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SeekerX
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OK, I didn't actually repeat your experiment with connecting one pc to the other via line-in but I highly doubt what you came up with has any meaning.
When I have time and opportunity I will, until then I regard those ethereal noises as bollocks.
Recording something from "what you hear"- drivers or ripping it off the site is much more valuable and true than any other means of getting at it.
Therefore, your file is the least one I would speculate upon.

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SeekerX wrote:
... Therefore, your file is the least one I would speculate upon.

S'cool.

I didn't post it (the mysterious audio) as part of the "In Game" process.
The audio just threw me for a loop, and I was just wondering if any others noticed the STIES site was emitting "noises" that we don't know about (or hear).

I just thought it was such an odd find I needed opinions of what it was.

That is all.
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cboyd0319
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STIES Noises

I've decompiled the flash file for the site. There are only two audio files in there. The tones file and the sound you hear when you click on the taskbar buttons.

Try to do the same recording, but this time, just leave the lines connected to your pc and hit record without starting any audio. I have a feeling that some of the noise that you hear may be generated from your own PC.

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Re: STIES Noises

cboyd0319 wrote:
I've decompiled the flash file for the site. There are only two audio files in there. The tones file and the sound you hear when you click on the taskbar buttons.

Try to do the same recording, but this time, just leave the lines connected to your pc and hit record without starting any audio. I have a feeling that some of the noise that you hear may be generated from your own PC.


Here is the sound file for when you click on the taskbar buttons. The file name is "sound 89 (over to down ).mp3". The comments section for the file has this in it "000000C7 000000C7 000001E1 000001E1 000000B9 000000B9 0000359E 0000359E 0000005C 0000005C"

The file name for the tones file is "sound 3". I won't re-upload that since you can get it anywhere. This file doesn't have any comments.

[Edit] This is the audio file that you hear when you click on the taskbar buttons in the STIES site. I decompiled and pulled this directly from the flash file.

Comments in this file are "000000C7 000000C7 000001E1 000001E1 000000B9 000000B9 0000359E 000035


[Edit]Removed stretchy file comments and appended to post - MikeyJ
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OK, so I picked it up the 30th Anny Edition of Close Encounters on Blu-ray for $15 at Wal-Mart and watched it last night. Very cool to see how the super 8 trailer pays respect to Spielberg. It's inspiration was very notable in the interview with Spielberg where he spoke about his personal inspirations and intellectual views. What I found most interesting was the part about the 5 tone/note motif created by John Williams. The interview was very intriguing, I tried to find a link to the video on line but had no luck. In regards to the motif he basically stated that music is math and math is the universal language, which we already knew. In the film the tones used were part of the solfege scale invented by the Reverend John Curwen and linked to hand signs adapted by composer Zoltán Kódaly in order to play music for deaf children. It was also implied to be a greeting; H-E-L-L-O. So knowing JJ, the tones downloaded in this Braegen14 file link to either math or letters, again nothing we already didn't know. Now I am by no means a musician or hand sign expert, nor am I a mathematician, heck I cannot even figure out my 6th grade son's math homework. Point being, the answer is there and we just gotta refocus our efforts and figure it out. I tried to link the hand signs from the Kódaly method but have no clue as to how you get H-E-L-L-O out of it. My brain is like pudding now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kod%C3%A1ly_Method#Hand_signs
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The tones were picked so that the notes sounded like a H-E-L-L-O in musical form. Steven Spielberg, the director of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, said that "it shouldn't even be a melody: it should be more like somebody pushing a doorbell. Like Avon calling, you know. 'Ding Dong.'

You play the 5 note motif in the order indicated below. (The C major scale below is written in Scientific pitch notation. Refer to the Related Links section below)

C4 D4 E4 F4 G4 A4 B4 C5 D5 E5 F5 G5 A5 B5 C6 ....<< Major Scale
.4..................5..............3...1...2 ...............................<< Order you play the notes
do. re me fa so. la. te. Do Re Me ..............................<< Notes in "Doe Ray Mee" form

C4 is "middle C" and A4 has a pitch of 440 cycles/second

It is interesting to observe that these notes are all harmonics.
What this means is that if you let the note C2 be the fundamental or first harmonic of a string or something, then as indicated below, the note C3 is the 2nd harmonic of the string, the note G3 is the 3rd harmonic of the string and so on.
( The 7th harmonic is not a note in the major diatonic scale)

Refer to the below "diagram"

.1..................................2..................3.............4........5........6......X.....8...9..10 ......<<Harmonics
C2 D2 E2 F2 G2 A2 B2 C3 D3 E3 F3 G3 A3 B3 C4 D4 E4 F4 G4 A4 B4 C5 D5 E5 ......<<Major Scale
........................................................................4..................5.............3...1...2 .......<< Order you play
Do Re Me Fa So La Te. Do Re Me Fa So La Te. Do Re Me Fa So La Te Do Re Me

(The truth is that with the exception of the octaves, harmonics do not correspond exactly with the notes in the diatonic scale, but they are intentionally close)

As indicated above, to generate the motif you would pluck the harmonics in the following order.
9th then 10th then 8th then 4th then 6th.(If you have a guitar you might try doing just that!)

Refer to the related links in the Related Links section below to play the notes using an applet on the web. When running the applet, on your keyboard, you press the keys in this order L ; K A G (Or you can use your mouse)


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Re: STIES Noises

cboyd0319 wrote:
The comments section for the file has this in it "000000C7 000000C7 000001E1 000001E1 000000B9 000000B9 0000359E 0000359E 0000005C 0000005C"

That's data put in by iTunes or another Apple encoding product. I believe that's the EQ data you can embed via iTunes.
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Re: STIES Noises

The only way for these comments to get into this file was if the programmer put them there, or he loaded the file into iTunes and added that randomness.

The one that I uploaded was pulled directly from the flash file and I only used VLC to listen to them, which doesn't alter the file. Since the other sound (the tones) didn't have any comments, I thought that it was worth mentioning.

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Re: STIES Noises

Euchre wrote:
cboyd0319 wrote:
The comments section for the file has this in it "000000C7 000000C7 000001E1 000001E1 000000B9 000000B9 0000359E 0000359E 0000005C 0000005C"

That's data put in by iTunes or another Apple encoding product. I believe that's the EQ data you can embed via iTunes.


it looks like hex color code, different shades of blue.

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SeekerX wrote:
You're right Tracker. Room- acoustics would also alter the signal from channel to channel.
I'm sorry, I don't really get your second sentence, "The fact that the noise at the end of the file is so much more precise between channels makes me think the "noise" might be digital corruption as well." Would you explain that a little more?
And just to clarify: with "noise" I was talking about the generell noise between the notes.

I thought you meant the noise at the end of the file. Although, it is quite intriguing that the noise between/behind the tones doesn't show variation between left and right.

Thinking you were talking about the last noise of the file, I was saying it confirmed the theories about digital corruption of the file since the rest had variation between left and right while the last noise did not. Does that make more sense?

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Re: STIES Noises

severrin wrote:
Euchre wrote:
cboyd0319 wrote:
The comments section for the file has this in it "000000C7 000000C7 000001E1 000001E1 000000B9 000000B9 0000359E 0000359E 0000005C 0000005C"

That's data put in by iTunes or another Apple encoding product. I believe that's the EQ data you can embed via iTunes.


it looks like hex color code, different shades of blue.


It is my understanding that hex color codes only have six digits. There are eight digits in each of the blocks of characters in that comment.

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SeekerX
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Tracker_56 wrote:

Thinking you were talking about the last noise of the file, I was saying it confirmed the theories about digital corruption of the file since the rest had variation between left and right while the last noise did not. Does that make more sense?

OK, now I get you. So it was a missunderstanding. There is quite some difference between channels on that last noise, the 9th peak.

I had another listen to gefenm11's "expcnv_noise_cancelled" file. I cut out all the remains of the notes and the 9th peak and then normalized what was left to -3 db. Turns out it is not completely silent there. Don't know if this means that the noise actually is not exactly the same on both channels or if it's just because of mp3 quality.
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I don't know how relevant this is, but if you upload the expcnv file to audacity, put it at 22050Hz, and the last little bit, the "silence" at the end, if you amplify that some, enough to see the wavelengths, you can hear 3 beeps

at first i only heard 2, then i put on some headphones and heard 3, you can't hear them unless you amplify and lower the Hz as they're at roughly .2 intervals, i heard them at 16000Hz and 22050Hz (some default intervals)

Edit: If you add in Noise Removal to the mix, then the beeps turn into a ringing. Noise Remove the whole file and you get less "Notes" but you can still hear them, the whole file, tho, has the ringing in it, and the "note" before the final one, where some are saying the left is different then the right, well, the right doesn't have a "note" after the removal of the background noise

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ok im not sure if this has been covered but i tried searching and couldnt find it, but with this audio file the main points ive picked up on is that the left and right note portion of the audio is slightly different but the noise is the same on both tracks when you look at the sound waves, as far as im aware as a trainee record producer this is easy to achieve by multi track recording everything(recording each instrument or part seperately) and then mixing them down to one stereo file, if one instrument or part is panned more to the left then the right, even a tiny amount it will cause that part of the sound wave to look different on the tracks whereas the parts that are not panned will look identical on both, again sorry if thats been covered or is basic knowledge to the rest of the world outside music people, or if ive missed the point entirely.
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I'm not sure there's even a way to do this, but has anybody tried to send the sound file through a fax machine?

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GeniferB wrote:
I'm not sure there's even a way to do this, but has anybody tried to send the sound file through a fax machine?

That's not a fax machine sound recording. ( i know the fax sound for sure, i can wistle it Confused )

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