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 		Did anyone ever try to explain that one straggler from Sep 11-13 96?

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 		Re: 12*12 theory
See how easy it is to get confused?
AdrenalinDave wrote:
she said 12 sq foot
12*12=144
144 can also mean a gross.

What you describe is 12 ft sq (which she said), and not 12 sq ft (which you said she said).
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We measured the area, still marked by a sort of chill, to be a perfect 12 foot square

its a little vague, but it can't be a 12 square foot area, the horse wouldn't fit into it

Just a little confusion over terms. Plus you can't go 'round swapping words around willy nilly.

12 foot square <> 12 square foot, 12 foot square = 144 square foot

12 foot square is a length of 12 foot, squared (12 * 12 = 144)
12 square foot is a measurement of area

Clearer? Very Happy

(you'd expect it to be square feet, but for some reason people always say square foot when describing area)
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joebrent wrote:
Did anyone ever try to explain that one straggler from Sep 11-13 96?


Moriar wrote:
The Lincoln for event 96 is Lincoln AR,that's 500 miles from Aurora and falls in the line from Redland covering all points.


OMG.. quoting myself.. crazyness Laughing
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 		Re: my new guess
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Then i calculated the distance from event 100 and applied the same distance from event 101... it falls right in the middle of Umatilla national forest.

When I do the math it falls a bit short of Umatilla ... but Umatilla is the only National Forest anywhere close to the distance I'm expecting ... everything else is too far west as your map shows (nice by the way ... where'd you find it?). I downloaded some fresh data from the Washington State DOT to make us a custom map:



(Please excuse the crowding on the labels ... hard to show everything I want to get on there and keep the image small enough so it doesn't stretch the forum window really wide)

My line doesn't quite go through Umatilla, but there are a bunch of uncertainties about exactly where the line should be, and some issues of projection (there are no straight lines on the spherical globe ... the reality would have to be an arc along the surface of the earth, and depending on the map projection used it may or may not look like a line but rather a curve ... I've made these maps using decimal degrees/geographic coordinates whereas Beth would probably have done this on a printed map of the continental USA in some projection ... and curvature of the earth on the scale of the continental USA would be significant) so that doesn't surprise me at all.

(Just so you see what I mean ... here's what events 92-102 and what the 'line' would like it in the Lambert conformal conic projection, a pretty popular one for the conterminous USA)





I'll continue to refrain from guessing exactly where 103 will be. There are plenty of National Forests in Washington state. The Cascade Vortex looks to be in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest, on Highway 12 between Packwood and Silver Beach (just south of Rainier National Park). Based on the distance model and position of the line, it's not as attractive a choice as Umatilla, but I don't believe the model to be that accurate.

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Here's xnbomb's map (hope u wont get mad i used and modified it ;o) )

Not at all, collaboration suits me fine. I hope we do as well as we did last time Very Happy

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 		Re: my new guess
Nice map by the way, I like the gentle sweep - if it curved the other way at the ends (perhaps beyond the range of this area) it would pass for a satellite path.
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The Cascade Vortex ... ...it's not as attractive a choice as Umatilla, but I don't believe the model to be that accurate.
I've wondered for a while what would happen if an "event" occured here, what with it already having signs of a "glitch". Would the sudden absence of the phenomena constitute an event? Kinda like them cancelling each other out.

Has there been any progress on the dates. I know the last theory was thrown out by this event coming earlier than expected and a lot of people are looking to Halloween "'cos it fits elsewhere" , but is there anything to support it?
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 		I'm new here, but has anybody tried to extend the line all the way around the globe? Maybe it won't reveal anything, but we might learn something from other places it passes through.

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 		also anybody tried to do anything with the coordinates of these places, instead of using map? I mean maybe there is no 100% clear pattern visually, but maybe there is some nice number play?

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 		Where is Redland anyways? Good news for Cascade Vortex fans!
It's always important to check assumptions. One of the assumptions in the placement of the line I've used to describe the pattern in paranormal event locations is where Redland is located. Since I can't find Redland, WA on any map I know of ( Laughing ) we have to guess its location with other clues. The easy and initial assumption was that it's perhaps close to Redmond, WA where another big software company is headquartered.

But there's a problem I just found. Redmond is currently located in area code 425 (it was previously in 206 before 425 was created, looks like 425 went into effect on April 27, 1997, see here ), whereas we know Redland is in area code 206 from the MetaCortechs phone numbers we have (incidentally, plugging the prefixes from those numbers into locators justs returns Seattle, its often hard/impossible to map prefixes precisely). That doesn't tell us precisely where Redland is, but it does tells us where it is not. Check this out:



So, Redland WA could be anywhere in that 206 area ... I don't think we have any more clues to place it more precisely. But I'll tell you this ...shift Redland further south in 206, and the line gets closer to passing through the Cascade Vortex (although still missing it ... but not by a greater amount than some of the other events that are no precisely on the line).

I should mention that I haven't been positioning the line with any serious mathematical rigor ... I should probably fit a linear regression to the coordinates (good idea to use the coords themelves edmnc) ... okay, done that ... it's about the same. And that's of no help finding Redland ... the regression line you get from fitting the paranormal events passes south of 206 (shrug). It does pass pretty close to the Cascade Vortex though ... that stretch of highway 12 between Packwood and Silver Beach that is south of Rainier National Park is between 10-20 miles from the regression line, which is a drop in the bucket considering the uncertainties.

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 		I just want to give another viewpoint on the idea of a satellite orbit.

It's convenient to think of it in terms of a satellite orbit which tracks the line so far established. But the orbit doesn't have to be parallel to the line for the theory to still work. What if it's not?

Grabbing the nearest example I could find, here's the current flight path of the ISS. Sadly it's not over the US or it might have made more sense.

If you look at where it passes over Africa, the position changes with each orbit. Imagine mapping this over xnbombs excellent US maps and varying the trajectory until the lines cross the event points.

I don't have anything that could do this, otherwise I'd try it out.

But why bother? Surely it just complicates things? Rolling Eyes

It Might explain slight deviations from the straight line and it also adds a time factor to the mix. Plus I think it would make finding a date pattern easier than a path parallel to the line.

But I'm no expert on satellites, can anyone who is suggest if this is a valid idea?

Edit: Anyone who wants to see the ISS position real time can find it here (at's a Java Applet so you need Java)
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 		xnbomb, the reason all phone #s are in (206) is because of k7. Here is what they say:
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All K7 numbers are assigned randomly from an available number list in area code 206. Calls made to your K7 number are long distance for people outside the Seattle area. These calls will incur normal long distance charges from the long distance carrier used by the sender. There are no surcharges or special charges for calls made to your K7 number.


In short, fake Redland couldn't get a non-206 number. So if that's your only obstacle in equating Redland and Redmond, I'd say it's easily overcome.
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 		Or not ...
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In short, fake Redland couldn't get a non-206 number. So if that's your only obstacle in equating Redland and Redmond, I'd say it's easily overcome.

That's an excellent explanation. I'm in awe that you thought to look at the K7 site to find that out ... it hadn't occurred to me at all. Yep, that means Redland can be anywhere in Greater Seattle, and since the various parallels put it most obviously at Redmond, that's where it must be.

The judge has ruled, that earlier point for Cascade Vortex is rescinded.

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 		Re: my new guess
xnbomb wrote:

(nice by the way ... where'd you find it?).


Here's the link to all america's national parks maps......

You may find it useful if the pattern continues this way ;o)

http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/finder.shtml
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 		Marl, I like the idea equating the event-plot with a satellite orbit, but I feel compelled to debunk it.

The big thing standing in the way of this one is that the curve of the events-plot is too shallow: if you continue to plot this curve then it levels out before it gets past the equator, and I don't know that we have satellite technology sufficient to only orbit the northern hemisphere at LEO or MEO.... Very Happy

It certainly isn't a GEO sat, otherwise we'd just have the one area which that satellite's footprint covers

Again with the footprint... WHOMP...

[EDIT] and for those who need a quick primer in satellite terminology...

LEO = Low Earth Orbit
MEO = Medium Earth Orbit
GEO = Geostationary Orbit.

LEO and MEO sats orbit the earth in an osciallating pattern, thus having a roving footprint dependant on their altitude. GEO sats orbit the earth such that they effectively remain stationary above a given point on the earths' surface (typically used for point-to-point communications. More pricy too, than LEO or MEO sats as it takes more to get them there, and keep them in the same spot)

[2nd EDIT] Props to xnbomb for pointing this out to me, but I can see the possibility that this event plot-line is drawn from subsequent orbits of a L/MEO satellite, although this would imply significant timespans between events. It is a possibility... so sorry if I misunderstood you there Marl... Very Happy
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so sorry if I misunderstood you there Marl... Very Happy
No problem. Very Happy
I was in two minds about posting the idea anyway:- I had the concept clear in my mind, but found it really awkward to explain.

One analogy I considered was a vertical line on a TV screen - the line runs top to bottom, but is drawn by subsequent passes of a beam perpendicular to it.

I don't mind too much if only one or two "got it", I just wanted it out there and not festering in my head.

As to the point about the shallow orbit, yeah perhaps the ISS is not the best example of possible orbit paths Very Happy

BTW, does America have Lay Lines?

The UK is litterred with them and they are often linked to mysteries and phenomena of this type.

Just trying to find a reason for the line
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BTW, does America have Lay Lines?


You mean the stuff witches use to communicate telepathically? I don't know...

But the line does synch up with the jet stream, for what it's worth.

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