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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:20 pm
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A good video showing everything would be heavenly - dare I say a" miracle"? Cue anime sequence. Smile

I was wondering: is there a reason not to post the video on YouTube? Maybe we need a YouTube unfiction channel? I think there are members here who have Youtube channels, so maybe one of them would host it if needed.

I know I should know this stuff, but I just haven't had to answer this question before.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:38 pm
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Re: Solution?

ginji wrote:
fellowtraveler wrote:


The path walked doesn't make a shoe shape or in any other way seem to correspond to the ultimate code map that Mulligan drew, so I'm not sure if that is just a red herring or what.

One of the weaknesses in the game so far is that it seems that you don't really need to follow the entire treasure trail, since only the last stop matters. Maybe the puzzles will become harder and provide self-referential clues later on that will change this.


Okay! Of all my crazy theories this one is pretty bad, but maybe you have to look for a Footprint(s) to show you're on the right trail!


How about this is the first step! remember it's not in Central Park. There is a Crows Nest Restaurant. and the lest direct of the ship is s,sw

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I forgot to mention in my last post as a Guest/passerby that I have my own take on the tracing of Captain's foot in video one. I believe we have yet to use the idea of switching the first letter of the word. When Mulligan shows Captain the tracing of his foot, he refers to it as "Your Foot."

If we switch the letters around as in Pentral Cark, we get "Four Yoot."

The game of Yut or Yoot is played with four sticks and four possible courses. It also resembles a baseball field, fitting right in to my previous post regarding Aaron Sele, a former Met, and other clues, Hecksher Fields and Umpire Rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yut

This didn't really add to the path/trail but I figured it'd help from people still lingering on clues from video1

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Here is my analysis of the clues in the second episode along with my updated map for those who want to follow along.

1. The first obvious clue-type statements in this episode seem to be when the Captain says: "Crothers, fire a cannonball o'er her bridge, south by southwest. And Tom, for the sake of clue type order here's where you be insertin' your words from the last video."

According to wikipedia there is no such marine compass designation as south by southwest. This could mean a couple of things. First, it could just be an error or oversight on the part of the puppetmasters, in which case the problem is figuring out whether they meant to refer to the directions of south by west, south-southwest, or southwest by south. Second, it could have been a purposeful error, in order to further obfuscate the clue or just to add some character to the episode. The fact that Crothers subsequently fails to understand the direction, asking "Did he say west or southwest? All I hear be screamin'" is suggestive of this. Third, it could be a reference to the South by Southwest (SXSW) festival held in Austin, Texas every Spring. This seems like the least likely of the explanations due to the lack of connections between SXSW and Central Park.

Looking at the compass rose, you can see that if the Captain simply meant to say southwest by south and misspoke, the proper direction to follow after the Chess & Checkers House would be between 208.13° and 219.37° on the compass rose (with 213.75° being the midpoint direction). If Crothers was right, and the Captain had really intended to say south by west, then the direction would be between 185.63° and 196.87° on the compass rose (with 191.25° being the midpoint direction). Alternatively, if the Captain had simply meant to indicate south-southwest, then the proper direction would be between 196.88° and 208.12°on the compass rose (with 202.50° being the midpoint direction.)

Using this compass graphic as a reference, I plotted a line straight from the Chess & Checkers House using all three options. Only south-southwest created a line that passed "o'er her bridge", in this case over the Driprock Arch. I added the compass to the map centered over the Chess & Checkers House, in this map for ease of reference for anyone who wants to try plotting different directions. The fact that the Captain orders Crothers to fire a cannonball "o'er her bridge" suggests to me that the path is supposed to go over the Driprock Arch, rather than underneath it.

2. The next clue is clearly Tom's numbers, which I think we are all in agreement is likely a reference to the lampposts in Central Park. Presumably we are intended to walk a path to each lamppost in the order they were named, i.e. from 6323, to 6251, to 6229.

3. After the lampposts the next clue is the Captain's order to Crothers to "fire south" and "[a]im below their bridge." The only "bridges" south of the lampposts are Pinebank Arch and Greyshot Arch. I had originally focused on Greyshot Arch because the name sounded like cannon fire to me due to the inclusion of the words "grey" and "shot." However, looking at the map reveals that Pinebank Arch is the more likely candidate of the two, since (a) it is directly south of the last lamppost marker, and (b) according to the official Central Park website, "[t]he misnamed Pine Bank Arch is more accurately a bridge...." Presumably, by contrast Greyshot Arch is not a bridge at all? The reference to aiming below a bridge, indicates to me that one should walk below the bridge.

4. The next clue relates to the Lieutenant on the foredeck giving the sign of victory, who turns out to be a kid with four guys behind him, along with smoldering cannons of destruction. This seems to me to also be a reference to the Maine Monument, since as this page explains, the figures adorning the monument are: Victory, Peace, Courage, Fortitude and Justice. The pictures of the Maine Monument found on this page also show that a figure of a young man is standing on the foredeck of a vessel flanked by one male figure and two female figures in the background.

I have not been able to get definite answers on this point, but I believe that the goddess Columbia (symbol of America) is depicted in bronze at the top of the monument flanked by the tririga. According to this page, the bronze used for these figures was recovered from the guns of the U.S.S. Maine itself, which would make them the "smoldering cannons of destruction." As for the identities of the remaining figures at the base of the monument, there seems to be some uncertainty and conflicting descriptions abound. However, this page explains:

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In the front of the tall shaft is an allegorical group arranged in a ship configuration, entitled The Antebellum State of Mind: Courage Awaiting the Flight of Peace and Fortitude Supporting the Feeble. The youth at the prow of the ship holds his hands in the sign of the Victory that he represents. Recumbent figures at the side fountains represent the Atlantic and Pacific, while those at the rear represent The Post-Bellum Idea: Justice Receiving Back the Sword Entrusted to War.

This description seems accurate, since this page shows another casting of the Fortitude figure from the original sculptor.

Despite some potential uncertainty regarding the identity of the figures, it seems clear that the clues point towards the Maine Monument as being the next location, particularly when looked at in conjunction with Mulligan's dialogue about "peace, courage, fortitude, and justice." Thus, the next stop is the Maine Monument which is located at the Merchants' Gate Entrance to the park.

5. The last clue is the Captain's statement that "[o]ur last heading were for the silver coast of Africa." There appears to be consensus on this board that this is simply a reference to the metal globe sculpture that sits in front of the Trump International Hotel. According to this page the globe was designed by Kim Brandell and a look at his website reveals that he has actually made similar globes for a number of other Trump properties around the world. As you can see from this picture, the globe is basically sitting right above the entrance to the subway where the A, B, C and D trains run.

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A Good Question

I think that the next big question we should ask ourselves during the next episodes is WHAT AND WHERE IS TUTTY?

anybody think this will be an important clue also?

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Re: red sleeves

enaxor wrote:
tammyrichards43 wrote:
I just got to thinking about the red sleeve or is it sleeves being cut off....
Is that to make a vest? What would vest have to do with this?


Sleeves is also a term used in sports uniforms. Any baseball teams that use red sleeves or used to use red sleeves?


Concession stand workers usually wear red vests?

Grasping at straws...

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fellowtraveler wrote:
Here is my analysis of the clues in the second episode along with my updated map for those who want to follow along.


Great post. I agree with pretty much everything you said here. The next video is probably going to entail us taking the subway somewhere else.

I really do think that when all is said and done, we're going to have a clearcut map like the one you posted that takes us straight to where the treasure is.

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A couple of things - I think south by southwest is sortof the direction the path takes - it isn't straight south or southwest...that is what I thought of with that clue.

As for large video files: it seems that we can embed youtube on the forums here, so that would work.
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Subway Info

Thanks fellowtraveler. You have an excellent method for reducing the "noise" and sticking to the solid clues. I thought the following information might be useful in everybody's hunt.

Here is a link to the MTA subway map. The enlargeable pdf version can be found here. A useful chart as to which lines are "local" or "express" can be found on the NYC Subway Wikipedia page.

Both MTA maps show that in addition to the AC and the BD lines, the 123 train can also be boarded at Columbus Circle. If the 123 line is taken to its last stop in Manhattan (South Ferry) then anyone can get off and board the free ferry boat ride to Staten Island and take it to the St. George terminal.

Traveling on a boat seems apt for a pirate themed treasure hunt and it's my guess as to what comes next. The ferry passes the Statue of Liberty, so any upcoming clues referencing the statue would be a good indicator that my hunch is correct.

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Re: Subway Info

monkeypanky wrote:
Thanks fellowtraveler. You have an excellent method for reducing the "noise" and sticking to the solid clues. I thought the following information might be useful in everybody's hunt.

Here is a link to the MTA subway map. The enlargeable pdf version can be found here. A useful chart as to which lines are "local" or "express" can be found on the NYC Subway Wikipedia page.

Both MTA maps show that in addition to the AC and the BD lines, the 123 train can also be boarded at Columbus Circle. If the 123 line is taken to its last stop in Manhattan (South Ferry) then anyone can get off and board the free ferry boat ride to Staten Island and take it to the St. George terminal.

Traveling on a boat seems apt for a pirate themed treasure hunt and it's my guess as to what comes next. The ferry passes the Statue of Liberty, so any upcoming clues referencing the statue would be a good indicator that my hunch is correct.

Thanks fellowtravler, I couldnt agree more with what monkeypanky said.

And thanks monkeypanky for the links, I think they will be very useful next week.

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Re: Subway Info

monkeypanky wrote:


Traveling on a boat seems apt for a pirate themed treasure hunt and it's my guess as to what comes next. The ferry passes the Statue of Liberty, so any upcoming clues referencing the statue would be a good indicator that my hunch is correct.


Mulligan on twitter: Sometimes I forgets stuff. Like why I opened the refrigerator. Or where we docked the ship. Or where I buried me treasure.

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