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[SignerJ]

After reviewing the closet scene again, and seeing Firebrand's message to Noah, I think that the deviation from the "plan" occurred when Noah was sent to the hotel.

Also, those who were at the livestream know that INTERCEPTION was supposed to play... I tried to juxtapose the videos in case Firebrand's interruption corresponded with a part of the video, but I found nothing. Apparently, more time passed for the viewer than did for Noah, because INTERCEPTION is longer than the entire "incident" during the livestream.

[SaigoSentinel]

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The smiling man at 20:40 is most definitely Noah/Firebrand. The teeth are unmistakable:



Also, just before Noah goes back in time, this is his face (from the camera perspective of "future Noah"):



Firebrand possessed Noah's body to do these things. It wasn't "future Noah" who came to take him; besides, "future Noah" is from a mere 40 seconds in the future.

If Firebrand is helping Noah, why does he still deliver the eyeball for the Observer, and why does he then go to help the Administrator take Noah on 11-11-11? If he's acting as a double-agent and following orders just to keep from blowing his cover, why did he reveal his identity during "interception"?

And, finally, was it Firebrand who killed Kat? That incident also involved time-travel and he had that same creepy smile in "Thanksgiving Footage".

[TheLonelyLemon]

I don't think Noah at Thanksgiving was Firebrand.

Firebrand was trying to help Noah, but he killed the 2 people who were helping him? I don't think that makes any sense.

Also, I was bored. I made this with my amazing photoshop skills:

[bgchaosdude]

Why are mentioning infinite timelines or whatever? So far we've only seen a looped timeline, where events caused by going back in time have already happened, ala Prisoner of Azkaban style. It says so right there^, perhaps Firebrand might try and change that since he is mentioning paradoxes, but we don't know for sure yet for now.
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I think that firebrand eventually ditches the collective and goes rogue, and he's trying to change the loop by making it so that he never joins the collective in the first place. The observer says "you will now become..." and he's interrupted before he can finish it. We can pretty much assume that he was going to say "firebrand" but future rebel firebrand cut him off.
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Here's some more proof that rogue firebrand (the one that appears in interception) isn't in the collective anymore. Wouldn't he have said "don't let it in our hands" if he WAS in the collective?
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Another small observation. Milo might not appear on camera anymore, but he sure as hell isn't dead. I mean just look at dat picture. If milo was dead firebrand would have said "You'll receive milo's journal, I'll make sure of that", but instead said Milo will send you his journal. This opens up two possibilities, Milo is alive, or that Milo IS part of the collective but went rogue like firebrand.

[sp103]

I must say the multiple noah's is intriguing. I lost a lot of interest in this series with the bombardment of characters (i.e. the Collective) and the cross-over with Dark Harvest.

No not me.. the other me... The one up on stage playing Johnny B Good!

[WheresMyARGs]

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[Jaytenthousand]

Geez, i've followed this series since the first couple of videos, but i've never known about a good number of these characters or the time paradoxes until reading the last ten pages or so of this thread. You guys are right on the ball, UF.

[Andvalli]

I never liked the "Noah is Firebrand" theory and I want to be disappointed that it's been proven but it was just... ugh it was pulled off in the best fucking way

Like many, I didn't even realize that the closet-footage was supposed to be from The Device upon first viewing. After I realized that though the ball thing makes sense and then he goes to see past-Noah in the hotel and holy shit my mind is goo.

Here's a thought to chew on: It's been pointed out that Firebrand in the hotel video didn't appear to have a camera (he also looked like he was smiling, which Noah assuredly wasn't when he looked inside that hotel room). What if he has to go back again, next time actually as Firebrand? From an in-story perspective I can't yet think of a purpose for that but it's the best - and coolest - explanation I can think of. It's fun to think of Noah having to keep returning to these points in time because of the Collective.

[Verdett]

I just have to say, YOU FUCKING SLY BASTARD FOR HAVING THAT AUDIO RECORDED THAT FAR IN ADVANCE FOR THE CLOSET.

God damn, didn't even think of that until people mentioned it and I went back to watch that video for myself.

That planning in advance-ed-ness makes me happy.

[CheshireRabbit]

[Verdett]

[Bartok]

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