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Christian Watson
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 		Minker, england...
A couple of things
FilmEdge wrote:
Christian Watson wrote:
"there had been a claim of a coelacanth at Tahiti which was never further corroborated. There have been claims from the North Sea to the Mediterranean and from Bermuda and Florida"

(Quote from http://www.dinofish.com/southpacific.html)

Another bit of evidence that strengthens my case...but still nothing on aquariums or paper importers.


Not to argue, just something I noted:

Above you just used a quote saying coelacanths have been claimed to be found in the Mediterranean and from Bermuda and Florida. Yet in your 'supporting argument' post you say:

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5) The Coelacanth doesn't like warm water and Josh has stated in the email that they could be sighted ANYWHERE, and the North sea and Atlantic are pretty cold.


The Med, Bermuda and Florida are warm water regions, and right next to your highlighted pull of the North Sea. Your latest quote seems to contradict your own #5 point earlier, as would the note that they could be sighted "ANYWHERE". Anywhere doesn't seem to discount cold or warm water locations, does it? Your evidence points to a variety of region findings, not just the North Sea.




Good work, I'm still 50/50 on the england connection- but with respect to the warm waters part of this, in the warm water areas the Coelacanth swims at a depth where the water is a lot colder- so it isn't so far fetched for it to be found in the North Sea. I've been trying to find where this sighting came from but no such luck so far.

There is a massive chance I'm wrong, but isn't it the PMs job to throw us off the scent? To give us clues that we can read a number of ways? It's all just speculation at the moment, I agree on that.

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Just hopin to drive him out w/ sarcasm. Smile

This is not a sentiment we want. Driving someone out is not in keeping with the mantra of uF to "Play Nice".
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morrison42zero
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Euchre wrote:
morrison42zero wrote:
Just hopin to drive him out w/ sarcasm. Smile

This is not a sentiment we want. Driving someone out is not in keeping with the mantra of uF to "Play Nice".


Sorry. But it seemed to be a prank. In no way do i want to discourage newcomers. You're right. My bad.

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vapor
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 		Re: Minker, england...
A couple of things
Christian Watson wrote:
isn't it the PMs job to throw us off the scent? To give us clues that we can read a number of ways?


Not typically but it is in the style of J.J./Bad Robot viral productions it seems. To be honest, none of the "puzzles" we've seen have had a definite answer. If we answer one thing it just leads to more questions or another puzzle. I'm hoping for a head asploding convergence of kloos at some point.

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FilmEdge
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 		Well, we are still a year away from SUPER 8 screening in theaters — it can't all make sense this early, there would be nothing left to do.

Enjoy the guessing part of the game while it lasts, peeps. ARGs and instant satisfaction would seem to be polar opposites. Very Happy

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		Minker, England connection?
Chistian wrote:

"Good work, I'm still 50/50 on the england connection- but with respect to the warm waters part of this, in the warm water areas the Coelacanth swims at a depth where the water is a lot colder- so it isn't so far fetched for it to be found in the North Sea."

This site:
http://www.divesitedirectory.co.uk/uk_england_south_coast.html

discusses:
"Scuba Diving on the South Coast of England"

And states:
"Water temperature: In March temperatures are around 7°C (45°F) and by May they have generally reached 9°C (48°F). The sea continues to warm up over the summer to a maximum of about 17°C (63°F) in August and September"

Other sites dealing with water temps for seas/oceans seem to refer to the surface temperature, and if you check out the effect of the thermocline, temps do drop the deeper you go. If the abovementioned temps are for the surface water, then at the depths that the coelacanth has been found, according to the information below, the water temp would be too cold (in the waters off England) for the coelacanth.

Although the below quoted portion of the wikipedia article does say, "the coelacanth must stay in cold, well-oxygenated water," that is in relation to what the surface water temperature is in the area noted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latimeria states:

"The coelacanths which live near Sodwana Bay, South Africa, rest in caves at depths of 90 to 150 m during daylight hours, but disperse and swim to depths as shallow as 55 m when hunting at night. The depth is not as important as their need for very dim light and, more importantly, for water which has a temperature of 14 to 22 °C {converted to 57.2 - 71.6 °F}. They will rise or sink to find these conditions. The amount of oxygen that their blood can absorb from the water through the gills is dependent on water temperature. Scientific research suggests that the coelacanth must stay in cold, well-oxygenated water or else their blood cannot absorb enough oxygen."

I can't recall if it was you or someone else that had suggested that possibly in Josh's replies from Shelly, her comment regarding, "nonprofit conservancies across the east coast" was a reference to the east coast of England.

If you were raised in England, or have lived there for some time, I'm sure that had there been any words Josh or Shelly wrote to substantiate your "Josh-England" connection, you would have discussed them.

I am not from England, but I did look over what had been written for any words or phrases that should have been different had they come from someone English, rather than American.

In Shelly's second reply to Josh, she stated that she did not know "any private collectors that specialize in the Coelacanth."

http://issuu.com/joeyhclai/docs/english_spelling_guide states, using "specialise/specialize":

"For a large number of words, although both –ise and –ize are acceptable in British English, the –ise form is used by the government and is more prevalent in common usage within the United Kingdom today. American usage accepts only –ize endings in most cases."

It seems that the way you figured on England was either a correlation of the high/low tide times with a locale in England compared to Josh's "rare fish spotting calendar," and/or the difference in the (actual) times when readers had posted comments compared to how they were noted on the hlm site.

If that REALLY is the case, have you considered looking somewhere else south of England, yet still in the northern hemisphere. Seems to me there are islands off the North West coast of Africa that may fall into those parameters—at least time wise, and the ocean temperature would be closer to the habitat of the coelacanth.

I appreciate your lateral thinking.

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		The list of posted commenters
The other day I posted the list of who we could cross out as having been accounted for on another site and asked if there was anyone who could account for those remaining:
Kraten (06/07) - 28/6 -- accounted for
Marj (06/07) - 29/6 -- accounted for
KK (06/07) - 29/6
Meena (06/07) -30/6 -- accounted for
George (06/07) - 30/6 Removed for some reason, presumably for including scariestthingieversaw on his post -- accounted for
Division (06/07) -30/6
Eric Schuran (05/10) -30/6
Aaron (06/07) -1/7
Ron (04/02) - 1/7

I just noticed that the following had been posted on that site:

Division says:
July 11, 2010 at 12:44 am
I'm the Division who posted a comment on HookLineAndMinker and I absolutely have nothing to do with the ARG.

So, we can scratch through Division.

Anyone else?

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Helter Skelter
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 		i said this once before, but the only full name there, eric schuran, seems to be a real person. he has a soundclick page and makes music:

www.soundclick.com/members/default.cfm?member=Eric+Schuran

thats assuming that this is the eric schuran who posted. but even if its not, we can be fairly sure that hes not IG because if he was, we would probably be some results for the character in a google search.
....right?

anyone else think we could reasonably cross him off?
just looking for some feedback.

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Melodyman
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 		Re: The list of posted commenters
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
The other day I posted the list of who we could cross out as having been accounted for on another site and asked if there was anyone who could account for those remaining:
Kraten (06/07) - 28/6 -- accounted for
Marj (06/07) - 29/6 -- accounted for
KK (06/07) - 29/6
Meena (06/07) -30/6 -- accounted for
George (06/07) - 30/6 Removed for some reason, presumably for including scariestthingieversaw on his post -- accounted for
Division (06/07) -30/6
Eric Schuran (05/10) -30/6
Aaron (06/07) -1/7
Ron (04/02) - 1/7

I just noticed that the following had been posted on that site:

Division says:
July 11, 2010 at 12:44 am
I'm the Division who posted a comment on HookLineAndMinker and I absolutely have nothing to do with the ARG.

So, we can scratch through Division.

Anyone else?


Which site is this posted on?

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		The other site
super8news.com

http://www.super8news.com/2010/06/30/new-print-out-craigslist-ad-josh-minker/comment-page-7/#comment-3298

Comment # 6

I can't recall anything about the following, also posted on that site:

14. geoearth says:
July 11, 2010 at 11:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/HastingsTravel#p/c/DBF0B1467749E707

found that through a link on joshs website. it was through a photo credit on the slideshow. the website it takes you to has a section for strange stuff and in it i found a youtube video with a host that takes you to travel destinations. interesting that this is the greenbriar hotel in w.virginia and there just happens to be a military bunker under the hotel. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I checked out the link and thought the poster was referring to the photo ttributed to FPTravels and then queried:

27. Xeno Lambrose says:
July 12, 2010 at 6:30 am
GeoEarth;

Can you post clearly how you got from FPTravels on the HLM site to the youtube vid?
Thankx

XL

The reply was this:

28. geoearth says:
July 12, 2010 at 8:03 am
@Xeno Lambrose

well on the minker site, to the left youll see the photo slider with some pictures of strange fish. if you scroll through the pics to the left youll get to one called the wolf fish. move your cursor over the pic and you get a description and photo credit of the pic. the credit went to someone named florin nedelcu. if you click on the name, youll get directed to the travel site "http://blog.hotelclub.com/worlds-10-ugliest-sea-creatures/" if you click on the link to "strange" just above the first photo of strange fish youll be directed to a list of different links one of them being the one about strange places. thats where the video came up. then i clicked through the youtube page of the guy hosting the video. found that video of the greenbriar hotel. but strangely i noticed how almost all his videos are in w. virginia…
Hadn't seen that discussed--may mean nothing, but thought I'd share.

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twodten
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 		Re: The other site
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
super8news.com

http://www.super8news.com/2010/06/30/new-print-out-craigslist-ad-josh-minker/comment-page-7/#comment-3298

Comment # 6

I can't recall anything about the following, also posted on that site:

14. geoearth says:
July 11, 2010 at 11:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/HastingsTravel#p/c/DBF0B1467749E707

found that through a link on joshs website. it was through a photo credit on the slideshow. the website it takes you to has a section for strange stuff and in it i found a youtube video with a host that takes you to travel destinations. interesting that this is the greenbriar hotel in w.virginia and there just happens to be a military bunker under the hotel. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I checked out the link and thought the poster was referring to the photo ttributed to FPTravels and then queried:

27. Xeno Lambrose says:
July 12, 2010 at 6:30 am
GeoEarth;

Can you post clearly how you got from FPTravels on the HLM site to the youtube vid?
Thankx

XL

The reply was this:

28. geoearth says:
July 12, 2010 at 8:03 am
@Xeno Lambrose

well on the minker site, to the left youll see the photo slider with some pictures of strange fish. if you scroll through the pics to the left youll get to one called the wolf fish. move your cursor over the pic and you get a description and photo credit of the pic. the credit went to someone named florin nedelcu. if you click on the name, youll get directed to the travel site "http://blog.hotelclub.com/worlds-10-ugliest-sea-creatures/" if you click on the link to "strange" just above the first photo of strange fish youll be directed to a list of different links one of them being the one about strange places. thats where the video came up. then i clicked through the youtube page of the guy hosting the video. found that video of the greenbriar hotel. but strangely i noticed how almost all his videos are in w. virginia…
Hadn't seen that discussed--may mean nothing, but thought I'd share.


Coincidental, but perhaps not related, that youtube account was created in 2006.

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		Youtube W. Va link?
Yes,

I noticed the age also, just sharing.

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paulisnofun
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 		Sorry if anyone mentioned this before...on hooklineandminker.com Josh says that he needs to transfer the journal to a new site (May 26), and on June 10th he says welcome to the new and improved home of hooklineandminker.com. Does anyone know if we can find the old site/journal. I checked livejournal, and xanga, and found nothing. Could Josh have another site out there that he hasn't deacivated or closed?

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Xeno Lambrose
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 		The old site Josh may have had
Paulisnofun;

The general feeling has been that HLM is IG, and I think that the assumption is that the claim of an old site is merely part of the backstory that the PMs have tried to establish in order to establish credibility/believeability, since there have been comments/post(s) dated before the STIES site/S8 trailer even came out; i.e. "Ron's" comment on, what was it, Feb 14?

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 		Eric Schuran
... "Fishy" Relationship?
I Googled "Eric Schuran +fish" and discovered a blog comment:
Quote:
anybody run a schuran jetstream calcium reactor??
5 posts - 3 authors - Last post: May 14, 2008
anybody run a schuran jetstream calcium reactor?? If so what are you feeding the reactor with. i ... eric is offline. Member eric's Avatar ...

schuran jetstream calcium reactor??

I looked up "Schuran Jetstream" ... It's real. (Prob OOG)
http://www.schuran.com/english/calciumsea.html
These are used for "Salt Water" aquariums!

However, when I type it into "images", a very curious photo popped up:
Jetstream_pen.jpg
 Description   The pens to the left are Uniball Jetstream. The pen with the red top is an OLD Pilot G-2. I used to sell these @ work. I knew the table item looked familiar, but Pilot changed the way their new pens look. Could be a clue to the date of the photo?
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