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Xeno Lambrose
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 		Monkey, Coelacanth, Latimer, Smith, clock & moon, oh my!
The photo is a dudette (lol), not a dude, and I don't believe it is the same pattern on each dress:

Found at:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fish/letters.html
Photos of:
Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer
J.L.B. Smith
and their letters of correspondence regarding the "find" of the fish that turned out to be the once-thought extinct Coelacanth.

I posted on June 11 regarding the "Traffic Lights" blurb on the Rocket Poppeteers page. Wasn't the person advocating this named Smith?

Could just be a coincindence with the "Smith" name, but it's interesting to note the letter exchange between the above mentioned parties upon the find. Should we parse the letters for possible clues? In the letters there are some pretty graphic and bizarre attributes about the Coelacanth.

Moon positions that correspond to the time on the antique clock 11:36:24, or 23:36:24, military time:
July 10th and 24th if in the AM; the 23rd if in the PM.

And I posted my musings earlier on one of the forums regarding what seem to me to be major differences with the craigslist clock and all other "Estate Sale" items.

SeekerX, on June 12th, on the "new print out" forum I said, in part: "did you notice that the position of the monkey, in relation to the hanging parts of the bow, are not the same."

For reasons already elaborated on by others, I feel the hat with brooch/pin are the same in the original STIES photo and the craigslist posting, but for some reason (important?) either the monkey pin/brooch was repositioned, or the bow was--I believe it was the pin/brooch, but again, why?

Josh states in his April 8th blog:
"Hopefully, I didn't scare you guys off with my last post. Although I don't do this for a living, I am quite knowledgable(sic) – promise."

Did you find anything in his prior post that would "scare you guys off?" And he promises that he is "quite knowledgable" (sic). He even promises, but as I said in a prior post, for the Coelacanth to be his prize fish, he doesn't seem to know that no one has been able to keep a captured on alive in an aquarium, and why wouldn't the one person who responded to his inquiries, Shelly, who we're led to believe works at a location where there are aquariums, have told him this information?

And I concur that the shroom post is GJ--wouldn't be surprised to see plenty more before "It Arrives."

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:54 am
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multipsychoapopheniosis
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 		Cool find! But picture comes from meemi (via youtube) which is assumed to be gamejack. This muddies the water further.....

Quote:
Josh states in his April 8th blog:
"Hopefully, I didn't scare you guys off with my last post. Although I don't do this for a living, I am quite knowledgable(sic) – promise."

Did you find anything in his prior post that would "scare you guys off?" And he promises that he is "quite knowledgable" (sic). He even promises, but as I said in a prior post, for the Coelacanth to be his prize fish, he doesn't seem to know that no one has been able to keep a captured on alive in an aquarium, and why wouldn't the one person who responded to his inquiries, Shelly, who we're led to believe works at a location where there are aquariums, have told him this information?


Not really - Bit of ranting about a childhood book (Moby Dick), and then several posts about attempts to track down Coelacanth

Quote:
And I concur that the shroom post is GJ--wouldn't be surprised to see plenty more before "It Arrives."


Possibly or a timely coincidence. The date of registration is 05/07/2010 which I assume is mm/dd/yyyy - so before we knew of Josh and hooklineandminker

PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:07 am
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 		Re: Monkey, Coelacanth, Latimer, Smith, clock & moon, oh my!
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
The photo is a dudette (lol), not a dude, and I don't believe it is the same pattern on each dress:

Found at:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/fish/letters.html
Photos of:
Marjorie Courtenay-Latimer
J.L.B. Smith
and their letters of correspondence regarding the "find" of the fish that turned out to be the once-thought extinct Coelacanth.

I posted on June 11 regarding the "Traffic Lights" blurb on the Rocket Poppeteers page. Wasn't the person advocating this named Smith?

Could just be a coincidence with the "Smith" name, but it's interesting to note the letter exchange between the above mentioned parties upon the find. Should we parse the letters for possible clues? In the letters there are some pretty graphic and bizarre attributes about the Coelacanth.

Moon positions that correspond to the time on the antique clock 11:36:24, or 23:36:24, military time:
July 10th and 24th if in the AM; the 23rd if in the PM.

And I posted my musings earlier on one of the forums regarding what seem to me to be major differences with the craigslist clock and all other "Estate Sale" items.

SeekerX, on June 12th, on the "new print out" forum I said, in part: "did you notice that the position of the monkey, in relation to the hanging parts of the bow, are not the same."

For reasons already elaborated on by others, I feel the hat with brooch/pin are the same in the original STIES photo and the craigslist posting, but for some reason (important?) either the monkey pin/brooch was repositioned, or the bow was--I believe it was the pin/brooch, but again, why?

Josh states in his April 8th blog:
"Hopefully, I didn't scare you guys off with my last post. Although I don't do this for a living, I am quite knowledgable(sic) – promise."

Did you find anything in his prior post that would "scare you guys off?" And he promises that he is "quite knowledgable" (sic). He even promises, but as I said in a prior post, for the Coelacanth to be his prize fish, he doesn't seem to know that no one has been able to keep a captured on alive in an aquarium, and why wouldn't the one person who responded to his inquiries, Shelly, who we're led to believe works at a location where there are aquariums, have told him this information?

And I concur that the shroom post is GJ--wouldn't be surprised to see plenty more before "It Arrives."


Nice find! Very interesting reading their correspondence on the discovery. Who knew we would get a history lesson out of this.

I think the Smith is a coincidence since it's a very common name. I agree that there was nothing in his posts to scare us off other than his odd quest and strange admiration for rare fish. I'd still like to know how he had any followers because there were no posts on his site. Maybe they did not carry over from his old site and wonder if it's still out there somewhere? I also agree that it's odd for someone to look for a live specimen of an endangered fish in an area that they are not known to inhabit that cannot be kept in captivity even after being told by professionals and laughed at for even asking with over 20 years of experience you would think he might have a clue. Whew, that was a long sentence. I think I need to go to bed!

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FilmEdge wrote:

When he did escape, he embedded the A=B code into the middle of the video for others to decipher (a subtle clue most may not catch amid the torrent of videos online).



apologies for self-trout, but i was saying earlier about how unproffesional it would seem for a ARG to use youtube annotations rather than an actual clue edited into the video. regardless of hte characters little experience with computers. just seems fishy's all.

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 		Re: the 3 reasons why I don't believe Minker to be IG
SeekerX wrote:
At first I thought CL and all was a cool find. But I was also sceptical. More and more guests and rare posters (and... you know...) joined in on those threads and it was strange from the beginning on...
Here are my 3 thoughts why Minker is not part of the game:

The photos: The tail of the monkey in our original photo points away from the slip-knot at thte hat. The one on the CL photo points towards it. There's no way of flipping the image to achieve this. And as Minker says it's a brooch or pin so it can't be attached "the other way around" either.

The dates: He waits almost one and a half months between posting about "authentication" on ATS and replying to the Other One "I have the damn thing"? (See theBruce's Wiki for the time frame.) Doesn't sound logic to me. Not at all. With something strange/important as that I would be very eager to find out what it is.

The shrooms: I may be wrong here but it is my common sense that this ARG is not played by adults only. There are also kids and young adolescents involved, as is my guess. Do you think the PR company would include an individual linking to a drug-related site? In my opinion it would be a little unresponsible and may fetch law enforcement by caring parents (at least in the US Wink ).

A minor fourth reason is we have not heard back from Josh since he has been contacted a few days ago. I don't want to be him, anyways. Just lost his mum and now this... Well, I just hope he's not too angry.


you just need to put the monkey on the other side of the bow for it to face inwards. simples.
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 		just a thought but what if the central bit of the hat came off and was some kind of secret compartment to keep the film of the alien in?? that would explain the bow being moved and would fit with the conceal hat anagram of coelacanth i found. i know theres simpler explanations and ochams razor would rule my idea out but its a thought.
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 		yeah I'm totally down with that... I think he posted on the UFO site and then the PDP-11 stuff is in response to his findings and that the reversed photo is him showing second person what he found in hat.

Also, and I have said this before, the third line on the hand written note on the craiglists looks like REV if you ask me. VER - REV

and trying to guess at his job, what sort of computer would he be using at work that he couldn't blog on? why would a PDP-11 simulator be used? obviously he's not that good either with a comp as people have mentioned his blog site is very ammature.

Also, something to note Coelacanth also known as Kombessa, Gombessa, Mame, Rajah Laut, king of the sea.
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ssx3master wrote:

Check my pictures, I have circled some points of interest. The folds in the bow on the hat in the CL pic and on the STIES pic match exactly. This is the same hat. If you ask me, all Josh Minker related things are absolutely IG.
(page 12)

OK, you got me convinced. The continuity lady/guy did a good job there. I didn't pay attention to the folds, they do match perfectly. Discussions about the importance of the brooch itself have already been made, so I won't dabble into that, too. Although I'll have my own little attempt at it Smile.

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slinkydge wrote:
can any one do anything with the reflection in the clock? http://swv.craigslist.org/atq/1797809591.html

there's something there I can't make it out.



There is also a reflection on the table at the top in the picture with the dress.

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 		hmmm, that's a big slip if it is one. I am inclined to think the monkey is indicative of something. Maybe we need to get the monkey and/or the hat facing the correct direction. I am willing to bet that monkey is playing some kind of role.

BTW, i am aware that monkeys are a regular appearance in these ARGs however they are not typically repeated like this one.

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 		Why does everyone call the monkey a brooch? That monkey looks sown into the hat to me. Maybe I don't know what a brooch is.

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SyNeSTro wrote:
Why does everyone call the monkey a brooch? That monkey looks sown into the hat to me. Maybe I don't know what a brooch is.


Because thats how its listed on CL..

http://swv.craigslist.org/clo/1797822088.html

Interesting to note that he says "Lots history here but I dont have time to get it appraised....."


Anyone emailed him asking about the 'history' of this hat?

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		Brooch
http://www.fdjtool.com/custom.aspx?id=17 says:
brooch - A piece of jewelry that is worn pinned to clothing at the neck, shoulder, breast or hat. Can also be worn in the hair.

I commented somewhere else that it seemed odd that Josh would describe it:
"...iron brooch/pin."

Iron? That seems an odd metal, or does it?

And regarding whomever (can't recall, or if that's what was meant) said the photo is GJ; the photo is of the lady the Coelacanth species was named after.

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		Post sent to Josh; re: the hat & brooch/pin
Sent to the person who posted (at the time I sent it, it had not been determined that it was Josh):

"Sir or madam;

I'm interested in your hat, and monkey brooch.

You mentioned that the brooch was "iron," is that accurate? It looks to be plated gold with some other metal.

You mnetioned "lots history here." Can you elabor8?

What price/trade have you considered?

Thank you for your time,

Xeno"

And no, received no response from our mystery man!

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 		Re: Brooch
Xeno Lambrose wrote:


And regarding whomever (can't recall, or if that's what was meant) said the photo is GJ; the photo is of the lady the Coelacanth species was named after.


I still believe the youtube video and meemi sight is a GJ. And here is why.

As noted before the registration dates are after the acknowledgment of HLM and Josh's name coming out.

Anyone doing research on Coelacanth's can easily find that photo. A prospective GJ would try to make people believe they are the real deal, using that photo would make their site appear to be valid.

The Youtube video was not found via any confirmed sites. It was located by a random search, there where no clues in any of the previously confirmed sites to lead to youtube. Youtube lead to meemi so they are from the same source.

To restate what someone else brought up, a serious game of this nature and with these resources would not use a youtube over video comment for a clue. The clue would be put into the video.

Those are my reasons. The most important in my book is the fact that we did not find the youtube video from any of the three confirmed websites. It was discovered after hlm and registered after HLM was discovered... clear signs of GJ.

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