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I'm Idmon. I guess I get to be a guy. Anyway, my name was apparently chosen from me based on my cloud avatar--Idmon was a seer. He foresaw that he would die on the Argo's journey, but joined anyway (and was indeed killed by a boar at some point during the journey).

In response to my trying to remind Claire of the image she'd told us of seeing a bunch of butterflies flapping their wings in a glass case as part of a plotless dream she'd had during the last ARG, she had this to say:
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I don't remember. Maybe that's why i made the butterfly. Have you ever seen one that looks like that?
I think i may have had a memory. Not of the bell tower but of John and I in a club. It's not really clear. My goddaughter is here today and I think she broke my dream! I was reading her Beauty and the Beast and she pointed at Belle and said is that the beauty. Something clicked in my head and I seemed to remember being in this bar with John. The weird thing is that he kept calling me his 'Beauty.' Not that i was beautiful but that I was 'His Beauty.' I have to ask but did I ever mention this to you before? I can't work out whether it happened or whether it was just a dream! I'm so confused!

I'm sorry for burdening you with all of this. I just don't really want to talk through all of this stuff with mum and dad. They're worried enough already! Thanks for being there and I hope you have/had a great day today

Claire xxx


A few things are clicking with me as I read this.

1. I think her mask is supposed to be a Painted Lady butterfly, easily seen at http://www.ukbutterflies.co.uk/species.php?species=cardui . One thing I don't get about the name is that the webpage itself says it is a Cynthia cardui, but the title of the page in the web browser calls it a Vanessa cardui. Either one would be related to Vanessa Atalanta: Cynthia Phanes was the name of her grandmother, and Vanessa's mother's last name (or her grandmother's after marriage?) was Cardui.

2. I happened to log into the chat on the MoA Ning a little while ago. No one else was logged in at the time, but an old chat between Jason and Amandel/Erginus was still displayed. The last thing Jason said was after Amandel had logged out (when he was trying to ask her a question, heh):
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gone - oh well - bye my beauty


3. Not only that, but did JPW not basically tell us straight out during the last game that HE was the "John" who'd approached Claire that day she went clubbing and had a weird experience meeting a guy named John? Can anyone find where in the last thread he mentioned that? I'm 95% sure he claimed responsibility...creepy rat.

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As for the red and green i'm not sure whether i was day dreaming or whether it was a flashback or something but i could see these red and green lights. I know they were flashing in this repeating pattern but i can't remember what the pattern was. I know it's there somewhere though on the Fringe of my memory. Weird huh?


Ah, that is a reference to the TV show Fringe! There is indeed a pattern of red and green lights that is important in that show. In the Fringe show, there is another universe parallel to our own, and some people in the other universe want to invade ours or something.

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As for the red and green i'm not sure whether i was day dreaming or whether it was a flashback or something but i could see these red and green lights. I know they were flashing in this repeating pattern but i can't remember what the pattern was. I know it's there somewhere though on the Fringe of my memory. Weird huh?


Ah, that is a reference to the TV show Fringe! There is indeed a pattern of red and green lights that is important in that show. In the Fringe show, there is another universe parallel to our own, and some people in the other universe want to invade ours or something.


Ha! I figured there was a Fringe reference in there, but I've never watched it so I wasn't sure.

And yup, that looks exactly like the butterfly mask, Dreamer. Now what does it mean?
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I only caught a few episodes, and fragments of episodes of Fringe, but were butterflies important in one episode? I seem to remember them killing somebody, somehow.

Also, I'm now Philoctetes on the Ning.

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Quick update about Claire:

The red/green flashing lights aren't lightbulbs or LEDs. She's thinking of going off her sleep meds to see if it helps her dream or remember. Trying to find out what she's on.

Just got this from Claire:

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zopiclone although they may be called different manufacturer names. My brand is zimovane. I think you're probably right about stopping them. I don't want to set my progress back further. Have you heard anything from Vanessa lately? I'm a bit worried about her because i think that her dad might be the same John i met in the club in december. The one who made time go weird. I also think that he's the one who kidnapped me! I'm worried for her safety


Dreamer, I don't think JPW ever confirmed or denied that he waas "John". My French was always terrible, but isn't "Jean" the French version of "John"?
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There is an article about the red and green lights/circles in Fringe episodes here: http://fringe.wikia.com/wiki/The_Circles . Of note is this:
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The same green, green, green, red pattern is represented in blinking lights, putting the subject watching them in a hypnagogic state. In this condition, they can respond to commands but have no knowledge of said actions or the passing of time. This continues until they are "awakened" with a simple touch.


What if John used some red & green blinky device to make Claire & Vanessa lose time when he encountered them? This ARG isn't Fringe, but it is an idea.

Incidentally, here's a great source for reading recaps of Fringe episodes: http://www.tv.com/fringe/show/75146/episode.html

On another note, when Aethalides contacted me about my codename today, he mentioned a couple of interesting things:
- the day being very busy due to doing "protection duty"
- "Got to get back to the paper work else the Family will never be happy..."

Sirannon, I've added your Facebook name alongside your codename on the wiki, if that's ok.

Dawn, yes, Jean is the French version of John.

I've also got another Facebook message from Claire. She agrees with us that the mask seems to be the Painted Lady butterfly. Actually, let me just let you see the message:
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Wow i think that looks quite a lot like it. It has the same white marks too. Wow vanessa too. I think that's too much of a coincidence! Just looked on wiki. Did you see the name for the west coast painted lady? Vanessa annabella. Wasn't that V's mum's name? This just gets weirder and weirder.

I remember that now! It was december and we were in that club and he was laughing and calling me his beauty! You said that Vanessa's father called someone his beauty too? That may be too much of a coincidence too. So that would mean it was Vanessa's father was the one who made the time go weird in the club that night, and the one that kidnapped me.


Well, we already know that it was JPW that kidnapped her, so that isn't news to us...apparently it is for her.

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Can I get confirmation from someone that weillerjpierreSPLATaol.co.uk is JPW/Jason's email address? It's the one I had from before. (People still use AOL???)
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Things I have done re recruitment:

1. Posted a note on my real-world Facebook profile describing a little bit about what happens in an ARG, explaining that there is one I'm involved in that's just starting, and saying if any of my readers like solving puzzles, interacting with people online, a little bit of improv acting, etc., they should sign up. I included my codename for them to give to Aethalides.

2. Went down the list of players who had pieces represent them in the last chapter of this ARG (found at http://redqueen.wikia.com/wiki/Player_Groups) and, if they don't already seem to be involved, sent them a Facebook message inviting them to get in on this. The only one I couldn't find on my friends list was Sarah Tallon/theclaw/Puddingbat, so feel free to make contact with her.

3. Sent a similar message to almost anyone I've played ARGs with in the past & have on my Facebook friends list, also inviting them to get involved in this one.

In addition to this, I suggested to Jason in a Ning chat that they need a brochure or a poster or something. He may suggest that Aethalides come up with something, but would also like to see us come up with an idea by midnight his time. Well, he wants ME to come up with something by that time, but I won't be able to work on it until tomorrow.

Oh, knowing that Vanessa and Aethalides have been saying that today would be / was a busy workday, I asked Vanessa and Jason when I saw them on the Ning chat if there was something I could do to help.

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Just remind Atalanta that she should log her computer off before others use it - could cause a nasty misunderstanding Smile Anyone still in the office? Please leave - I have to go home now. Idmon, thank you for your offer. Could you write the report ple

!! Sorry - didn't realise you were a recruit!

Nothing I can think of, bar inviting others - I'd like it if this year, we ahd the biggest intake. It would honour those that have fallen recently.

Me: I am making some efforts in this regard, but it is difficult when all you have to advertise on is, "Come help us! We are involved in national defence in some way!" Smile

You folks need a brochure or a poster or something.[i]

You know more than that or you wouldn't have signed up..

I'll ask our herald to create something - or perhaps you'd like to?

[i]You are right...but I also don't know how much information you want us to share in case those we share the information with DON'T sign up.

Hmm...that would be an interesting challenge. Why don't we both work on something.


We explicitly state that you should only invite those who you think are suitable - not everyone

Otherwise the Times would have a full page advert tomrrow.

Yes, sir. Sorry for misspeaking.

Don't apologise. I'm not a bad captain!

No hook instead of hand - but we do ask for discretion. Please, gather your friends who are entertained by puzzles, by crosswords, who are well read or well experienced in life

Am I correct in understanding that the current recruitment phase will last for the remainder of the month?

April \a-pril,ap-ril\ is pronounced AY-prill. It is of Latin origin, and its meaning is "to open".

Vanessa was brought ina few days earlier, the 19th, to be properly introduced to everyone. Your invites, mainly, went out on the satndard British day, as required by state law.

I am tired. "in a" "standard" - excuse my erroneous typing.

[Medea this time] It's okay. Vanessa's typing is way worse Razz

Like father like daughter eh? Now, to Bedfordshire... Good night all. I'll expect the poster/leaflet/advert done by, say midnight? Thank you.

Vladimir's red king has my email.


Speaking of the red king--Telos, have you signed up yet?

Edit: Also, new tweets from V:

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Checking out "Contest" on Ministry of Argon: http://ning.it/9RZxH0

Very tired now - so much fuss about one woman - and because what? she has lots of 8's in her birthday! sigh. She was really nice though!#arg

8/8/88 8:18 I mean, come on... any more 8' and she'd be one of those things in maths... oh, damn brain, too tired - night !!!!


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I haven't yet. I've been doing a bit of back and forth with JPW at his old email first. Then with Claire. I plan on applying very soon, though.
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On Fringe: bought the first series box set last month. Butterflies feature in 2 ways so far.
1) There is an episode where a businessman is infected with a parasite which makes him hallucinate - he sees lots of razor winged butterflies fly around him and slice at his skin, his body reacts to the hallucination by creating the cuts out of nowhere. See http://fringepedia.net/wiki/The_Dreamscape.
2) The image of a butterfly is also one of the reoccurring images which seem to be important to the series. This image shows a butterfly with what appears to be bones running up the wings.



I've read up on what they mean in the series, each image (there are a number - an apple, a flower, seahorse, smoke, a leaf etc) represents a letter, the whole alphabet is represented by having the yellow dot in different places on the images (so, a butterfly with the dot in the bottom left is a different letter to one with it in the top right). Using this code messages are sent throughout the episodes - quite ARGy really.

Not sure how its relavent, but might be worth knowing (haven't finished the series yet, so I may be missing something big!).
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Got another message from Claire about 20 mins ago:

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Hey Dawn. Hope you're ok? I think i had a dream last night that i've already told another friend about but i figure the more help the better! My mum is also taking me to see a psychologist today and although i'm scared of leaving the house i'm hoping that they might be able to help me remember.
Anyways the dream was that I was in a room full of glass cases of butterflies all flapping. There was a woman in the room as well and although I couldn't see her face I could feel her sadness and loneliness.

Does that mean anything to you? I know that the answer is somewhere in the Fringe of my mind, like a butterfly tapping at the glass.

Claire
xxx


Vanessa mentioned in her Tweet last night about doing all this work for a woman with a bunch of 8s in her birthday. I wonder if there's a connection to the woman in Claire's dream?

Edit: Digging around to find birthdays with lots of 8s in them. Figured it would be 8/8/1888 or 8/8/1988. There is a royal connection, as Princess Beatrix (that would be Andrew and Fergie's daughter) was born 8/8/1988. I'm not sure if we're looking for someone famous, though. Could be just a random person we haven't met yet.
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Yeah, this time the message I got from Claire was pretty much the same as yours.

I hope the psychologist is trustworthy...remember that the nurse who looked after Johan in the first chapter was actually a Ministry of Argon mole.

Aethalides has mentioned "the Family," and V has mentioned that it was "all because of the royals" that the marathon was extended, so a royal connection to the birthdate seems good.

There are 2 Fringe glyphs that have butterflies in them...one stands for O and one stands for P. Hmm.

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dawndilion wrote:

Edit: Digging around to find birthdays with lots of 8s in them. Figured it would be 8/8/1888 or 8/8/1988. There is a royal connection, as Princess Beatrix (that would be Andrew and Fergie's daughter) was born 8/8/1988. I'm not sure if we're looking for someone famous, though. Could be just a random person we haven't met yet.


From Wikipedia on Princess Beatrice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Beatrice_of_York
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In April 2010, running to raise money for Children In Crisis, she became the first member of the royal family to complete the London Marathon.[7]


EDIT: FURTHERMORE! This is from the Telegraph article on the subject: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7632312/Princess-Beatrice-becomes-first-royal-to-complete-London-Marathon.html
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The 21-year-old princess and her American boyfriend David Clark were part of a "human caterpillar" of 34 people who ran the length of the 26.2-mile course tied together with bungee cords.


Another butterfly connection?
Not sure what its all about, but its another connection.
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Looks like I'm in on the ministry site. Seems it was V who invited me, with an email that went right to my spam box (GJ, gmail...), luckily I recovered it, and was greeted by this :
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Is this more personal?
"Please come to our Ministry. We won't be the same without you..."
Which isn't a lie. Plus, most of your friends are already here...


I assume it's been said like that because I've been giving JPW a hard time over everything, as usual.

Been talking to Claire. I'll pastebin the entire conversation later on. But, for now, I have to get ready to go. Have some things I need to do today.

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Did some poking around and found the name list. after two prior name changes (one from my 'real name', and one from Telos) I'm now Admetus on there.(basically chose an easy to remember one..)
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That's funny, Telos, since when I first joined, Aethalides Libatrix posted a comment on my wall that said: "Welcome Dawn. You have been expected...".

I'm still pondering the hidden message in your one email from JPW. Not sure what to make of it; if it is useful now or will be later.

Edit: Interesting song choices to post on the MoA Ning, Telos Very Happy

Admetus added 3 songs
When The Levee Breaks - A Perfect Circle
Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers
White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
14 minutes ago

Gotta run to work and will be gone most of the day.
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dawndilion wrote:
That's funny, Telos, since when I first joined, Aethalides Libatrix posted a comment on my wall that said: "Welcome Dawn. You have been expected...".

I'm still pondering the hidden message in your one email from JPW. Not sure what to make of it; if it is useful now or will be later.

Edit: Interesting song choices to post on the MoA Ning, Telos Very Happy

Admetus added 3 songs
When The Levee Breaks - A Perfect Circle
Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers
White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
14 minutes ago

Gotta run to work and will be gone most of the day.


Well, the only one with a real 'connection' to this, would be the latter, and, so far that's more to the first game Razz
The other two were just songs I like.

The hidden message in his email.. I don't know exactly what it means either, but he mentions
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If you found the message from my last communique then you found the ship. Good, glad you like your Shakespeare.
in the reply to what I sent back to the email with his hidden message. (one of my own, saying "Not here? What? You can't type with out being monitored or something? Reminds me of VS's old problem.", whited out just as his.)

Any way, heading out now, before this storm gets worse.
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