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[SPEC] USAF involvement
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kosmopol
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 		OK, after a HD trailer, this screaming is in the movie. It is the driver! Or who else?

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 		Is it possibly the train conductor? I don't have audio right now or I'd help figure it out.

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 		I have posted the audio over in the trailer thread.

On the topic of USAF involvement, yes it's involved. The Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is mentioned in the audio, so I started digging around and found this little bit: http://www.ufoera.com/articles/no-ufos-at-wright-patterson-air-force-base-hanger-18_1190310981.html (last 3rd of the page), which is a letter by then US senator Barry Goldwater in which he mentions not being allowed to enter "a facility at Wright-Patterson" (Hangar 18 ).

An interesting note: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright-Patterson_Air_Force_Base) claims that "In 1976 the National Archives and Records Service in Washington, DC, became the permanent repository of the Project Sign/Grudge/Blue Book records."

So what exactly were they moving three years later in 1979?

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kosmopol wrote:
I ask myself, who screams "Oh my God" before collision.
Camera man is completely out of game, since it is not shaky handicam movie like Cloverfield. Or is it?


I'm assuming that the com chatter has nothing to do with the camera position, since it's clear that the camera isn't a handheld (it was underneath the truck as it bounced down the track).

Therefore, I would imagine the com chatter is with the train's conductor, and regardless of what's going on if I suddenly see a truck charging at me I'd probably yell the same thing.

On an unrelated note: it takes a helluva lot to derail a train, especially a military train at full speed. I've SEEN trains hit cars; that's not usually enough to do it.
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Nighthawk wrote:
On an unrelated note: it takes a helluva lot to derail a train, especially a military train at full speed. I've SEEN trains hit cars; that's not usually enough to do it.


I raised the same point in the chat earlier and was pooh poohed, it was said that in a head on collision the force would be enough to lift the train off tracks.

Watching the HD trailer, I noticed initially the train simply derails, then it starts to run into itself via momentum and then explosions start going off so my guess is the train was also carrying some sort of munitions. Which incidentally the Ravenna base was having munitions removed at the time of the crash in 1979-1980. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenna_Training_and_Logistics_Site
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 		I've been on a train that has hit a stationary car going 73 MPH. It didn't derail.

And that was a commuter train... As far as I know, most cross-country trains have the V-shaped thing in the front designed to move things out of the way.

I could check the reports, but most of the derailings I've ever heard of were due to train A hitting train B.
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 		Suspension of disbelief people! Razz

Besides, from what I can see in slow-mo, the truck veers slightly to the left right before hitting the train. Hence, hitting the locomotive specifically under it's left set of disc brakes, which could in theory cause instability. Totally trying to validate out the a**.

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I've been on a train that has hit a stationary car going 73 MPH. It didn't derail.

And, that sounds...horrific. I'm sorry, hon? *hugs*

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Suspension of disbelief people! Razz


Then what would we talk about? Razz
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degravedi wrote:

Besides, from what I can see in slow-mo, the truck veers slightly to the left right before hitting the train.


It looked to me like it split that truck di-rectly in two. I do see the swerve, though.

Ok so I just wanted an excuse to post a screen cap. I mean look at that. How freakin awesome is that.
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 		It looks to me like the truck's primary impact doesn't derail the trail, it's the wreckage that goes afoul of the driver wheel mechanism that causes the drivers to fail on the one side, and thus the locomotive shifts off the rails.

At least, that's what it looks like to me from the sidelong shot of the train right after the truck has exploded from the front of the train.
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AzureWolf wrote:
Watching the HD trailer, I noticed initially the train simply derails, then it starts to run into itself via momentum and then explosions start going off so my guess is the train was also carrying some sort of munitions. Which incidentally the Ravenna base was having munitions removed at the time of the crash in 1979-1980. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenna_Training_and_Logistics_Site

Nice way to cover a transfer of "Top-Secret" materials. Munition loads were coming from all points west and dropping off/picking up at Ravenna. (Creepy place to begin with, lol.) B.O. ran through Ravenna straight to Jersey, and just north of Wrightstown. (McGuire AFB-Fort Dix).
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Euchre wrote:
It looks to me like the truck's primary impact doesn't derail the trail, it's the wreckage that goes afoul of the driver wheel mechanism that causes the drivers to fail on the one side, and thus the locomotive shifts off the rails.

At least, that's what it looks like to me from the sidelong shot of the train right after the truck has exploded from the front of the train.


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Watching the HD trailer, I noticed initially the train simply derails, then it starts to run into itself via momentum and then explosions start going off so my guess is the train was also carrying some sort of munitions. Which incidentally the Ravenna base was having munitions removed at the time of the crash in 1979-1980.


This kind of thing definitely happens. The mention of a 73 mile hour train hitting a stationary car not de-railing is also quite possible. I was riding on a train that hit a dump truck full of gravel and let me tell you that train did not stay on the tracks. Some railroad cars did and some didn't.

Long story short, because of the immense complexity of all the physics involved in such a crash you can't look at a few seconds of video, not perform a physical analysis and say "Oh that could never happen". It is fully within the realm of possibility, be it likely or unlikely.

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agentasparagus wrote:
I have posted the audio over in the trailer thread.

On the topic of USAF involvement, yes it's involved. The Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is mentioned in the audio, so I started digging around and found this little bit: http://www.ufoera.com/articles/no-ufos-at-wright-patterson-air-force-base-hanger-18_1190310981.html (last 3rd of the page), which is a letter by then US senator Barry Goldwater in which he mentions not being allowed to enter "a facility at Wright-Patterson" (Hangar 18 ).


I used to live not too far from Wright-Pat and always heard the "fact" that the original crash from Roswell was kept in Hanger 18 before it was shipped to Area 51. Most UFO junkies in that area firmly believe it. I had even heard someone joke that Wright State University was the UFO school. Wright State is real close to Wright-Pat.

Guess what I'm saying is, that it would make sense to send something back to Wright-Pat from Area 51 as it was established in UFO mythology that things where already moved between the two.

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 		[SPEC] Wright Patterson AFB
I wanted to comment on Wright Patterson AFB considering it appears to play a role in the film. Most of you have probably heard about Hanger 18 where a UFO was stored and how the Aliens from the Roswell crash were transported to a secret underground area at Wright Patterson AFB. Probably the inspiration for the film. Perhaps we can discuss some of the conspiracies surrounding WPAFB that may help us with clues or just make interesting conversation.

I was born and raised at Wright Patterson and have heard many tales of Aliens and UFO's. Maybe we can share some of these stories and ideas in an attempt to gain some knowledge of the film? It's been a while since I have lived there but I do visit once or twice a year and I can give my best effort to give you a layout of the base as it sits today as well as how it was (from what I can recall) in the 70's and 80's. I think it's perfectly logical to use WP in a film such as this considering all the conspiracy theories surrounding this base. I have always found it to be fascinating and look forward to others POV and input. IMO WP is located in a perfect location for secret squirrel projects. Area B sits on a large hill overlooking the Miami Vally and is rumored to have a huge underground complex. It has an abundance of natural resources, bordered by Mad River and the Huffman Dam, and many quarries and lakes have also popped up over the past 50 years. Are the quarries used to make the cement for the rumored massive underground project and the remaining lakes for some type of cooling or power project? Who knows but very fascinating ideas.

Wright Field (and the adjoining Patterson Field) was the most important test and development facility of the United States Army Air Force during the Second World War. All development started here (and much was completed here as well!) Classified test and research projects flourished here during the cold war and still continues today.

Gotta run for now (kids). But I look forward to hearing any ideas or insight on this subject.

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 		By the looks of things from the trailer, the whateveritisonthetrain never makes it to WPAFB..on the train anyways..

It does open up many cans of worms tho..

Does it escape and team up with others of its ilk at the base? Or even sneak aboard a captured UFO and activate it...?

Lotsa cool possibilities.. Hope they nail the best one!

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