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jiblington
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@seeker, yeah i get all that, im a uni student doing record production at the mo and have a few good years experience on digital but havent used any analogue formats, has anyone tried really playing around with the audio on pro tools or cubase? ive only got access to audacity at the mo

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jiblington
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also cant you just use one mic and record to a stereo track, to make both tracks identical, i do it all the time when recording vocals coz im too lazy to double track, if the note portions are different and the static identical could this mean they were recorded seperately and bounced down to one stereo track? there could be something hidden in there, next time i get near protools im gonna do some heavey EQing to see if theres anything prominent at certain frequencies, im guessing this has already been done to some degree but im obv not sure how many people here have access to a recording studio

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SeekerX
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There was someone who messed with it in Protools as far as I remember, but that didn't bring up anything either imo. On the other hand, the PR-agency shouldn't make us have the need to go all the way to those professionell software/s. Like, freeware and a basic understanding should fulfill the needs to find clues, right?

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jiblington
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yeah that does make more sense then needing a full on studio set up, just thought it might help if all else has failed, if its been done then theres no need though, probably looking at it from the wrong angle

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jiblington wrote:
also cant you just use one mic and record to a stereo track, to make both tracks identical,

You can do that, sure. But that is exactly the issue. The two tracks are not exactly the same. They differ in frequencies in the "note-portion". And not in a way that was gained by processing them in any way afterwards, imo. Do it yourself, phase- inverse one channel and then mix it with the other one. The noise extincts itself while there is stil some energy left in the notes.

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jiblington
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i'll have a look, i think maybe deep down i just wanted an excuse to go over the top on the audio part as thats a bit more down my alley

also i was trying to get at what if the note portion was recorded entirely separately from the noise portion, multi tracked and bounced down into one stereo track like you would do for mastering drums(well ive been taught too anyway, apparently its more tidy not that most people here care, lol)
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I heavily encourage you to Smile. It's good to have someone here who is actually studying in this field.

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jiblington
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i'll have a go on monday if i can, the uni is on summer holidays at the mo but im pretty sure i can go in and use the studios we have and we have a few sound techs about with a few decades of experience who might be able to give me a hand if theyre about
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jiblington wrote:
also i was trying to get at what if the note portion was recorded entirely separately from the noise portion


That's also an alternative. Might be. The noise and notes are all compressed. The notes might have been used as side-chain on a compressor to the noise. Well, you know what I mean Smile. But, why should that have been done. Seems not really logic.

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jiblington wrote:
have a few sound techs about with a few decades of experience who might be able to give me a hand if theyre about

That would be awesome Smile.

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jiblington
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just a thought but how have people gotten a copy of this audio file of the internet? i downloaded a copy of the forum here somewhere but i thought, if this was recorded off the net rather then a direct copy we could have lost some of any hidden message if the recording had too low a bitrate, basically im asking how close to the original file can we get?
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jiblington wrote:
just a thought but how have people gotten a copy of this audio file of the internet? i downloaded a copy of the forum here somewhere but i thought, if this was recorded off the net rather then a direct copy we could have lost some of any hidden message if the recording had too low a bitrate, basically im asking how close to the original file can we get?

As was discussed previously, the data was extracted from the swf file. (the flash animation that runs the emulator)

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jiblington
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yeah i read that but does that mean its identical to the original in file size and in bitrate? i know im prob going OTT on the audio side of things but its my speciality and im just saying that when you use a smaller bitrate or sample rate you lose some of the original recorded audio and its filled in by your computer, if there is a hidden message it could be rendered inaudible if we lose that portion of the original audio
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If your soundcard drivers support the "record what you hear" function, you are as close as it gets. Otherwise, I don't really remember where the file from this forum came up. But I guess by that way or a rip-off the site. Don't take RasGolds file though, it isn't safe.

Edit: overhauled while posting Smile

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RasGold
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"Unsafe?"

SeekerX wrote:
If your soundcard drivers support the "record what you hear" function, you are as close as it gets. ... Don't take RasGolds file though, it isn't safe.

Edit: overhauled while posting Smile

Er ... How can the file be "unsafe?"

I'm playing fare. I uploaded the file the only way I could.

We still have nearly a year of this to go.
In a couple weeks, I will have a bit more free time to see if I can duplicate my recording process.
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