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bgchaosdude
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Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
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There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
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you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.


Yes, but we know Firebrand is the King for white and Slendy is the King of black, that would not exclude Sarah from being any other piece after being taken and converted which is again, language used by the Observer.


Dammit noah why must you use so many double meanings?
Again, in a game of chess you can't convert a game piece after taking it, meaning that sarah is gone for good. The observer uses "taken" as a chess term, not everday term


we have been over this though, you can convert a pawn into a different piece after it has been taken, as long as it crosses over the length of the board. and the Observer also uses the term "convert" so why could this not seem to be a possibility? I think the rules and terms that go along with the game of chess, can have hidden meanings within the game, and also add to the plot of the story. For example, Milo was "taken" after he had died, and many think he is now one of the collective members, who's to say Sarah cant be the same deal?


DERP I MISREAD SOMETHING, my bad. When you say "convert a pawn into a different piece" I see it as "white->black" but you mean "pieceA->pieceB". I think... I don't even know anymore. It's hard having to remember all of everything at the same time when writing theories Sad
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bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


How do you explain Sarah then? She was (I guess you could say) on Noah's side, and when the Observer kills her, he says "black rook takes white pawn" would that not mean Noah is also a white pawn? I guess I can kinda buy into the whole, Noah is no chess piece and has a special purpose in the game, but I will need to see more evidence.


Imagine Kat and Sarah as white pawns and Noah as obviously black. Sarah and Noah were in front of each other, they just chatted and visited, but one couldn't take the other one out. However Kat was next to sarah, diagonal from Noah, meaning Noah could take her out.



Has anyone ever thought of the meaning behind the chess pieces in a more "literal" term, chess pieces, in the game of chess, "take" the enemies pieces, this could also support why the Observer wants to "take" Noah, he is a piece in the game, and I doubt black would take black in a game of chess, and also, maybe sarah is now part of the black collective, as "black rook has taken white pawn"


The observer never wanted to take Noah out... he's just manipulating him to get the journal. And if you really mean by literal than sarah couldn't be in the collective since you can't transfer pieces after you've taken them


But you can obtain pieces by moving a piece to the opposite side of the board, and even then, the in the literal sense, that means sarah was originally on the white side and black has now taken her. Plus the Observer constantly refers to taking Noah.

edit: somewhat ninja'd Razz


Well you can convert pawns into other pieces yes, but you can't make them into a king. Anything but.


Yes, but we know Firebrand is the King for white and Slendy is the King of black, that would not exclude Sarah from being any other piece after being taken and converted which is again, language used by the Observer.


Dammit noah why must you use so many double meanings?
Again, in a game of chess you can't convert a game piece after taking it, meaning that sarah is gone for good. The observer uses "taken" as a chess term, not everday term


we have been over this though, you can convert a pawn into a different piece after it has been taken, as long as it crosses over the length of the board. and the Observer also uses the term "convert" so why could this not seem to be a possibility? I think the rules and terms that go along with the game of chess, can have hidden meanings within the game, and also add to the plot of the story. For example, Milo was "taken" after he had died, and many think he is now one of the collective members, who's to say Sarah cant be the same deal?


DERP I MISREAD SOMETHING, my bad. When you say "convert a pawn into a different piece" I see it as "white->black" but you mean "pieceA->pieceB". I think... I don't even know anymore. It's hard having to remember all of everything at the same time when writing theories Sad


haha no worries! and yeah that is what i mean Razz using the theory that Milo is at least SOME member of the collective after being taken as an example.

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 		Is Firebrand a black piece then? If so, what type of piece is he?

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Seraphim wrote:
Is Firebrand a black piece then? If so, what type of piece is he?


this is a good question, UNLESS, he is saying maybe Firebrand has broken away from the collective now somehow and is now working against them?

Edit: the Wiki is going to have fun with updating now, deciding what Firebrand is now xD

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Tails wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Ok here we go...
Noah is a pawn and definitely not firebrand. The observer specifically mentions that
Quote:
There are innumerable candidates. And innumerable sessions

You know what that means? Yup, noah is just a pawn. There are others who could easily replace him, and in a game of chess a pawn is easily replaced and sometimes not even needed at all.

Hell, Noah might not even be a pawn, but a pre-black piece instead. The observer says
Quote:
you will become
but doesn't finish since he is disrupted by firebrand. Obviously Noah will become part of the collective, and when in a game of chess have you ever given your opponent a piece, let alone a king? The observer would have probably recruited Noah to his team if Firebrand didn't go all badass.

He might even be a black piece instead. I put my money that white is defending the journal, and black is trying to get it, and the observer is trying to get it. Since the observer is a rook, he's kind of cornered and doesn't have that much space, sending a pawn would be much easier to do.

There we have it. Not only is noah not firebrand, not only is noah not in the white team, but I say he's on the black team, and a pawn even.


Sorry for destroying your theory but:
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TTOOG tumblr:
Before me revamp, I had different colors for pieces. Now, I think it's safe to assume that all of the collective members are black pieces, and all of the white pieces are Noah, Milo and the rest of the humans.
http://bit.ly/PT9FFR


I would like to think that the observer received a tentacle-spanking from slendy because in-game he goofed up so much to the point of confusing what side HIS OWN TEAM WAS
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 		...Wouldn't that mean the only people technically in the collective are Deadhead and The Observer?

That would be weird.

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 		Also, I've seen some speculation as to Mary being a part of the collective, but from the evidence we have up until now Mary isn't a likely candidate for being a collective member, in her phone call to Noah she asks him who Mr.Scars is, and Id assume if she were in the collective she'd know her own members.

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 		I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys
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bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys


Im thinking that he is just going to deal with the major pieces, and not include more than 1 of the pieces that there are 2 of on the board (aka, 1 knight, 1 rook, 1 bishop.) per side. Now, we know Firebrand is not a black piece exactly, otherwise he would not be aiding Noah, and we know that Mr.Scars is referred to as a pawn. That means of the 5 pieces, there are 5 collective members that fit those pieces. So the same must be true for the "humans"

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bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys


Actually the Collective is everyone in the world, I think. Them numbers.

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 		Let's break it down to what we know about the Collective:
1. The Observer has revealed that there are eight prominent members of the Collective, including the Keeper(aka Slenderman), who is the leader
2. The Collective exists outside of the timestream, in something called the Fourth World, and seem to be able to travel through time
3. The Collective needs vessels in order to come into our world.
4. Kevin is the Observer's vessel, and seems to be in control of him most of the time(though not ALL the time)
5. This would imply that ALL of the active Collective members need vessels. Whether or not these vessels need to be living is questionable
6. The Observer has assigned chess pieces to all of the members of the Collective.
7. However, you do not need to be a member of the Collective to have a chess piece.

Some extrapolations from these facts:

Milo is likely a vessel, hence the disappearance of his body. I think he's most likely Mr. Scars, who is referred to both as the chess piece the white rook and as a pawn. His pawnness might come from the fact that he's actually a corpse.
Mary Asher is probably not a vessel at this point
Noah MIGHT be a vessel. He seems to lose control at points(like murdering Kat) but clearly he does have some large degree of control, if the Observer feels the need to actively antagonize him
This seems to imply that everyone has the potential to be a vessel but they need to be brought to the fourth world to fully become a vessel
Noah needs to not be a member of the Collective to retrieve the journal and use it, which might be why he's not a member of the Collective right now

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Seraphim wrote:

5. This would imply that ALL of the active Collective members need vessels. Whether or not these vessels need to be living is questionable


They might all NEED vessels, but I don't think all of them do have vessels, at least currently. I think the only ones who might have a vessel are the observer and firebrand, as they are the only ones we have seen in person.
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bgchaosdude wrote:
Seraphim wrote:

5. This would imply that ALL of the active Collective members need vessels. Whether or not these vessels need to be living is questionable


They might all NEED vessels, but I don't think all of them do have vessels, at least currently. I think the only ones who might have a vessel are the observer and firebrand, as they are the only ones we have seen in person.


The twitpics seem to show they all have bodies.

Especially Deadhead.

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 		I suspect Mr. Scars and Deadhead currently have vessels as well.

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bgchaosdude wrote:
Seraphim wrote:

5. This would imply that ALL of the active Collective members need vessels. Whether or not these vessels need to be living is questionable


They might all NEED vessels, but I don't think all of them do have vessels, at least currently. I think the only ones who might have a vessel are the observer and firebrand, as they are the only ones we have seen in person.


Speaking of seeing things in person, why haven't seen the rest of the Collective in person? We've only seen the Observer, the Keeper, and Firebrand. Are they the only ones who are commited to this game or what?

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