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The Barmaid wrote:
Yep Film, that's what's got me intrigued. Of all the newspapers in the world ever published, what's so special about this one? I do think the Kennedy speech is more relevant to this.

Kennedy speech, full spread - test bans/nukes; hidden message someone's gone underground

Poprockets & rocketman ad - astronaut recruitment ad, features link to real guy involved in UFO story

Crosswalk - J. Smith, kids nearly getting run over

Cabinet Planter - pest free indoor gardening with altered light


For me, I think the driver wanted to intercept the train but possibly not necessarily to save any cargo...maybe the whole idea was destruction, only thing or thing in the box got loose. Too early, sure, but a crazy local wanting to stop the government wouldn't be out of the question - the precursor to the teabaggers.

To the ones with the expertise on the scariest site, is there any command we could try to perhaps lead to the mystery sender him/herself? A way to get email?

What about a generic thing - most of them have admin at domain? Webmaster? Something? What about locations? Or phone numbers.

No clues from WHOIS? WE got Albert Pike and a few other leads from WHOIS on the Cloverfield game.



We're familiar with Abrams enough to know he didn't toss out some little useless thing that leads nowhere. Spielberg either. I just think with their M.O., they gave us another way "in" - not just relying on the ad, which could be a herring.

Why not make contact with Coop himself? He's been mentioned in this paper - that's either a real paper or fabricated one. Maybe he's been brought on board as a legit character?

ETA: nevermind, didn't know he was dead...mybad Laughing
yea hes well known to ufologists he died in 2007 i believe.... Smile
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 		You know what...maybe this is where we went astray.

Yes, there is an easy relevant similarity to be made between the art in the ad and astronaut Gordon Cooper...but if they'd used the actual man, they'd probably have needed permission to use his likeness, etc. so they don't get sued - especially if this is a fictionally created paper.

If it's a legitimate print of an actual paper, and the rocketpop astronaut is actually THE GCooper, then sending anything to the address is ridiculous and moot...and sorely outdated.

It could be they skirted it with a simple "Captain Coop Cooper" - and a nod to the astronaut but that's not actually who it represents...perhaps there is an IG character Captain Cooper that we could be looking up?
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You know what...maybe this is where we went astray.

Yes, there is an easy relevant similarity to be made between the art in the ad and astronaut Gordon Cooper...but if they'd used the actual man, they'd probably have needed permission to use his likeness, etc. so they don't get sued - especially if this is a fictionally created paper.

If it's a legitimate print of an actual paper, and the rocketpop astronaut is actually THE GCooper, then sending anything to the address is ridiculous and moot...and sorely outdated.

It could be they skirted it with a simple "Captain Coop Cooper" - and a nod to the astronaut but that's not actually who it represents...perhaps there is an IG character Captain Cooper that we could be looking up?
myself i believe the newspaper isnt real and cooper is “based” on real cooper and the address is next clue but this is all what i assume for myself Smile
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The Barmaid wrote:
For me, I think the driver wanted to intercept the train but possibly not necessarily to save any cargo...maybe the whole idea was destruction, only thing or thing in the box got loose. Too early, sure, but a crazy local wanting to stop the government wouldn't be out of the question


To me, from what we can see in the trailer, the truck's collision with the train is deliberate and bent on destruction for a couple of reasons:

- The truck appears to be racing toward the RR intersection as it to catch the train *before* it arrives there. Had the driver simply wanted to stop the train and maybe hijack the 'cargo', he could have simply stopped the truck on the tracks at the crossing. Good luck hijacking a military transport, but stopping the train itself would have been easy by comparison.

- The truck driver then barrels up the tracks toward the oncoming train. This takes dedication and some strength just to ride the rail ties at that speed, let alone be on a suicide mission.

- The plan seems to be quite desperate in that there's no guarantee such a truck hit would automatically cause the train to derail given the ratios of mass between them. But, to me, it's a strong indicator that the driver knew a speeding head-on was the BEST chance to derail the train, and thus the only option. Such a freighter would likely have obliterated a parked truck on the tracks and barreled ahead delivering the goods.

- I'm no expert, but it seems likely that it's easier to derail a train on 'bare' tracks than at a paved intersection, where the pavement which surrounds the rail 'gap' might well hold the train wheels in the rut and prevent a derailment. If so, the driver was intent on hitting the train down the line instead of at the intersection for that reason. This desperate action again seems to speak of intent.

- In short, the collision seems to play out like an attack on the train and/or its contents: destruction with the intent to destroy and literally derail the train's mission. Kill the 'cargo' — hopefully but with no guarantee, but this wild act was the best impromptu plan for stopping the train and hopefully doing the max amount of damage intended.

Sure looks to me like an all-or-nothing act, though I wouldn't say it was a 'crazy' act, just a very desperate one. What prompts such a desperate sacrifice may be some indicator of what's bashing its way out of that freight car.

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The Barmaid wrote:
For me, I think the driver wanted to intercept the train but possibly not necessarily to save any cargo...maybe the whole idea was destruction, only thing or thing in the box got loose. Too early, sure, but a crazy local wanting to stop the government wouldn't be out of the question


To me, from what we can see in the trailer, the truck's collision with the train is deliberate and bent on destruction for a couple of reasons:

- The truck appears to be racing toward the RR intersection as it to catch the train *before* it arrives there. Had the driver simply wanted to stop the train and maybe hijack the 'cargo', he could have simply stopped the truck on the tracks at the crossing. Good luck hijacking a military transport, but stopping the train itself would have been easy by comparison.

- The truck driver then barrels up the tracks toward the oncoming train. This takes dedication and some strength just to ride the rail ties at that speed, let alone be on a suicide mission.

- The plan seems to be quite desperate in that there's no guarantee such a truck hit would automatically cause the train to derail given the ratios of mass between them. But, to me, it's a strong indicator that the driver knew a speeding head-on was the BEST chance to derail the train, and thus the only option. Such a freighter would likely have obliterated a parked truck on the tracks and barreled ahead delivering the goods.

- I'm no expert, but it seems likely that it's easier to derail a train on 'bare' tracks than at a paved intersection, where the pavement which surrounds the rail 'gap' might well hold the train wheels in the rut and prevent a derailment. If so, the driver was intent on hitting the train down the line instead of at the intersection for that reason. This desperate action again seems to speak of intent.

- In short, the collision seems to play out like an attack on the train and/or its contents: destruction with the intent to destroy and literally derail the train's mission. Kill the 'cargo' — hopefully but with no guarantee, but this wild act was the best impromptu plan for stopping the train and hopefully doing the max amount of damage intended.

Sure looks to me like an all-or-nothing act, though I wouldn't say it was a 'crazy' act, just a very desperate one. What prompts such a desperate sacrifice may be some indicator of what's bashing its way out of that freight car.
agreed
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 		Would it be one lone truckman or perhaps there is some group out there in the area who has more scoop?

It's hard looking for ufo/area 51 "eggs" if there are any, too many "legit" whacky ufo sites...how to tell fiction from fiction? Hah!
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 		posted on super 8 news
i dunno that this is anything of importance nor if it will help but i did find it interesting
it was posted on super 8 news which alot of what is posted is pure nonsense but again i thought it was interesting

21. SS says:
May 27, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I think I just figured out what the 6 Rocket Poppeteers represent on the newspaper page stand for.

There are five pointing upwards, ready to launch, or flying around out there. Within that same space in the advertisement, it mentions that there are Six of them.

There is a sixth Rocket Poppeteer on the page. This one is laying sideways, as if landed, or more appropriately, crashed. Another interesting tidbit is that this crashed Rocket Poppeteer is pointing at, or heading into the maze. At the exit is a planet. In a maze, you are searching for a path, or means to your goal. Once the first page is inverted to decode the second, that crashed Rocket Poppeteer is angling upwards, as if ready for launch. The planet is now far overhead.

So we have one of six ships that crashed, and whatever crashed is looking for a way or a means to get back home.

Reminds me a bit of E.T.

Wait a minute, In E.T. there is a child helping the alien to try and get home. Partly the alien working through the child, but hardly with malicious intent in that movie.

In the Rocket Poppeteer logo, the child is holding a Rocket Poppeteer towards some celestial body. A child with what looks like a Grey alien hidden in the back of his shirt. The adult does not have one. And for as much as Captain "Coop" Cooper loves them, he doesn't have one either.

While I'm at it, the advertisement mentions that Coop loves Rocket Poppeteers. His suit also looks odd. Sure, the vertical and horizontal lines make sense, but the double diagonal lines don't seem to make as much sense. They aren't symmetrical.

So I got to thinking, what if they're a map? A series of intersections of roads, and the double diagonal line is a set of railroad tracks. This makes me think that whatever location that map describes, the relative location of the nozzle is of importance.

Another thing to add about Coop, his helmet. The more I look at the reflection in it, the more it looks like the scene reflected in the Super 8 camera lens. This might just be my eyes playing tricks on me, but if that's true, then what we're seeing in the middle of the Super 8 lens is of importance.

So given all of that, I'm throwing another theory out there. My mechanical creature theory earlier doesn't look as appealing. And with the additional Grey references, it may actually be the outlines of Greys that we're seeing in the flashes of the trailer.

My theory starts with what's going on in the trailer. A group of people, one being an astronaut or a potential astronaut, and a few kids, are contacted indirectly by five alien beings (and it is unknown that they are aliens). These aliens are trying to rescue their sixth member, which is now in an unsecured train car being transported. The astronaut, possibly the only one who really knows whats going on, drives his truck into the train to derail it, resulting in his death. One of the group of kids, after seeing the train wreck, picks up a somewhat intact Super 8 camera to film the wreckage while the others help to rescue whoever it is they're supposed to. What those kids see and what that camera captures is the scariest thing they ever saw: the alien creature escaping the train wreckage.

Next we fast forward a few decades to when the actual movie happens. The kids have all gone underground, being hunted by the government for the film they may not even have anymore. Or it could even be the aliens hunting the now adult kids, wanting their existence to be shrouded in secrecy.

Knowing JJ and Steve, the aliens will be seen very little in the actual movie, and yet influence events directly or indirectly. Cloverfield had the whole movie taking place during a giant monster attack, though only showed the monster a few times. Lost managed to hook people with thousands of mysteries and questions, giving few answers until further on. Both Jaws and Close Encounters took the same approach, with Bruce barely being seen (yet causing so much tension), and the alien ships and aliens themselves being only fully revealed at the end.

Slightly unrelated, but it almost looks like there is a ray shooting out of the adult's finger at the moon in the Rocket Popetteers logo. Strange. Plus, it almost looks like the glow surrounding the moon edge is actually something behind the moon


what do you guys think?
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 		I can't compare all the image analysis right now, but generally it could be plausible speculation.

Numbering those aliens in search of their missing friend sure sounds reminiscent of NIGHT SKIES.

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FilmEdge wrote:
I can't compare all the image analysis right now, but generally it could be plausible speculation.

Numbering those aliens in search of their missing friend sure sounds reminiscent of NIGHT SKIES.
very true yea i havent had time to compare all myself
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 		regarding the rocket pops pic, if you look, whatever the light is that's shining on the moon is coming from the far left as it is shining on coop and the boy too. something off the pic we can't see and they are pointing it in that direction, maybe..

anyway, in the HD trailer, mostly when the names come up, the light is always shining from the left also...
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 		Heyyy, now that you mention it... the light comes from the left. I read from the left... to right too!! It's all connected now, I see it!!

Okay, just having a laugh, carry on. Laughing

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 		I like the SS theory too, actually. Thanks for sharing that. I really appreciated him/her pointing out that very helpful reminder about that JJ and Steven M.O. - hardly showing the monsters/creatures/things at all and using the idea of it to build suspense.

The maze angle does make sense in light of the trailer - regardless of the details, the US Military is in possession of something organic in nature that it probably has no rights to, and it gets set loose. The only reason anyone would be underground would be they're bound to be a witness to something related to that event. At least Spielberg keeps consistent with having kids in the mix, kids who discover something and kids who attempt to do the right thing....so the maze and the subtle imagery makes a lot of sense in that it could be clues to what the story is....

I don't mean to "cheat" here but to me it's helpful strategy to really consider their M.O.s, things they like, to get an idea where they're shooting from...which could help us get objective and find a more probable path to be looking when we're lost.


Never played the AI one, but I'm familiar with Abrams enough to remember from Cloverfield that this same set up took place then too - finding the two sites right off the bat, one of which wasn't updated in forever...and the subtle, gradual additions to 1-18-08. That would be our Scariest site, and Slusho = rocketpops (I can never remember what those are called), even down to the *6* connection. So hopefully by mid June this will kick in ;-p

I never thought to check before I read and began to reply, just now coming up, but has anyone perhaps looked to see if any of the markings could be Morse code?
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I like the SS theory too, actually. Thanks for sharing that. I really appreciated him/her pointing out that very helpful reminder about that JJ and Steven M.O. - hardly showing the monsters/creatures/things at all and using the idea of it to build suspense.

The maze angle does make sense in light of the trailer - regardless of the details, the US Military is in possession of something organic in nature that it probably has no rights to, and it gets set loose. The only reason anyone would be underground would be they're bound to be a witness to something related to that event. At least Spielberg keeps consistent with having kids in the mix, kids who discover something and kids who attempt to do the right thing....so the maze and the subtle imagery makes a lot of sense in that it could be clues to what the story is....

I don't mean to "cheat" here but to me it's helpful strategy to really consider their M.O.s, things they like, to get an idea where they're shooting from...which could help us get objective and find a more probable path to be looking when we're lost.


Never played the AI one, but I'm familiar with Abrams enough to remember from Cloverfield that this same set up took place then too - finding the two sites right off the bat, one of which wasn't updated in forever...and the subtle, gradual additions to 1-18-08. That would be our Scariest site, and Slusho = rocketpops (I can never remember what those are called), even down to the *6* connection. So hopefully by mid June this will kick in ;-p

I never thought to check before I read and began to reply, just now coming up, but has anyone perhaps looked to see if any of the markings could be Morse code?
np glad i shared and people read y do u think mid-june? i think morse code was brought up but dont think anyone figured out so far either way
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 		Jumping in with a thought: I'd think June/July is a good window for the RP site (or others) to launch at least in-part, since that starts a year-long window of online promotion.

JJ and Paramount did the same thing with the TREK trailer/site, with the custom-produced teaser hitting screens in January of that 2008 for a December theatrical release. Later TREK got pushed back to summer of '09 which had the publicity running long and probably interrupted the flow for a while to accommodate the stretch. But originally it was on a one-year publicity schedule. I don't expect either party to change the pattern for SUPER 8, especially with an intricate ARG involved.

JJ wants to give us time to party! Rock On

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Jumping in with a thought: I'd think June/July is a good window for the RP site (or others) to launch at least in-part, since that starts a year-long window of online promotion.

JJ and Paramount did the same thing with the TREK trailer/site, with the custom-produced teaser hitting screens in January of that 2008 for a December theatrical release. Later TREK got pushed back to summer of '09 which had the publicity running long and probably interrupted the flow for a while to accommodate the stretch. But originally it was on a one-year publicity schedule. I don't expect either party to change the pattern for SUPER 8, especially with an intricate ARG involved.

JJ wants to give us time to party! Rock On
well hopefully then itll b soon
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