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TheLonelyLemon
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 		I think Noah is a white pawn because he works against the Collective. Why would a black piece work against it's own team? Also, in Chess, you "take" other pieces. I think this is a metaphor for when the Collective "takes" Noah and do what they want to do. Pawns are also usually known in real life for being gullible or really easy to take advantage of.

I'm pretty sure Noah is a pawn, but for what team?

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bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
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you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz

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 		Thanks for the positive reception to theory Very Happy

I think there might be a hole in how Liam is placed into the collective as a little kid. It's possible it doesn't matter because of how time works in the Collective's dimension, and it may have something to do with his title of "The Stubborn".

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She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.

Cursor means messenger or carrier in Latin. I think she's more of a Hermes then an old with-lady.


"Carrier" would have the same implication, like carrying a virus.

Then again, it could mean messenger, but I still don't see how it couldn't be Mary. She's so pivotal to the series and it would make sense for someone with as much influence over events in the series as her to be in the collective.

Side notes: While we're on the subject of the collective:

A: Does anybody have a clue about anything relating to Swain besides him probably being involved in WW2 based on his attire?

B: Is it possible Deadhead is Sebastian?

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Thanks for the positive reception to theory Very Happy

I think there might be a hole in how Liam is placed into the collective as a little kid. It's possible it doesn't matter because of how time works in the Collective's dimension, and it may have something to do with his title of "The Stubborn".

bgchaosdude wrote:
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She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.

Cursor means messenger or carrier in Latin. I think she's more of a Hermes then an old with-lady.


"Carrier" would have the same implication, like carrying a virus.

Then again, it could mean messenger, but I still don't see how it couldn't be Mary. She's so pivotal to the series and it would make sense for someone with as much influence over events in the series as her to be in the collective.

Side notes: While we're on the subject of the collective:

A: Does anybody have a clue about anything relating to Swain besides him probably being involved in WW2 based on his attire?

B: Is it possible Deadhead is Sebastian?



Deadhead and Swain are the 2 characters most people think to be sebastian, however, Deadhead seems to be the widely accepted role he would fill, as his skull mask is a symbol from Nazi Germany.

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 		Can someone remind me of who Liam is?

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TheLonelyLemon wrote:
I think Noah is a white pawn because he works against the Collective. Why would a black piece work against it's own team? Also, in Chess, you "take" other pieces. I think this is a metaphor for when the Collective "takes" Noah and do what they want to do. Pawns are also usually known in real life for being gullible or really easy to take advantage of.

I'm pretty sure Noah is a pawn, but for what team?


Noah isn't working against the collective, only against the observer, and mostly only because the observer started kinda manipulating him and invading his private space. He wanted to take complete control over Noah, so the observer could play his own strategy but not die if something went wrong.
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alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.
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bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.


Yes, but we know Firebrand is the King for white and Slendy is the King of black, that would not exclude Sarah from being any other piece after being taken and converted which is again, language used by the Observer.

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Firstly, I find it odd that Noah would be his own best friend seraphim, while that is mighty philosophical, I tend to think Firebrand was talking in a more literal sense.
What evidence do you have for that, though? I mean, the Liam theory requires that Noah had his memory erased and had forgotten about Liam. There is definitely a connection between Liam and Noah but the "they were best friends" part requires some speculation that we just don't have any in-game evidence to back up.

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The fact that you link Noah to being "the stubborn one" I kinda must disagree as Noah gave up, and still says he would rather just have died, that doesn't sound very stubborn to me.
Noah has stubbornly refused to give into the Observer's demands. He did not retrieve the journal and is willing to face assimilation or death rather than go to the boardwalk. I will admit that this point would be more accurately applied to Firebrand himself, who is stubbornly refusing to cave in to the Keeper as much as possible by helping Noah.

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If anything, the fact that Milo refused to seek help for his personal problems( those with the collective of course) which led to his death paints him more as the stubborn one.
I think there was a lot more than personal problems that led to Milo's death. It has been strongly hinted that a certain somewhere(read: Observer) helped him along.

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You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.
I suspect that Noah is merely being taunted here or the Observer is hinting at his being outside of time. I think it's clear from the progression of the series that this is VERY personal for Noah. His friends, his family, everything from his childhood, leads us to believe that Noah is important in some way and is more important than simply a mere pawn.

Sarah was a white pawn(as has been pointed out). She did not "become" anything but yet was considered a piece.

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Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.
The biggest problem with this statement is that the Collective is not compromised entirely of black pieces. It's clear that some pieces are more "compliant" than others. We're not completely sure how it works, but it seems clear that some pieces have free will outside of the Keeper's control. If Noah was/is converted, he doesn't need to be a black piece. I don't think he's a pawn either. I think he's the central piece, the white king, and that's why Noah is Firebrand.

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alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.


Yes, but we know Firebrand is the King for white and Slendy is the King of black, that would not exclude Sarah from being any other piece after being taken and converted which is again, language used by the Observer.


Dammit noah why must you use so many double meanings?
Again, in a game of chess you can't convert a game piece after taking it, meaning that sarah is gone for good. The observer uses "taken" as a chess term, not everday term
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The biggest problem with this statement is that the Collective is not compromised entirely of black pieces.


I'm sure Adam himself said that it was, the link was posted a few pages ago. Sad

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bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


Sorry for destroying your theory but:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
TTOOG tumblr:
Before me revamp, I had different colors for pieces. Now, I think it's safe to assume that all of the collective members are black pieces, and all of the white pieces are Noah, Milo and the rest of the humans.
http://bit.ly/PT9FFR


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 		lol I like how I buried myself by trying to support my belief that "noah=/=firebrand" with other theories.
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bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.


Yes, but we know Firebrand is the King for white and Slendy is the King of black, that would not exclude Sarah from being any other piece after being taken and converted which is again, language used by the Observer.


Dammit noah why must you use so many double meanings?
Again, in a game of chess you can't convert a game piece after taking it, meaning that sarah is gone for good. The observer uses "taken" as a chess term, not everday term


we have been over this though, you can convert a pawn into a different piece after it has been taken, as long as it crosses over the length of the board. and the Observer also uses the term "convert" so why could this not seem to be a possibility? I think the rules and terms that go along with the game of chess, can have hidden meanings within the game, and also add to the plot of the story. For example, Milo was "taken" after he had died, and many think he is now one of the collective members, who's to say Sarah cant be the same deal?

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Tails wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


Sorry for destroying your theory but:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
TTOOG tumblr:
Before me revamp, I had different colors for pieces. Now, I think it's safe to assume that all of the collective members are black pieces, and all of the white pieces are Noah, Milo and the rest of the humans.
http://bit.ly/PT9FFR



That doesn't explain Firebrand though, unless he now has confirmed Milo is Firebrand.

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