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[NoMoreGaems]

Man, I haven't done one of my creepily detailed reviews of a Tribe Twelve episode in a while, have I. I think I'll give Happy Birthday a good looking over tomorrow or maybe saturday, write something up, then go back and... hmmmm, maybe try picking up where I left off with the whole series retrospective. Kinda daunting, but I think I left off right before the short video.

[MissAnna]

[Blinus]

[Lumine]

I personally think the collective are former Nazi Scientists who keep roaming body to body. Or at least possessed Nazi Scientists at some point.

[hsemagliG]

 

[TheCuza]

You're questions go through if you don't have an account, right?
Because he hasn't answered any of mine.

[YinYang]

[IonCharge]

Theory time...
unless some one else has come up with this one.

The Observer and all his friends each have a vessel (confirmed by the formspring questions). However say the Observer is new. He needs a vessel, so he picks Milo, to begin a "session" of making him a host basically, so that the Observer can live inside his body, basically. However, Milo ends up OD'ing on these pain killers, because the Observer taking control of him is just too painful. Because he died, his body is now empty, which is now the Observer's shell as it were. But because he did not complete his session, Milo's body is deteriorating, meaning the Observer can't live in it for an unknown amount of time.
This is why the Observer is using Noah, because then he can have a host whose body is not damaged. So, while he's at it, he and his group of friends decide to use Noah to their advantage, using him and his relation to his Grandfather to get the notebook that they seek because it contains whatever information they want to learn of/destroy/hide. This could be the reason the Observer chose his Noah to be a "replacement" because he is related to the current owner of the notebook.

/theory

[MissAnna]

Observer said at one point that while his mind came from his Keeper, he is living in the body of his former self. Personally, I believe that his host (which may or may not be Liam), really sort of is who he used to be. I don't believe the collective were former Nazis or former Nazi victims or anything like that.

I believe that when someone becomes part of the collective, it's like Slenderman merges himself with the mind of one of his victims. So there's the original mind of the person (which must be kept alive to keep the body alive, and can sometimes resurface when concentration is lost. ex/ during the phone call), the mind of Slenderman (which is still in sync with Slenderman main, which is how he controls his supporters), and then there is the hybrid mind which becomes its own entity (Observer, Cursor, Deadhead, etc.). When Observer speaks about the collective being present in WWII, he may not necessarily be speaking about any member in particular, but past members who may not go out into the world any more because of the age of their vessels, or whose vessels may have died and were absorbed back into the mind of Slenderman or something. Because they all share a piece of Slenderman, they all share the knowledge of what happened there, but they weren't necessarily there themselves. Perhaps some members of the collective were Nazis, or perhaps they were simply at the right age to attend the "event," but I don't think that all the members of the collective are Nazis. I think the collective is bigger than that.

As far as Milo is concerned, reading over Observer's statements on Milo has led me to believe that somewhere during Observer's attempts to get Milo to "end his session" something changed, and Observer realized Milo could no longer do this. The only option left then was that Milo must die. When Observer said that he helped Milo kill himself, I think what he means is that he drove him to suicide, or provided the pills, or something. Perhaps convinced him that suicide would set him free. But Milo took the pills of his own free will. It wasn't Observer's initial plan, but something changed in the process and it became the next best option.

I still don't know what is required to end a session for one of the collective, or what changed so that Milo was no longer viable to do this. But I don't think the collective is going after Milo or Noah as potential hosts. I think the collective members are "born" already inside their vessels, because they exist as their vessel's mind crossed with their keeper's. I don't think they are capable of taking other hosts.

[IonCharge]

[Blinus]

Did my best here with the foreign language stuff.

[TheCuza]

I just thought of something.

Observer could only name four of his co-workers.

One of them uses a female vessel.

What if those four are using the EMH gang as vessels? We haven't heard anything from EMH in a while, and he does have that clip he used in Happy Birthday.

[foxgreen]

[Gimme20dollaz]

You guys have missed a REALLY big clue.

[BranRainey]