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SuperStella
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jrc's thoughts

jrc wrote:
It could be that there are no clues on the ticker at all. But what it says is that the directions to Pittsburgh are not a clue, not that everything in the ticker is not a clue. It also reminds us that there are many things that are not clues. It says if you spent the entire episode reading the ticker that you missed the clues. I think it just tells us there are clues that are not on the ticker, duh.

That seems like a more straight forward interpretation. "Hey you missed more clues if all you did was read the ticker". I can agree with that.

jrc wrote:
It seems to me that if the episode only gets us from the Columbus Circle station onto one train and partway along the route without even specifying an exit station, it hasn't moved things along as much as I would expect. While fellowtraveler worked hard at it, trying to connect every scene change with a train change seems like way too much on the other hand.

Correct, after episode two it's be concluded that we are entering the subway at 59th St/Columbus Circle near the "Silver Coast of Africa" that's in front of the Trump Building. FT's work has been top notch, but I think that we may have totally over-analyzed the route. I'd like to think they are going to make the clues complicated enough to require a map and some intermediate NYC knowledge, but not so much as to backtrack, confuse and ultimately frustrate.

jrc wrote:
If we are headed to Flushing Meadows to the Mets' stadium as Crothers' hat would suggest, we would have to take the 7 train on the purple line, right? There seems to be no indication of that. And the Captain burns the hat before Fafa calls the blue over orange/yellow a clue.

If we are headed to Citi Field, we missed some steps. The only trains (from my subway map) at Columbus Circle are the 1 and A,B,C,D (its on my iTouch, so I might be misreading the key – feel free to correct). To get to the 7 (purple) we'd have to take the 1 downtown to 42nd Street/Times Spr… or maybe the A or C to 42nd Street/ Port Authority Bus Terminal and then walk (right?) to the 7 train. That's the fastest route to Queens/Met's Stadium.

jrc wrote:
We haven't identified some clues along the way, I think. I can't find a connection with the Firefly show, for instance. The 4/5 stuff is probably something, but we haven't figured out what. The apparent route does not go through Cortlandt St station, nor to van Cortlandt Park (note by the way, the different spelling from the video). Who or what is Mr. L? Is Willow, Willow Lake?

I agree that Firefly is probably a clue (and was a neat show) as well as the 4/5 stuff. Ug. My head hurts.

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b8sbal3
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Split up?

Is it possible that they all split up at Columbus Cirlce? that would be indicated by the fact that they are each in their own box. It is also further reinforced what Mulligan says that there four in our crew.

Without extensive knowlwdge of the NYC subway system, someone else would have to tell me if they all got on different trains (perhaps indicated by their background color), and met up again at Roosevelt Ave./Jackson Heights (fits in with all of the Teddy Roosevelt refences thus far). they then got on the fifth line there (which I believe someone said was a fifth line, but not visable from the other four) and took that to Willits Point....thus tying in the globe and the Mets references.

Also, I think that the globe is significant because the Larry King episode seems to be an aside from their journey. When the captain says "our last heading be for the silver coast of Africa" at the end of episode two....it would still hold true.

Perhaps the journey will be important, but I feel like we neeed to at least get to the correct end point of the episode......

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Re: Split up?

b8sbal3 wrote:
Is it possible that they all split up at Columbus Cirlce? that would be indicated by the fact that they are each in their own box. It is also further reinforced what Mulligan says that there four in our crew.


I like this idea. I took a quick look at it before.

Using some of fellowtravelers ideas:

    The Captain could take the C (commander) train and the M train (ending orange) (same problem as FT had figuring the H)
    Crothers the C (crewmember), then the S (black and white), the B (brigand) train, and the R (roughian) train (ending yellow)
    Mulligan somehow has to get to the F (first) and M (mate) train (ending orange) Maybe he had to take a "British two-decker" first, he is the last one to arrive below?
    Tom takes the C (corsair) and S (supremo), then the N or Q (yellow), the R (peeks into Crothers' orange box), then the E (peeks into Mario's blue box)


We haven't accounted for the British two-decker clue in the last episode yet. Maybe they took the subway because they "can't beat" the bus on foot? Or maybe it is used by Mulligan as I suggest above, though that rings a bit false for me.

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Re: spelling errors are often sign of anagrams
cental and 10,0000

UDbmas wrote:
The Spaniard wrote:

In the case of an extra "0" one might consider whether it is binary code.
offhand, I don't know what 100000 is in binary code.


That would be 32 in binary. But perhaps it is the format we need to decode, where the comma is? Maybe we need to convert $10,0000 somethings into USD $10,000, and the somethings are a location clue.

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On anagrams generally, the string of the cast of characters from Dawn of the Living Dead, at 41 characters, is too long for an anagram. Also, they are the actual cast members (see Wikipedia) and Scott is the only one who uses his middle initial on the standard lists and so its use does not point to something that should be anagrammed.


Actually it was the period after the middle initial that started me on the anagram trail. (St. Nicholas) 41 letters isn't all that long. I have had longer ones in other puzzle-quests. Frequently puzzlemasters will deliberately make them longer to circumnavigate most of the online anagram engines (well, at least the FREE ones).

I am intrigued by the use of numbers in this episode. All those in the ticker (45 minutes, roads, distances, etc.), as well as those intimated if we consicer things like 10,000=32. Maybe these are bus routes or specific Hardy Boys books? I think I have the first ones in the ticker figured out (the DOW numbers):
"DOW, E.P. [up] 0.3" E.P. ="episode" so there are 3 episodes done, and :TOTAL EXPECTED, DOW, E.P. [up] 0.8" means 8 total episodes expected. I don't know if "DOW" is an acronym for anything or not, or maybe it is a "key" to a cryptogram we haven't found, e.g. DOW = WLG?



That makes some sense because noone has pointed out yet 3 letters that dont fit like the ones in other episodes

Episode 1=ELE
Episode 2=TUT
Episode 3=DOW or WLG or ???

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UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
Any one have any ideas on what the black verticle line is east of Flushing Meadows on the lightboard??? It's driving me crazy!

p.s. I really wish we had seperate threads for different episodes or different clues Sad


Using the subway map as the template for the lightboard, then looking at a map online (satellite view) it looks to me like it is 94th St/Junction Blvd. On the satellite map, the road isn't absolutely straight, but it is on the subway map. BTW, for orienting the light board, I think the small skull-shaped island over Larry's shoulder is Rikers.

I see the map a little differently.....I believe the green skull shaped island over Larry's right shoulder is Randalls Island Park and the light blue island over his left shoulder is Rikers.
If the black line is 94th St.....why is it blacked out here??

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Re: spelling errors are often sign of anagrams
cental and 10,0000

snwboarder512 wrote:
UDbmas wrote:
The Spaniard wrote:

In the case of an extra "0" one might consider whether it is binary code.
offhand, I don't know what 100000 is in binary code.


That would be 32 in binary. But perhaps it is the format we need to decode, where the comma is? Maybe we need to convert $10,0000 somethings into USD $10,000, and the somethings are a location clue.

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On anagrams generally, the string of the cast of characters from Dawn of the Living Dead, at 41 characters, is too long for an anagram. Also, they are the actual cast members (see Wikipedia) and Scott is the only one who uses his middle initial on the standard lists and so its use does not point to something that should be anagrammed.


Actually it was the period after the middle initial that started me on the anagram trail. (St. Nicholas) 41 letters isn't all that long. I have had longer ones in other puzzle-quests. Frequently puzzlemasters will deliberately make them longer to circumnavigate most of the online anagram engines (well, at least the FREE ones).

I am intrigued by the use of numbers in this episode. All those in the ticker (45 minutes, roads, distances, etc.), as well as those intimated if we consicer things like 10,000=32. Maybe these are bus routes or specific Hardy Boys books? I think I have the first ones in the ticker figured out (the DOW numbers):
"DOW, E.P. [up] 0.3" E.P. ="episode" so there are 3 episodes done, and :TOTAL EXPECTED, DOW, E.P. [up] 0.8" means 8 total episodes expected. I don't know if "DOW" is an acronym for anything or not, or maybe it is a "key" to a cryptogram we haven't found, e.g. DOW = WLG?



That makes some sense because noone has pointed out yet 3 letters that dont fit like the ones in other episodes

Episode 1=ELE
Episode 2=TUT
Episode 3=DOW or WLG or ???


Another three letter option is "TLK". Why call the Show "The Larry King"?

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Does anybody know who the guys who planted the treasure are? Or why?

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UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
Any one have any ideas on what the black verticle line is east of Flushing Meadows on the lightboard??? It's driving me crazy!

p.s. I really wish we had seperate threads for different episodes or different clues Sad


Using the subway map as the template for the lightboard, then looking at a map online (satellite view) it looks to me like it is 94th St/Junction Blvd. On the satellite map, the road isn't absolutely straight, but it is on the subway map. BTW, for orienting the light board, I think the small skull-shaped island over Larry's shoulder is Rikers.

I see the map a little differently.....I believe the green skull shaped island over Larry's right shoulder is Randalls Island Park and the light blue island over his left shoulder is Rikers.
If the black line is 94th St.....why is it blacked out here??


LaGuardia Airport? No unsecured "public" areas..."fuhgeddaboudit"


The airport code for LaGuardia is LGA if that helps any.

My brain is soup Sad

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Does anybody know who the guys who planted the treasure are? Or why?


This will help answer your question.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/the-pirates-are-puppets-but-the-treasure-they-say-is-real/

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UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
Any one have any ideas on what the black verticle line is east of Flushing Meadows on the lightboard??? It's driving me crazy!

p.s. I really wish we had seperate threads for different episodes or different clues Sad


Using the subway map as the template for the lightboard, then looking at a map online (satellite view) it looks to me like it is 94th St/Junction Blvd. On the satellite map, the road isn't absolutely straight, but it is on the subway map. BTW, for orienting the light board, I think the small skull-shaped island over Larry's shoulder is Rikers.

I see the map a little differently.....I believe the green skull shaped island over Larry's right shoulder is Randalls Island Park and the light blue island over his left shoulder is Rikers.
If the black line is 94th St.....why is it blacked out here??


LaGuardia Airport? No unsecured "public" areas..."fuhgeddaboudit"


The black line does look like it's coming down from the airport.

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UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:

The black line does look like it's coming down from the airport.


The airport takes up that whole area from the "pier" just to the left of your arrow over to the dip to the right of the black line. So the black line seems to be coming out of the airport above the first E in East elmhurst. I don't think the black line exactly matches 94th St. though. Maybe we follow the black line to the spot where it intersects with whichever train we are supposed to be on (sort of "X marks the spot)?

Yes, the E is exactly where it is. On google maps it looks like if I drew a straight line down from there it would pass over the 74th St.- Broadway-Jackson Heights/Roosevelt Ave. Station? I just don't see anything else of interest that it would pass over. Hopefully I'm not making a mountain out of a mole hill and this black line is really some kind of clue at something and not just the way they decided to set up the lights lol
Another thing on the lightboard that is making me crazy is the north east border of central park above Harlem Meer, why is the park extended there ?? that area is a Correctional Service Dept. ?? Just a mistake??

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