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alaitoc
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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Having thought this over:

The Collective are people the Keeper used as vessels for his various emotions/powers, but these vessels, dead or alive, are capable or breaking free as we've seen with Firebrand and judging by the letter Kevin has "Broke" free long enough to tell Noah to kill him.

I think that once the Keeper takes a piece from the white side, he can use it as a vessel for the collective, hence the name "Keeper". This is probably what happened to Kevin in Box Analysis.

I think I can go along with the idea that not every member of the collective has a vessel, and I think that after this game changer we're going to see members actively seeking them. Back to the "Keeper" point, I think Milo's body was "stolen" from the White Side and made as a vessel for the Black Side, probably as Mr. Scars. Which may be why Mary asked who Mr. Scars was to start with, she assumed it was Milo.

Or, it's possible now all of the members have vessels and the reason we haven't seen many is because TT can have "Arcs" to it and some members of the collective are more dedicated to segments of the "Game" than others.

The fact that Sarah apparently killed herself and Noah killed Kat means that they weren't "Taken". I think a person can only become a member of the collective if the Keeper takes them in an active Session.


Safe to say that Sarah did not kill herself based on the last tweet from her twitter which was from the Observer, where he says he took her

Edit: if anything Id say it was more along the lines of what happened to Milo

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alaitoc
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Having thought this over:

The Collective are people the Keeper used as vessels for his various emotions/powers, but these vessels, dead or alive, are capable or breaking free as we've seen with Firebrand and judging by the letter Kevin has "Broke" free long enough to tell Noah to kill him.

I think that once the Keeper takes a piece from the white side, he can use it as a vessel for the collective, hence the name "Keeper". This is probably what happened to Kevin in Box Analysis.

I think I can go along with the idea that not every member of the collective has a vessel, and I think that after this game changer we're going to see members actively seeking them. Back to the "Keeper" point, I think Milo's body was "stolen" from the White Side and made as a vessel for the Black Side, probably as Mr. Scars. Which may be why Mary asked who Mr. Scars was to start with, she assumed it was Milo.

Or, it's possible now all of the members have vessels and the reason we haven't seen many is because TT can have "Arcs" to it and some members of the collective are more dedicated to segments of the "Game" than others.

The fact that Sarah apparently killed herself and Noah killed Kat means that they weren't "Taken". I think a person can only become a member of the collective if the Keeper takes them in an active Session.

One problem with that threory.
Since Mr. Scars might be Milo, then why is his piece still represented on the white side?
And since Firebrand is a member of The Collective, that means that his piece should be Black, but there can't be two Black Kings on the same side of the board.
Thus the reason to split them up and, with The Administrator's permission, allow those white pieces to help Noah.
However, regarding Sarah. She was defined as "a superfluous piece" and was only added after her introduction, and also removed.

Sorry if my logic is rather confusing. Embarassed


there is no theory regarding the collective all being black, adam has confirmed this OOG

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FalloutGhoul wrote:
Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
Having thought this over:

The Collective are people the Keeper used as vessels for his various emotions/powers, but these vessels, dead or alive, are capable or breaking free as we've seen with Firebrand and judging by the letter Kevin has "Broke" free long enough to tell Noah to kill him.

I think that once the Keeper takes a piece from the white side, he can use it as a vessel for the collective, hence the name "Keeper". This is probably what happened to Kevin in Box Analysis.

I think I can go along with the idea that not every member of the collective has a vessel, and I think that after this game changer we're going to see members actively seeking them. Back to the "Keeper" point, I think Milo's body was "stolen" from the White Side and made as a vessel for the Black Side, probably as Mr. Scars. Which may be why Mary asked who Mr. Scars was to start with, she assumed it was Milo.

Or, it's possible now all of the members have vessels and the reason we haven't seen many is because TT can have "Arcs" to it and some members of the collective are more dedicated to segments of the "Game" than others.

The fact that Sarah apparently killed herself and Noah killed Kat means that they weren't "Taken". I think a person can only become a member of the collective if the Keeper takes them in an active Session.

One problem with that threory.
Since Mr. Scars might be Milo, then why is his piece still represented on the white side?
And since Firebrand is a member of The Collective, that means that his piece should be Black, but there can't be two Black Kings on the same side of the board.
Thus the reason to split them up and, with The Administrator's permission, allow those white pieces to help Noah.
However, regarding Sarah. She was defined as "a superfluous piece" and was only added after her introduction, and also removed.

Sorry if my logic is rather confusing. Embarassed


I don't think Firebrand is a king anymore. We know for a fact he's in the collective and thus a black piece, therefor I'd bet he's a queen or a bishop now instead.

As for Milo, I think his piece USED to be on the white side but isn't anymore. Or, perhaps, there's "Something" to Mr. Scars that allows him to be on both sides at once.

If Milo is still on the white side, my second guess for Mr. Scars' vessel was Robert.

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Coolbro Swaggins wrote:
...Wouldn't that mean the only people technically in the collective are Deadhead and The Observer?

That would be weird.

No. Firebrand said immediately when he talked to Noah that he was a member of the collective. "Noah. I am Firebrand of the collective."

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bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys

There are members of the collective that are on the white side. Firebrand, cursor, persolus, and Mr. Scars. All have been stated to be members of the collective.

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 		Well Adam is really kinda screwing with us now. He's changing pre-established things right in the middle of the series. Okay, so of all members of the collective are black pieces, why was Firebrand stated as the white king? He is obviously a member of the collective, he said it himself, and when the observer posted the twit pics he put him as the white king. There is also cursor, persolus, mr. scars, and swain who were all stated as white pieces and as members of the collective. Is it just me or does this make no sense. *_*

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Palafico wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys

There are members of the collective that are on the white side. Firebrand, cursor, persolus, and Mr. Scars. All have been stated to be members of the collective.




Adam OOG has 100% CONFIRMED that as far as we know, all collective members ARE IN FACT black pieces


http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650892402/the-observer-saying-that-there-are-innumerable

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alaitoc wrote:
Palafico wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys

There are members of the collective that are on the white side. Firebrand, cursor, persolus, and Mr. Scars. All have been stated to be members of the collective.

Adam OOG has 100% CONFIRMED that as far as we know, all collective members ARE IN FACT black pieces

http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650892402/the-observer-saying-that-there-are-innumerable

Yes, and there is where I find the contradiction.

Back in the February Livestream, The Observer told Noah that The Administrator, Deadhead, and himself were Black pieces, while Firebrand, Cursor, Mr. Scars, Persolus, Swain, and Sarah were White pieces.

And now, Adam is saying on his Tumblr that the ALL members of The Collective are Black pieces.

That's what's tripping me up.
What's going on Exclamation Question

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 		Umm...guys. I uh...

I'm not a fan of the idea that Noah's firebrand, because well, it doesn't make sense to me. But re-watching the November 11th 2011 video...well..I'll link to the part I'm referring to:

http://youtu.be/iP99YJ5XANc?t=2m58s

Noah smiles with the top row of his teeth there. I don't know if he's done this in the past, but the way that the video distorts there makes him look like firebrand (kind of). Has anyone else noticed this?

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FalloutGhoul wrote:
alaitoc wrote:
Palafico wrote:
bgchaosdude wrote:
I also realized. There are 32 pieces in a game of chess. 16 on each side.
So far we know that ALL of the collective is on the black side, and there are 7 members of the collective, with slendy making 8. That means that there are 8 more members of the collective we don't know yet (or at least 8 more antagonists).

Assuming that Noah, Sarah, Kat, Noah's mom, noah's dad, milo, mary, robert, john, karl, and that one techy guy are all on the white side (and I'm being very generous, since some of them are minor) that means there are 5 more protagonists we don't know yet.

13 more people who we know nothing about. I think we've been dealing with baby stuff so far, the confusing is just about to ramp up guys

There are members of the collective that are on the white side. Firebrand, cursor, persolus, and Mr. Scars. All have been stated to be members of the collective.

Adam OOG has 100% CONFIRMED that as far as we know, all collective members ARE IN FACT black pieces

http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/35650892402/the-observer-saying-that-there-are-innumerable

Yes, and there is where I find the contradiction.

Back in the February Livestream, The Observer told Noah that The Administrator, Deadhead, and himself were Black pieces, while Firebrand, Cursor, Mr. Scars, Persolus, Swain, and Sarah were White pieces.

And now, Adam is saying on his Tumblr that the ALL members of The Collective are Black pieces.

That's what's tripping me up.
What's going on Exclamation Question


Now, he did say, it is safe to assume that all Collective members were black pieces. Although, I personally hope it was a blundered statement, because having a few Collective members on the white side of the board would be intriguing.

However, it is also possible that Firebrand and all the other members of the Collective who wish to aid Noah are defecting black pieces. Leaking info and helping the white side.

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 		Adam retconned it. The Observer is a liar. Wink

Maybe the Collective are the black pieces, but some (if not all) of their vessels are still white pieces? That could be why Kevin was able to wrest a little control away from Observer to try to warn Noah. It could also explain the "Sorry.... sorry.... so... sorry... help..." way back in Unknown Caller.

I hope Noah doesn't try to give up again. Observer may smile most of the time (while Firebrand isn't running around ruining his games, anyway), but it looks like Kevin's not too happy with things.

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 		Also, I'm thinking that "You must assume your inheritance," as said by the Observer in "November 11th," is one of the main sources of proof that the Cursor is Noah's mom, or the Hermit Noah's dad. This must run in his family, hence the usage of the term "inheritance." I don't have any idea of what it could mean if not that.

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SaigoSentinel wrote:
Also, I'm thinking that "You must assume your inheritance," as said by the Observer in "November 11th," is one of the main sources of proof that the Cursor is Noah's mom, or the Hermit Noah's dad. This must run in his family, hence the usage of the term "inheritance." I don't have any idea of what it could mean if not that.

He probably means becoming a member of The Collective.

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FalloutGhoul wrote:
SaigoSentinel wrote:
Also, I'm thinking that "You must assume your inheritance," as said by the Observer in "November 11th," is one of the main sources of proof that the Cursor is Noah's mom, or the Hermit Noah's dad. This must run in his family, hence the usage of the term "inheritance." I don't have any idea of what it could mean if not that.

He probably means becoming a member of The Collective.


Maybe, but what does 'inheritance' mean in that regard? If Karl or his parent's aren't involved, he has no connection to the collective other than the fact that he's being stalked by them. Why not use the phrase "You must join us" or "You must assume responsibility" or something? The syntax/word choice here is something to take note of.

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 		This is all OOG:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Hold on Something doesnt add up here with this Chess piece theory.

Firebrand put this in the INTERCEPTION video when he did his badass info-relay:

Quote:
Noah. I am Firebrand (white king, people) of the Collective


And Adam said this when asked if white chess piece meant good and black chess piece meant bad

Quote:
Now, I think it's safe to assume that all of the collective members are black pieces, and all of the white pieces are Noah, Milo and the rest of the humans.


Didn't Adam say that he did not want to spoil everything from the link he trolled us with?

http://thenimbus.tumblr.com/post/31040934017/tribetwelve-secrets-and-ending-revealed

Now, I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but i think he lied.
Why you may ask?

Cause I doubt he would want to give out spoilers just like that. Too easy and it kills the fun of solving the mysteries. That or cuz people kept annoying him asking for spoilers.

I asked Adam on formspring if he was trolling when he posted that whole chess piece thing (if he answers) to see a confirmation my theory on the Black and white chess piece debacle.


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