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Spaniard
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 		brainstorming a radically different approach that uses
none of the clues we've divined
I've spent a lot of time on the webseries and think the puppeteers are very talented whatever the solution.

But I've always been struck by the first message from the Captain saying that if someone is listening, it's not a secret anymore.

Now one way of looking at -- one out-of-the-box-way -- is to say don't be drawn into the thoroughly enjoyable storyline. In fact, turn off the volume. In fact, brainstorm a way in which the solution could lie entirely on the first home page before any audio starts. Just press stop or pause and go no further.

Is it ordinary to have TWO rose compasses? Consider that the intersection of the radiating intersecting lines form angles of a specific number. For example, 23 degrees, or 47 degrees etc. Now as I vaguely recall, I once spent many hours in an archives working on the Beale Cipher, which as I recall was a series of numbers. The key was to find a key text -- a book -- that might have been commonly on the nightstands of the day. And so I was looking at scanned old texts. If the first two numbers were 23, 47, you would count 23 letters into the page and take that letter. Then 47 etc.

(For the record, I haven't found the Beale treasure either. :0) )

While I will look around the house for a protractor and jot down the numbers, I'm not sure the order one would read them if this were the code. moreover, there would still be the all important matter of the key text.

But I do think we should open up our mind to the idea that there is some radically different cluing going on than one based on subsidiary clues we have divined. Truth often can very simply stated. It in fact could have parallel levels where the subsidiary clues were pointing somewhere but were merely a level of storytelling, homages, etc. By way of an analogy, when someone suggested the "LOU G" notion, I stopped to consider whether Lou G was buried. It really only takes a short sentence to identify a location. In fact, it could be done with numbers such as GPS. So in brainstorming this theory that I'll call the radiating lines theory, it could result in a GPS coordinates.

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Spaniard
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 		Beale errata
numbers were applied against the first letter of words in the key text
Correction:

To decrypt the second Beale cipher, one finds the word corresponding to the number (i.e. the first number is 115, and the 115th word in the Declaration of Independence is "instituted"), and takes the first letter of that word (i.e. which would be "I"). Note that this method of encryption is slightly different from a standard book cipher.

Next time I look at the videos I'll see if there is something that stands out as a key text. Only a dialogue between Captain and Crothers in one of the last videos seemed really awkward. Captain was mentioning a rhyme that was scary and the sentence seemed worded in a very strained way.

It seems that they would want to use something written rather than verbal and so it seems the CNN banner is a candidate for application of a Beale cipher approach using numbers generated by the angles formed by the rose compasses. I don't know anything about CADD drawing but I imagine things can be done very precisely.

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 		 Texted Cipher?
What about the ticker..
Question Since everything we need is in the video's, could the ticker in "Larry the King" be the cipher you are looking for? Question

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mlssry
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 		New non-clue video posted on facebook page tonight.

I think the treasure is just outside of times square....anyone elses path lead them there? I have the building but am unsure of what to do once inside? Please PM me if you are stuck where I am and want to try to figure out the last step together.

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Projectyl
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 		If your location is inside a building, it almost certainly isn't the right location. I quoted this Facebook discussion for Spaniard a while back, and I'll link it now (though I'm not 100% sure it's accessible to people not on Facebook):

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=129123233775707&topic=180

The puppeteers explicitly say the chest is under the ground. Admittedly that does allow for the possibility that it's in a basement somewhere, but I'm still pretty convinced that "buried" just means plain ol' "buried".

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mlssry
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Projectyl wrote:
If your location is inside a building, it almost certainly isn't the right location. I quoted this Facebook discussion for Spaniard a while back, and I'll link it now (though I'm not 100% sure it's accessible to people not on Facebook):

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=129123233775707&topic=180

The puppeteers explicitly say the chest is under the ground. Admittedly that does allow for the possibility that it's in a basement somewhere, but I'm still pretty convinced that "buried" just means plain ol' "buried".

I haven't checked the link yet....but this building does have an underground space as well as places to dig in dirt. I'm not in NY so I don't know if the diggable spots are open to the public or not but I do know that the underground area is open to the public. While I do believe it is under ground I don't think it is under dirt.
Of course I could be wrong about all of it.

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 		Re: brainstorming a radically different approach that uses
none of the clues we've divined
Spaniard wrote:
Is it ordinary to have TWO rose compasses? Consider that the intersection of the radiating intersecting lines form angles of a specific number.


Consider also that many of the radiating lines run into letters in "WE LOST OUR GOLD", perhaps explaining why the appearance of the words here doesn't match that of the logo in the videos. The lines from the skull-compass, from left to right along the top, meet E, O, O, and O. (The last stops at "G", but is clearly pointing at "O", yes?) The lines from the circle-compass indicate T, R, G, ?, O, L, D ... with the "?" the straight-up line that's pointing right in between "G" and "O". Note that (in almost every case) each of these lines run right up to its letter; the exception is the skull-line pointing at the "O" in "GOLD" (perhaps it stops short perhaps to avoid crossing the "G"), and the "?" line (perhaps it stops short because it's not pointing at *any* letter). Anyway, E, O, O, O, T, R, G, O, L, D make for quite a few anagrams, a couple with "GOLD" and some with "LOOT". (Plus ROOTED LOGO, which is kinda funny.) If we can take the ? line to be pointing at *both* "G" and "O", we can make GOOGLE (for instance, DOOR TO GOOGLE); or, if that other skull-line isn't pointing at the O in "GOLD" but the "G" (where it stops), then we still have a second G.


Also interesting: In the "Episodes/About/FAQs/Trailers" menu, there are crabs at top and bottom. The crab at the bottom holds up just one claw, as if to point at the "T" in "Trailers"; the one at the top holds out both claws, indicating the "E" and "S" in "Episodes". Maybe. (And that bottom crab again ... is his other claw pointing at *himself*? Indicating an "I" perhaps? Find an "M" and you've got "TIMES".)

And notice the octopi in the corners of the map. Three of them are looking "out" at you, but the one in the bottom-right is looking at the map itself. What has his attention? (On pages other than the WLOG.com home page, that octopus is looking *away* from the map. Hmmmmm ...)


Lots of stuff on that map to keep one's mind churning, which is good for those of us outside of NYC (I'm in Texas) who can't get all the local references.
I have yet to make out any of the small writing on the map.

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 		The PMs clearly state that it is underground and it is buried. So It is either in a basement type building or a store in Grand Central, Time Square or where ever. New York has many mini cities under neath it. What it is buried in is one thing. It has to be open to the public.

If it is not in one of my 2 possible locations, then I am off and I'm at the point where I will probably give up. I will post the information I have with the huge amount of research that I did.
All I could say is that New York gets really crowed during the holidays.


mlssry wrote:
Projectyl wrote:
If your location is inside a building, it almost certainly isn't the right location. I quoted this Facebook discussion for Spaniard a while back, and I'll link it now (though I'm not 100% sure it's accessible to people not on Facebook):

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=129123233775707&topic=180

The puppeteers explicitly say the chest is under the ground. Admittedly that does allow for the possibility that it's in a basement somewhere, but I'm still pretty convinced that "buried" just means plain ol' "buried".

I haven't checked the link yet....but this building does have an underground space as well as places to dig in dirt. I'm not in NY so I don't know if the diggable spots are open to the public or not but I do know that the underground area is open to the public. While I do believe it is under ground I don't think it is under dirt.
Of course I could be wrong about all of it.


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 		Mulligan's a Thief!
mlssry wrote:
New non-clue video posted on facebook page tonight.

I think the treasure is just outside of times square....anyone elses path lead them there? I have the building but am unsure of what to do once inside? Please PM me if you are stuck where I am and want to try to figure out the last step together.


Harrrrrr harrrrrrrrrrrr, mostest priceless scene in tha Times Square video..... Mulligan the pickpocket! harrrrr harrrr harrrr, who woulda thought a pirate would be so sneaky?

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 		Re: Mulligan's a Thief!
Harrrrrr harrrrrrrrrrrr, mostest priceless scene in tha Times Square video..... Mulligan the pickpocket! harrrrr harrrr harrrr, who woulda thought a pirate would be so sneaky?[/quote]


Isn't that great!!

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 		hi all I am new to this and have probably a massive handicap. I just watched the last few videos. It doesn't seem that vague to me. It seems pretty straightforward or am I missing something?

The last video seems to be more or less pretty clear. You got to find a boat, look for a flying bird and follow the direction of the b.ird for 250 feet right?

Would it make sense to just think of famous boats and look for bird statutes or bird signs or maybe a flying bird on a mural or something. Off the top of my head I am thinking maybe South Street seaport, they actually have a few actual pirate boats, maybe I will go there and look for birds.

I know I am probably way off but whatever, any other famous boats people know about? I haven't been to the westside for years, but I seem to remember there perhaps being a pirate boat alongside the aircraft carrier next to the USS Intrepid aircraft carrier museum but I am not sure!

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 		the seaport actually has a massive eagle statue in the park nearby, closer to the clinton castle...............

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 		to LurkLurkLurk
Kit Williams' MASQUERADE
"Consider also that many of the radiating lines run into letters in "WE LOST OUR GOLD"

In one early interview (perhaps NYT), the puppeteers were reported to have been inspired by KIT WILLIAMS in MASQUERADE. There a line from, I believe, the character's eye through the tip of their finger pointed to a letter that then created letters that anagrammed to an instruction.

While I haven't studied the letters, I like your idea very much and will try to anagram the letters.

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 		More about the home page map
Holes in the ship's sails, and more octopus eyes
The lower sails of the ship have holes in them, and the holes make a nice line. (Marks on the masts seem close to that line, too.) These could be simply the scars of a cannon shot, which would be a nice detail. Or, they could also be pointing at something. Looks to me like the extended line meets the "X" (and/or "?") within the magnifying glass.

Oh, and I mentioned the eyes of the octopus at bottom-right being different on the home page vs. other pages. This is true of the octopus at top-left, too. His eyes switch from looking at each other to looking away from each other. (Crossed vs. "divergent".)

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 		Re: More about the home page map
Holes in the ship's sails, and more octopus eyes
lurklurklurk wrote:
The lower sails of the ship have holes in them, and the holes make a nice line. (Marks on the masts seem close to that line, too.) These could be simply the scars of a cannon shot, which would be a nice detail. Or, they could also be pointing at something. Looks to me like the extended line meets the "X" (and/or "?") within the magnifying glass.

Oh, and I mentioned the eyes of the octopus at bottom-right being different on the home page vs. other pages. This is true of the octopus at top-left, too. His eyes switch from looking at each other to looking away from each other. (Crossed vs. "divergent".)


If you guys are examining the map then you could say that those three buildings with the X look just like the three down on State Street off of Battery Park. I used to have my lunch in Battery Park on nice days. Really nice park with a nice view.

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