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 		Indeed, yes, the original classic!

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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
[quote="FilmEdge"]Expect a lot of crossovers from Spielberg films of that era, since SUPER 8 is JJ's homage to those films.


Perhaps the truck driver sacrificed himself so "something" could go free.

Look at this way,it wouldn't be to far off in today's cinema to make us think in the trailer..that this is the beginning of the movie. What if it's the END.

Think about it...everything..a crash, fighting, abductions, everything leads up to "IT" being captured and brought to W.P. Base but in that time frame(the movie) it shows to some people that it is not evil and rather good..and someone decides to give their life to free it.

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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
FilmEdge wrote:
Expect a lot of crossovers from Spielberg films of that era, since SUPER 8 is JJ's homage to those films.


Perhaps the truck driver sacrificed himself so "something" could go free.

Look at this way,it wouldn't be to far off in today's cinema to make us think in the trailer..that this is the beginning of the movie. What if it's the END.

Think about it...everything..a crash, fighting, abductions, everything leads up to "IT" being captured and brought to W.P. Base but in that time frame(the movie) it shows to some people that it is not evil and rather good..and someone decides to give their life to free it.


I was thinking the same thing about the truck driver wanting to free it for whatever reason but I don't think that the monster is actually good. If it was then there wouldn't be too much suspense or action in it. Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.

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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
Granite Wasps wrote:
FilmEdge wrote:
Expect a lot of crossovers from Spielberg films of that era, since SUPER 8 is JJ's homage to those films.


Perhaps the truck driver sacrificed himself so "something" could go free.

Look at this way,it wouldn't be to far off in today's cinema to make us think in the trailer..that this is the beginning of the movie. What if it's the END.

Think about it...everything..a crash, fighting, abductions, everything leads up to "IT" being captured and brought to W.P. Base but in that time frame(the movie) it shows to some people that it is not evil and rather good..and someone decides to give their life to free it.


I was thinking the same thing about the truck driver wanting to free it for whatever reason but I don't think that the monster is actually good. If it was then there wouldn't be too much suspense or action in it. Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.
the gov would totally not want it out and about even if it was good just because its good doesnt mean the gov wants us to know of it or plans to use it for good i think its possible its good and humans or gov winds up being the vilkians of this film im not sure i would call this a monster movie just yet but thats me you could be correct tho
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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
comadarkvale wrote:
Granite Wasps wrote:
FilmEdge wrote:
Expect a lot of crossovers from Spielberg films of that era, since SUPER 8 is JJ's homage to those films.


Perhaps the truck driver sacrificed himself so "something" could go free.

Look at this way,it wouldn't be to far off in today's cinema to make us think in the trailer..that this is the beginning of the movie. What if it's the END.

Think about it...everything..a crash, fighting, abductions, everything leads up to "IT" being captured and brought to W.P. Base but in that time frame(the movie) it shows to some people that it is not evil and rather good..and someone decides to give their life to free it.


I was thinking the same thing about the truck driver wanting to free it for whatever reason but I don't think that the monster is actually good. If it was then there wouldn't be too much suspense or action in it. Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.
the gov would totally not want it out and about even if it was good just because its good doesnt mean the gov wants us to know of it or plans to use it for good i think its possible its good and humans or gov winds up being the vilkians of this film im not sure i would call this a monster movie just yet but thats me you could be correct tho


Yeah it would make sense for it to try and make the government out to be the bad guy because it's supposed to be like to old Spelberg(misspelled) movies and i heard that they were against the government so that also works. Just by the atmosphere of the teaser I was guessing that the movie was supposed to be a monster movie and that the monster was the bad guy.

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 		well either one works for me as long as the story is good
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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
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Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.


Yet Abrams went to some length (at least in the backstory) to design CLOVERFIELD *not* to be about an "evil monster" — but that it's actually just a baby, scared, hurt and looking for its mother. I don't think this came through in the film at all, but his intent in designing it as such remains clear. When attacked, it defends itself. But to be evil, Clover would have to have intent behind its actions — it had none, except survival and to find safety. That says a lot about JJ's philosophy regarding "monsters." We'll see whether Abrams follows similar lines with SUPER 8, if there's even an applicable 'monster' this time.

Granite Wasps wrote:
Yeah it would make sense for it to try and make the government out to be the bad guy because it's supposed to be like to old Spelberg(misspelled) movies and i heard that they were against the government so that also works. Just by the atmosphere of the teaser I was guessing that the movie was supposed to be a monster movie and that the monster was the bad guy.


I'm not sure how young you are or what your movie-watching background is, but the point I was making earlier was that Spielberg, in the 70s-80s, went out of his way NOT to make the government the "bad guy." In fact, they were quite benign, peaceful and seeking enlightenment in CE3K — the met the aliens not with guns but with a synthesizer. That's the opposite of "bad guy" behavior.

Note how Spielberg removed the military from the equation entirely for E.T., and while the government was more aggressive in tracking the alien and preserving it as a secret, they were not hunting it down with guns either.

I don't think Spielberg relied on the easy 'crutch' of painting the government/military with a broad brush as the villain in any of his films. Even in WAR OF THE WORLDS the military fires all barrels of every weapon known with no effect against the alien invaders — but it was utterly in self-defense after attack. Much more in line with the spirit of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and the WWII view of military power, and not a paranoid shoot-first Cold War image of armed forces. I think that has a lot to do with his father coming from the WWII era.

If Abrams is truly making SUPER 8 as an homage to 70s-80s Spielberg films — which reportedly influences his career very much — then I'm not sure he'll create a story that opposite to Spielberg's sensibilities of that decade. Of course I expect Abrams in serve his own sensibilities too, which will be the wild card in what SUPER 8 is about, but the pair hardly seem like philosophical opposites to me.

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 		if you are referring to me im 32 and im huge into films esp horror and sci fi of all eras but i agree with you
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 		Re: CE3K/Speilberg influences [SPEC]
FilmEdge wrote:
Granite Wasps wrote:
Plus it's a monster movie, the monster has to be evil and from the ARG so far it seems like the government is trying to cover it up and if the monster is good then the government wouldn't be so worried about it getting out.


Yet Abrams went to some length (at least in the backstory) to design CLOVERFIELD *not* to be about an "evil monster" — but that it's actually just a baby, scared, hurt and looking for its mother. I don't think this came through in the film at all, but his intent in designing it as such remains clear. When attacked, it defends itself. But to be evil, Clover would have to have intent behind its actions — it had none, except survival and to find safety. That says a lot about JJ's philosophy regarding "monsters." We'll see whether Abrams follows similar lines with SUPER 8, if there's even an applicable 'monster' this time.

Granite Wasps wrote:
Yeah it would make sense for it to try and make the government out to be the bad guy because it's supposed to be like to old Spelberg(misspelled) movies and i heard that they were against the government so that also works. Just by the atmosphere of the teaser I was guessing that the movie was supposed to be a monster movie and that the monster was the bad guy.


I'm not sure how young you are or what your movie-watching background is, but the point I was making earlier was that Spielberg, in the 70s-80s, went out of his way NOT to make the government the "bad guy." In fact, they were quite benign, peaceful and seeking enlightenment in CE3K — the met the aliens not with guns but with a synthesizer. That's the opposite of "bad guy" behavior.

Note how Spielberg removed the military from the equation entirely for E.T., and while the government was more aggressive in tracking the alien and preserving it as a secret, they were not hunting it down with guns either.

I don't think Spielberg relied on the easy 'crutch' of painting the government/military with a broad brush as the villain in any of his films. Even in WAR OF THE WORLDS the military fires all barrels of every weapon known with no effect against the alien invaders — but it was utterly in self-defense after attack. Much more in line with the spirit of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and the WWII view of military power, and not a paranoid shoot-first Cold War image of armed forces. I think that has a lot to do with his father coming from the WWII era.

If Abrams is truly making SUPER 8 as an homage to 70s-80s Spielberg films — which reportedly influences his career very much — then I'm not sure he'll create a story that opposite to Spielberg's sensibilities of that decade. Of course I expect Abrams in serve his own sensibilities too, which will be the wild card in what SUPER 8 is about, but the pair hardly seem like philosophical opposites to me.


You're right, I guess I miss heard. But by the way the trailer is I still think the monster might be bad. I doubt that it's going to be the cliche evil monster that wants to kill everybody kind of thing though. It will probably have some good in it but I really don't know.

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 		Thought this was the most fitting thread to post it in...
For the younger people out there who are interested in what actual Super 8 home movies looked like and the older ones to remember the good 'ole... ah, forget it Wink.
"Super 8 home movie with sound of a fishing trip on Oregon's Rogue River. From LostInLight.org" : http://www.archive.org/details/FishTripRogueRiver1979
"1979 home movie footage of kids on rides at the Fort Worth Zoo and time at home with the family." : http://www.archive.org/details/KiddieRides
Both from 1979 apparently Smile.

And the Wiki page page for the film-material that was used with Super 8 cameras: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome
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Kodachrome requires complex processing that cannot practically be carried out by amateurs. The film is sold with processing included in the purchase price except in the United States, where a 1954 legal ruling prevents this

That is probably the reason for the Kodak-frames on the official site. Trout me if it's been brought up before. On the other hand... if it's been regulated as of 1954, why would they stil have it on the reel in the US in 1979 which our film is supposed to take place/have a signicance to?

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 		hey you guys got the new paper clipping right, I was thinking about those old paper puzzles that you'd fold along dotted line or X's. I don't have a printer so has anyone tried this yet?

I might just be reaching for something, i dunno.

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 		Just wondering
I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone

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 		Re: Just wondering
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I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone


An interesting theory. JJ has covered something like this with Fringe, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't change it up a little and use it again. There were three frames in the trailer that showed a child's face. This theory also ties in with some previous speculation about the movie's title. Perhaps it's not only referring to the type of film. Perhaps there were eight telekinetic children / pre-teens. The Super Eight. Very interesting thought indeed.

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 		I believe its not Cloverfield related and I really hope not cuase I really didnt care for it.It wasnt the worse.But rental and forget it I thought.So I think and hope its fresh concept,plot,story etc. :)But who knows.
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I was just thinking that everyone keeps talking about JJ saying it's in no way related to cloverfield.......but come on. who trusts that tricky tricky Abrams as far as they can throw him? he may just be mad that fans figured out his twist too early lol jk

but on a serious note, i was looking at something about Gordon Cooper. I tried looking on the site for other tie-ins with this and didn't so thought i'd post, but if it was i'm terribly sorry for posting it again. kind of new here.

I found an article talking about how gordon cooper talked about NASA using gifted children for mind control experiments. it talks about children being used to try and perfect stuff like telekinesis, telepathy, and other mental powers. the exercises were to prepare the children to communicate with extraterrestrial beings. I was thinking that maybe either the figure flashed in the trailer is one of the test subjects of these classes, or (very unlikely but hey groups have done it in the past) the thing in the train car bursting out is a group of children. odd as it sounds, i just thought that if you notice something is hitting the side of the car but the wheel to turn and open it is turning at the same time. Maybe the children are trying to turn it to get out but they're too desperate and try to blast it open using telekinesis (yes, a bit far-fetched but hey, it's JJ). and hey, if that's the case, maybe the person in the truck is a parent of one of the kids and is trying to stop them after hearing that the government was trying to cover up something.

Also, there's a lot of background noise in the trailer, and i was thinking maybe there'd be a clue there.

And lastly on that second page in the newspaper, theres an ad for "sookie and sm" animal rescue. It just seemed like a fairly decent sized ad for a newspaper page. Could really be nothing but it's always the little things. and if someone already knows about it, good find, my bad Embarassed . It doesn't really help in the mystery of the movie but maybe these things can bring up some ideas to someone


I raised this a while ago, and we discussed it for a while. If you use the forum search function for the search term "sookie" you'll find it here:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=705529

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