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alaitoc
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icy780 wrote:
TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Apparently Henka Visae has been dead for awhile.

Also, I don't think Karl is a part of the Coolective because if the box was in his possession, why wouldn't he just give his box to his cult.


Some people believe Karl could be Persolus (either the white knight or bishop). If he is Persolus, therefore on the white side, he wants to keep the box and journal from the black team.


we've discussed the white vs. black collective but adam OOG kinda explained that collective are now all balck.

http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650892402/the-observer-saying-that-there-are-innumerable#notes

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bgchaosdude wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
I suspect Mr. Scars and Deadhead currently have vessels as well.


I think:

-Observer = Kevin. This is 99% confirmed.

-Firebrand = Liam, I explained that already.

-Deadhead = Sebastian. Maybe. He's almost assured to be a Nazi, and Sebastian fits the role well with the journal's involvement.

-Cursor = Mary. Maybe. The fact that she asked who Mr. Scars is makes me think this might be Noah's mother.

-Mr. Scars = Milo, for reasons mentioned already.

-Pursolus = Karl. Fits perfectly with the titles.

I'm going to make a crack theory and say Swain is Henka Visae.


Adam (noah OOG) said that white is all humans (he specifically mentioned milo) and black containing but not limited to the collective. Also TT wiki says that deadhead stalked sebastian and is currently stalking Karl.


All I get from that is that Keeper/Observer/Deadhead are the collective and everybody else defected or everybody is treating it as a "Game" and the collective has people play against their own.

I don't remember where it was mentioned that Deadhead stalked Sebastian, but it's entirely possible Deadhead isn't Sebastian and rather Swain is.

TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Apparently Henka Visae has been dead for awhile.

Also, I don't think Karl is a part of the Coolective because if the box was in his possession, why wouldn't he just give his box to his cult.


He's playing for the white side, so it would make perfect sense.

My guess at Henka is random, but noted because the man sounds old and because The Observer outright noted him. It's entirely possible that Henka is important to DH and not TT.


icy780 wrote:
I realize I'm late to the speculation, but a couple pages ago people were talking about Deadhead or Swain being Sebastian. I was just going to point out that Deadhead is almost definitely the one who was stalking Sebastian, so it could be the same situation as the Noah=Firebrand theory (although I don't agree with that theory). Also Swain is affiliated with WWII, plus he's wearing a European military outfit, so he is a suitable candidate for being Sebastian.

Flat out ridiculous speculation time

Deadhead and Swain are both Sebastian, but from different dimension. Deadhead was the first Sebastian and was simply taken into the collective, he tried to prevent this from happening, so he instead went back in time to prevent himself (Swain) from being taken into the collective (similar to the Noah being Firebrand theory). Because of this, they both developed their own separate personalities in the collective, hence Deadhead wearing modern war clothes, with an almost frowning skull mask. While Swain wears old-fashioned military garb, and a smiling theatre mask.
Going along with this, if you think about it. If Firebrand fails to protect Noah from being taken into the collective, then Noah would actually both Firebrand and his own personality in the collective.


...I like this a lot O_O

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SaigoSentinel wrote:
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Again, who is Liam? I don't remember hearing that name anywhere.


Liam was Noah's best friend as a kid who died under mysterious circumstances at the Boardwalk. His body was never found.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
SLEEENNDDDEERRRMMAAAAAAN.


Can you link to the video that Noah talks about him in? I don't remember that ever being said but obviously it was so I'd like to revisit it.


They talk about Liam a bit in Secret Parent Interview. I think the rest of the information came from Formspring.

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
I suspect Mr. Scars and Deadhead currently have vessels as well.


I think:

-Observer = Kevin. This is 99% confirmed.

-Firebrand = Liam, I explained that already.

-Deadhead = Sebastian. Maybe. He's almost assured to be a Nazi, and Sebastian fits the role well with the journal's involvement.

-Cursor = Mary. Maybe. The fact that she asked who Mr. Scars is makes me think this might be Noah's mother.

-Mr. Scars = Milo, for reasons mentioned already.

-Pursolus = Karl. Fits perfectly with the titles.

I'm going to make a crack theory and say Swain is Henka Visae.


Adam (noah OOG) said that white is all humans (he specifically mentioned milo) and black containing but not limited to the collective. Also TT wiki says that deadhead stalked sebastian and is currently stalking Karl.


All I get from that is that Keeper/Observer/Deadhead are the collective and everybody else defected or everybody is treating it as a "Game" and the collective has people play against their own.

I don't remember where it was mentioned that Deadhead stalked Sebastian, but it's entirely possible Deadhead isn't Sebastian and rather Swain is.

TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Apparently Henka Visae has been dead for awhile.

Also, I don't think Karl is a part of the Coolective because if the box was in his possession, why wouldn't he just give his box to his cult.


He's playing for the white side, so it would make perfect sense.

My guess at Henka is random, but noted because the man sounds old and because The Observer outright noted him. It's entirely possible that Henka is important to DH and not TT.


icy780 wrote:
I realize I'm late to the speculation, but a couple pages ago people were talking about Deadhead or Swain being Sebastian. I was just going to point out that Deadhead is almost definitely the one who was stalking Sebastian, so it could be the same situation as the Noah=Firebrand theory (although I don't agree with that theory). Also Swain is affiliated with WWII, plus he's wearing a European military outfit, so he is a suitable candidate for being Sebastian.

Flat out ridiculous speculation time

Deadhead and Swain are both Sebastian, but from different dimension. Deadhead was the first Sebastian and was simply taken into the collective, he tried to prevent this from happening, so he instead went back in time to prevent himself (Swain) from being taken into the collective (similar to the Noah being Firebrand theory). Because of this, they both developed their own separate personalities in the collective, hence Deadhead wearing modern war clothes, with an almost frowning skull mask. While Swain wears old-fashioned military garb, and a smiling theatre mask.
Going along with this, if you think about it. If Firebrand fails to protect Noah from being taken into the collective, then Noah would actually both Firebrand and his own personality in the collective.


...I like this a lot O_O


Also, Adam confirmed that the those not in the collective are white, and the collective are the black side, so Karl is NOT in the collective, and is on the White Side.

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 		http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35663366340/is-it-safe-to-say-that-homestuck-has-been-at-least-a

Explains all the timey-wimey stuff. Also the collective might just be marijuana forming a consciousness
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I don't get it guise. I think I'm missing something. What's Karl's first name?

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Coolbro Swaggins
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alaitoc wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
I suspect Mr. Scars and Deadhead currently have vessels as well.


I think:

-Observer = Kevin. This is 99% confirmed.

-Firebrand = Liam, I explained that already.

-Deadhead = Sebastian. Maybe. He's almost assured to be a Nazi, and Sebastian fits the role well with the journal's involvement.

-Cursor = Mary. Maybe. The fact that she asked who Mr. Scars is makes me think this might be Noah's mother.

-Mr. Scars = Milo, for reasons mentioned already.

-Pursolus = Karl. Fits perfectly with the titles.

I'm going to make a crack theory and say Swain is Henka Visae.


Adam (noah OOG) said that white is all humans (he specifically mentioned milo) and black containing but not limited to the collective. Also TT wiki says that deadhead stalked sebastian and is currently stalking Karl.


All I get from that is that Keeper/Observer/Deadhead are the collective and everybody else defected or everybody is treating it as a "Game" and the collective has people play against their own.

I don't remember where it was mentioned that Deadhead stalked Sebastian, but it's entirely possible Deadhead isn't Sebastian and rather Swain is.

TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Apparently Henka Visae has been dead for awhile.

Also, I don't think Karl is a part of the Coolective because if the box was in his possession, why wouldn't he just give his box to his cult.


He's playing for the white side, so it would make perfect sense.

My guess at Henka is random, but noted because the man sounds old and because The Observer outright noted him. It's entirely possible that Henka is important to DH and not TT.


icy780 wrote:
I realize I'm late to the speculation, but a couple pages ago people were talking about Deadhead or Swain being Sebastian. I was just going to point out that Deadhead is almost definitely the one who was stalking Sebastian, so it could be the same situation as the Noah=Firebrand theory (although I don't agree with that theory). Also Swain is affiliated with WWII, plus he's wearing a European military outfit, so he is a suitable candidate for being Sebastian.

Flat out ridiculous speculation time

Deadhead and Swain are both Sebastian, but from different dimension. Deadhead was the first Sebastian and was simply taken into the collective, he tried to prevent this from happening, so he instead went back in time to prevent himself (Swain) from being taken into the collective (similar to the Noah being Firebrand theory). Because of this, they both developed their own separate personalities in the collective, hence Deadhead wearing modern war clothes, with an almost frowning skull mask. While Swain wears old-fashioned military garb, and a smiling theatre mask.
Going along with this, if you think about it. If Firebrand fails to protect Noah from being taken into the collective, then Noah would actually both Firebrand and his own personality in the collective.


...I like this a lot O_O


Also, Adam confirmed that the those not in the collective are white, and the collective are the black side, so Karl is NOT in the collective, and is on the White Side.


Then I'm really curious as to who Pursolus is if it can't be Karl.

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 		Ah. My very first post on this forum was a theory that mr. scars is actually anderson from MLAnderson0.
http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650557180/are-you-friends-with-any-of-the-other-slendervlog

That doesn't seem that for off Wink
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I don't get it guise. I think I'm missing something. What's Karl's first name?

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Seraphim wrote:
I suspect Mr. Scars and Deadhead currently have vessels as well.


I think:

-Observer = Kevin. This is 99% confirmed.

-Firebrand = Liam, I explained that already.

-Deadhead = Sebastian. Maybe. He's almost assured to be a Nazi, and Sebastian fits the role well with the journal's involvement.

-Cursor = Mary. Maybe. The fact that she asked who Mr. Scars is makes me think this might be Noah's mother.

-Mr. Scars = Milo, for reasons mentioned already.

-Pursolus = Karl. Fits perfectly with the titles.

I'm going to make a crack theory and say Swain is Henka Visae.


Adam (noah OOG) said that white is all humans (he specifically mentioned milo) and black containing but not limited to the collective. Also TT wiki says that deadhead stalked sebastian and is currently stalking Karl.


All I get from that is that Keeper/Observer/Deadhead are the collective and everybody else defected or everybody is treating it as a "Game" and the collective has people play against their own.

I don't remember where it was mentioned that Deadhead stalked Sebastian, but it's entirely possible Deadhead isn't Sebastian and rather Swain is.

TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Apparently Henka Visae has been dead for awhile.

Also, I don't think Karl is a part of the Coolective because if the box was in his possession, why wouldn't he just give his box to his cult.


He's playing for the white side, so it would make perfect sense.

My guess at Henka is random, but noted because the man sounds old and because The Observer outright noted him. It's entirely possible that Henka is important to DH and not TT.


icy780 wrote:
I realize I'm late to the speculation, but a couple pages ago people were talking about Deadhead or Swain being Sebastian. I was just going to point out that Deadhead is almost definitely the one who was stalking Sebastian, so it could be the same situation as the Noah=Firebrand theory (although I don't agree with that theory). Also Swain is affiliated with WWII, plus he's wearing a European military outfit, so he is a suitable candidate for being Sebastian.

Flat out ridiculous speculation time

Deadhead and Swain are both Sebastian, but from different dimension. Deadhead was the first Sebastian and was simply taken into the collective, he tried to prevent this from happening, so he instead went back in time to prevent himself (Swain) from being taken into the collective (similar to the Noah being Firebrand theory). Because of this, they both developed their own separate personalities in the collective, hence Deadhead wearing modern war clothes, with an almost frowning skull mask. While Swain wears old-fashioned military garb, and a smiling theatre mask.
Going along with this, if you think about it. If Firebrand fails to protect Noah from being taken into the collective, then Noah would actually both Firebrand and his own personality in the collective.


...I like this a lot O_O


Also, Adam confirmed that the those not in the collective are white, and the collective are the black side, so Karl is NOT in the collective, and is on the White Side.


Then I'm really curious as to who Pursolus is if it can't be Karl.


yeah, that OOG confirmation of all collective being black, really kinda toppled a lot of theories.

Edit: btw, kudos to the guy that snagged that

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alaitoc wrote:


yeah, that OOG confirmation of all collective being black, really kinda toppled a lot of theories.

Edit: btw, kudos to the guy that snagged that


Now the confusing part is regarding Firebrand's stance. If he's in the collective, he's a black piece, and it's evident he isn't human yet clearly was (Liam or Milo) at some point.

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 		I'm confused then, what is the point of the chess board at all? Anyone could assume that it would be humans v.s. the dark, malevolent, time-traveling, space-altering spirits of dead humans. If it truly is just humans v.s. Collective, what is the point of the complicated chess board analogy.

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icy780 wrote:
I'm confused then, what is the point of the chess board at all? Anyone could assume that it would be humans v.s. the dark, malevolent, time-traveling, space-altering spirits of dead humans. If it truly is just humans v.s. Collective, what is the point of the complicated chess board analogy.



Guess there is none anymore really, unless theres a few exceptions, he uses Milo as an example, so maybe Milo isnt really dead?

Edit: Just to post for those that havent looked at it yet, this is where Adam states that the collective members are all black http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650892402/the-observer-saying-that-there-are-innumerable

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 		Just pointing out, since it was mentioned a few pages back, that we don't know whether the 4th World and the world of the Collective are one and the same, as the 4th World is a concept from Dark Harvest. That said, the two match up in a lot of ways; the Order believes Slender Man originated in the 4th World and has the power to take them there and turn them into immortal gods, which could be a misinterpretation of joining the Collective.

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 		Having thought this over:

The Collective are people the Keeper used as vessels for his various emotions/powers, but these vessels, dead or alive, are capable or breaking free as we've seen with Firebrand and judging by the letter Kevin has "Broke" free long enough to tell Noah to kill him.

I think that once the Keeper takes a piece from the white side, he can use it as a vessel for the collective, hence the name "Keeper". This is probably what happened to Kevin in Box Analysis.

I think I can go along with the idea that not every member of the collective has a vessel, and I think that after this game changer we're going to see members actively seeking them. Back to the "Keeper" point, I think Milo's body was "stolen" from the White Side and made as a vessel for the Black Side, probably as Mr. Scars. Which may be why Mary asked who Mr. Scars was to start with, she assumed it was Milo.

Or, it's possible now all of the members have vessels and the reason we haven't seen many is because TT can have "Arcs" to it and some members of the collective are more dedicated to segments of the "Game" than others.

The fact that Sarah apparently killed herself and Noah killed Kat means that they weren't "Taken". I think a person can only become a member of the collective if the Keeper takes them in an active Session.

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alaitoc wrote:
TheLonelyLemon wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Long time lurker, first time poster, etc. I just came up with this theory and really, really wanted to share it:

According to the wiki, Liam's mother petitioned for the Victor Park Playground to be built in his memory. The Boardwalk/Victor Park are very consistent themes in this series, and November 11th in particular has a theme of "Remembering" to it.

Liam and Noah knew each other as children and are the two kids running in November 11th's screwy-Observer segment. Liam's "Mysterious death" was because of Slendy drowning him at the lake near the boardwalk. Noah witnessed this and his memory of Liam was wiped. Noah is shocked at Firebrand's appearance in November 11th because he is Liam and Noah manages to remember his face from seeing it. This is why he was so shocked.

Liam may have been stalked/killed to begin with due to Mary Asher visiting with Milo which might give credit to Mary being "Cursor" if only because the name would be appropriate. She "Curses" those she comes in constantly with by spreading the Administrator's influence.

Well hot fudge, this sounds about right to me. You did some damn good lurking my friend.

100% couldnt agree more. This seems to be one of the most well thought theories for the identity of Firebrand.

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Having thought this over:

The Collective are people the Keeper used as vessels for his various emotions/powers, but these vessels, dead or alive, are capable or breaking free as we've seen with Firebrand and judging by the letter Kevin has "Broke" free long enough to tell Noah to kill him.

I think that once the Keeper takes a piece from the white side, he can use it as a vessel for the collective, hence the name "Keeper". This is probably what happened to Kevin in Box Analysis.

I think I can go along with the idea that not every member of the collective has a vessel, and I think that after this game changer we're going to see members actively seeking them. Back to the "Keeper" point, I think Milo's body was "stolen" from the White Side and made as a vessel for the Black Side, probably as Mr. Scars. Which may be why Mary asked who Mr. Scars was to start with, she assumed it was Milo.

Or, it's possible now all of the members have vessels and the reason we haven't seen many is because TT can have "Arcs" to it and some members of the collective are more dedicated to segments of the "Game" than others.

The fact that Sarah apparently killed herself and Noah killed Kat means that they weren't "Taken". I think a person can only become a member of the collective if the Keeper takes them in an active Session.

One problem with that threory.
Since Mr. Scars might be Milo, then why is his piece still represented on the white side?
And since Firebrand is a member of The Collective, that means that his piece should be Black, but there can't be two Black Kings on the same side of the board.
Thus the reason to split them up and, with The Administrator's permission, allow those white pieces to help Noah.
However, regarding Sarah. She was defined as "a superfluous piece" and was only added after her introduction, and also removed.

Sorry if my logic is rather confusing. Embarassed

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