my dream

9:34pm
Me
oh, and there was another point at which JPW told us it was Johan that poisoned her, but I don't believe that

do you remember seeing V's mum?

9:34pm
Claire
that is i think someone said vs collected butterflies

9:35pm
Me
his namesake certainly did.

9:35pm
Claire
i can't picture what she looks like

9:35pm
Me
one of the things on the CD is titled MUM and has a picture of a woman

can you access that?

maybe it will trigger a memory.

9:36pm
Claire
yeah he asked me to look at it but i can't open it on this
9:36pm
Me
ok.

9:36pm
Claire
will try and get to a mc donalds or something with wi fi tomorrow

9:36pm
Me
mc donalds have wifi over there?

wow.

here only sit-down restaurants and more upscale coffee shops like Starbucks have it

9:38pm
Me
one of the other items on the CD is titled Alfred Vail.doc...Amandel figured out he's connected to Morse code, but we haven't figured out the connection yet.

we'll keep working on it

Something else interesting...

that file I decoded was named Here.doc ...and at one point, JPW sent James an e-mail including a hidden message that included the words "NOT HERE"...

9:40pm
Claire
yeah they do, most service stations too which is good for me as i've been on the motorway a fair bit

9:41pm
Me
...and I saw Aethalides say "not here" once, too.

9:41pm
Claire
hmmmm

9:41pm
Me
Maybe here/not here refers to the two sides.

9:41pm
Claire
lots of connections but no real answers
good point

9:41pm
Me
yeah, sorry

9:41pm
Claire
i'm not blaming you
i just mean we're going round and round in circles lol

9:42pm
Me
like windmills ?

9:43pm
Claire
yeah lol
oh don't know whether you know but the black and white building in the helpme file is the building i was in held in while it was still a church

9:45pm
Me
Ok, good to know.

9:45pm
Claire
it's a drawing
not an actual black and white building lol
but you know what i mean

9:45pm
Me
yeah, got it

9:47pm
Claire
the one song is drumming song by florence and the machines isn't it?

(missing chunk of chat in which we discussed what all the songs were & she suggested the idea that the songs might be clues to where the pieces of the machine are hidden)

10:04pm
Me
then the race would be on...us needing to get the items before MoA people

10:04pm
Claire
TOTAL GUESS so don't get excited
it's probably more likely that it's just to get the machine ref across

10:06pm
Me
they do need the machine by the 23rd, though.
if we could prevent the machine from being assembled...

10:07pm
Claire
the 23rd?

10:07pm
Me
well, Target 628.doc says the poison must be administered by then..

10:07pm
Claire
so maybe there is clues to the machine in the cd somewhere
10:09pm
Claire
ah ok
i'm glad you're here!!!

10:10pm
Me
I'm glad *you're* here...we are sparking each other's brains

10:11pm
Claire
let's hope they don't catch fire!!!

10:11pm
Me
LOL
yeah, my brain isn't firing THAT well

10:12pm
Claire
it bloody is!!!

10:12pm
Me
Smile

10:12pm
Claire
there's a windmill theatre in london

10:12pm
Me
cool
is it a movie theatre, or for plays?

10:14pm
Claire
for plays
fsince 1931

10:14pm
Me
lol just reading Wikipedia about it...it's a nude bar now?

10:14pm
Claire
is it lol

10:15pm
Me
"Today an erotic table-dancing club occupies the building that once housed the Windmill Theatre."

10:16pm
Claire
it's gone from hellfire sex clubs to strip bars lol
i'm beginning to wonder what kind of ministry this is!!!

10:16pm
Me
LOL
I think I need to get out before I have to do something kinky!!!

10:16pm
Claire
ah ok it's what the film mrs henderson presents is about

10:17pm
Me
never saw it

10:17pm
Claire
she makes it profitable by staging burlesque type shows
can't see the moa hiding machine parts there
back to the drawing board

10:18pm
Me
well, it was an interesting detour

10:18pm
Claire
rabbit heart lyrics are totally alice in wonderland
"the looking glass so shiny and new, how quickly the glamour fadesping out of time"
don't know what happened to half of my sentence but should have been, i start spinning slipping out of time

10:21pm
Me
is it just me, or does it seem to talk about a rabbit being turned to gold?

10:21pm
Claire
"Was that the wrong pill to take. You made a deal and now it seems you have to offer up, but will it ever be enough"

10:21pm
Me
'cuz that would seem to connect to the Masquerade hare.

10:21pm
Claire
yeah it does
to me the song could have been written about v
"and in the spring i shed my skin and it blows away in the changing wind"

10:23pm
Me
which is very weird to say of a rabbit...I guess they lose their winter coats, but not their skin.

10:23pm
Claire
i think it's her sacrificed and so changing
and the whole this is a gift, it comes with a price, who is the lamb and who is the knife
that's as if she doesn't know firstly who she is and then whether it is her who is the sacrifice or scarificer

10:28pm
Claire
look at this link
http://www.windmillworld.com/uk/london.htm
can you see the windmill by st georges church

10:29pm
Me
oh, yeah!

10:30pm
Claire
it's also next to a river

10:30pm
Me
wonder if it's still standing

10:30pm
Claire
in the drumming song, the bridge after the verse about the belltower is "I ran to the river and dove straight in"

10:32pm
Me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_windmills_in_London seems to indicate it wouldn't be up anymore?

10:33pm
Claire
I don't remember seeing it when I found it on that venture to london

10:34pm
Me
I would suggest that maybe the pieces were hidden while it was still standing, but I think V was made to use the machine for something last year, too.

10:35pm
Claire
hmmmm
i think we may have more questions than answers hun

10:36pm
Me
yeah, and I'm tired and not comprehending heh

10:36pm
Claire
at least we've identified odd bits and you did that fantastic decoding work

10:36pm
Me
glad I got the one doc decoded, though
I think I'm going to turn in earlier than usual tonight

10:37pm
Claire
me too. I am gonna have to go as it's 3. 40 here

10:37pm
Me
holy cow
go to sleep, girl

10:37pm
Claire
will have a look at the files tomorrow and hope something jogs a memory
thanks again for your company
xxxx

10:38pm
Me
may sleep come easily tonight.

10:38pm
Claire
i'm pretty tired, but may be humming the windmills song lol
take carexxx

10:39pm
Me
leave the night light on inside the birdhouse in your soul Smile
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Very interesting stuff! Those caves - the Hellfire Caves are in West Wycombe, and I visited them not so long ago. They're not the ones in the images. I'm sure we worked out where they were in part one though...

The Prophet... The only difference I can find between V's copy and the online version is that hers is complete. For game purposes, I found it in the park as they fled.

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Bril substitution, dreamer. What a Eureka moment for you! A. sent me a NING msg yesterday also reffying the 23rd May.

Aethalides wrote:
Time, however, is now speeding up. We only have 9 days. talk about being hung from a tree by the, well... ahem.
Please gather the recruits and get everyone working as quickly as possible. We need the new recruits to observe the patterns outside of our offices. We monitor flux thus accordingly... any change, great or small, can be important Please, if you notice anything...
Research him as much as possible - it may be that facts change soon...

Coffee 'Tho I remain Tarot-challenged think A is alluding above to The Hanged Man (XII) also known as The Traitor.
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I texted the passage to V. She replied:

Quote:
Help of plea* This message is incomplete as sender is unknown.


trying to text back, it bounces back as an unknown number....

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No time to stick around, and this is a bit off topic, but, seeing as similar things have been brought up through out the two games, I figured I'd post it after seeing it :


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Spot on! Smile

Claire has just confirmed to me that the woman in the picture MUM is "Annabell". Can anyone remember the details on that from the first section?

I'm wondering if the sleeplessness / visions and strange events that Claire and Vannessa are experiencing are because time is currently in a state of flux. In essence, there are two versions of both of them inhabiting the same minds until a reality is established - hence why C can remember V in confused "chunks" of memory. I have to say, though, I was a little surprised that V was, or appeared to be, a real living person. I was half expecting to discover she was some form of AI. Maybe she is. Maybe her and Claire are both AIs inserted into human minds.

Anyhow. The decoded document - V talks of being trapped in the corner of a circle. Apart from referring to "squaring the circle" this also links to the full passage on Time asked by The Astronomer in The Prophet. It's an interesting read - lots of it is online so check it out. There's a whole bunch of ship references too.

With regards to the 23rd, why is that date so special? I've asked Claire if she knows of any family birthdays around then, but I've also been looking to see if there are any major astronomical events then. No luck yet...

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Purely because this number has occured so often...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Enigma

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From Claire:

Quote:
More than likely not important but that version of windmills in my mind is by 'All Angels.'


Gotta head out to family BBQ. Have a good one, y'all.
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A little more on squaring the circle, as referenced in V's coded message.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle?wasRedirected=true

EDIT-

are the caves The Hermitage Caves in Bridgnorth?

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Color me not surprised our cat among the pigeons, Poeas, has finally shown her true colors. Twisted Evil

Poeas wrote:
I'm not really caring who solved my little rhymes. I thought you were wanting to help me bring down the ministry I'll work alone.
Frankly, Vanessa deserves whats coming to her - though why my grandfather chose her to be host I'll never know. Still, her identity is already breaking, soon it'll be one, as will the ministry, and that'll leave both grandfather's alive, me a happy woman once more and that damn family removed from existence forever.
Oh, and if you think about telling her, consider this - she'll never be able to talk to her mother again if anything happens to the machine... and that, n turn will create the same paradox, removing all of them - so enjoy the last few days left knowing them...
Go on, ask your 'intellectual' friend how to solve this little puzzle Wink
Nice knowing you all
H le R


Mailed P that someone brainier than me had solved her other riddle. No name as she manipulates. Warned C & she replied:

Claire Hoskyns on FB wrote:
I'm always on my guard honey but thanks for the heads up. To be honest I was saying to Blue last night that H looked very flustered when I asked her why VS wanted to protect V so much, but didn't protect H from the ministry and was worried that their may be some jealousy under current. Also when she made me log into my ning she typed 111, and that has been appearing in the middle of facebook messages or conversations, and I was wondering whether the 111 was a way of opening communications.

From that message it looks as though stopping V from using the machine destroys the ministry but also prevents V from being born. And who knows what happens if she does use it. We kind of knew from day one that H just wanted to save her grandfather. She used the veil of "caring for Vanessa" to get us to help. Maybe we should have tried to keep her onside longer, answering her little riddle. She's after the machine and knows more than us, and if we can get the machine then we can stop people with vested interest pushing one way or the other. It would definitely be a bargaining chip if we need one. Can't be changed now, so I guess we need to keep working hard with what we have, and maybe try and contact someone we know is also a little "rogue" in the ministry. Has anyone heard from the Herald since his last garbled help message?

I could try and contact Poeas if needs be? She did help me escape after all, and she kept me alive for a reason, just like Jason did. She could have killed me when I got in the taxi. I'll see what the others think. I think the only way we are going to be able to sort all of this stuff out is by working together.

Thanks for your friendship and concern and keep safe


Might be risky, Claire contacting Poeas. Her decision to make yet am remembering what V wrote in the Here.doc:

Vanessa Atalanta wrote:
....my BEST friend Claire cannot be seen by me for my enemies enemy [NOT my friend] will use her against me.

EDIT: V has two new disturbing Yahoo blog entries and Vladimir Shocked is somehow posting in sync with Vanessa on FB.
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