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I was thinking about that theory of the film returned to Josh in the hat, but I have no Idea how to put it togheter xD

comadarkvale wrote:
Would someone really send package before recieving payment?


I donīt know how itīs called, but thereīs a way, they send you the package, and you pay it on the postal Office when you get it. [And the google translator itīs not helping me with the name xD]

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Do you mean C.O.D.? Cash on delivery?
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Yeah! =D

I thought it was a mistake when I see the letters xD

Anyway, I guess after that, the seller gets the money of the sale =S

Just In Case, I know it as " Contra Reembolso"

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Re: Shellys Last Name and Golden Ratio

clinteaston wrote:
Just a thought that I had. Diverges a little from the current train of thought but I wanted to throw it out there.

Has anyone else noticed that there are 8 X's after Shelly's name. There are also 8 numbers in the Golden Ratio: 16180339

"Shelly XXXXXXXX"
16180339

Could the Golden Ratio perhaps be a code to finding out Shellys last name? I may be stretching here but thought this was a coincidence worth mentioning.

8 Numbers in Golden Ratio
8 Letters in her last name
Title is Super 8 (refers to film I know, but maybe JJ is running with a thing for 8's)

Thoughts?



Already mentioned a while ago.
Trout

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=714870&search_id=1462950356#714870

Don't be afraid to use the search function!

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Re: theory on acquisition of film

Xeno Lambrose wrote:
jchiv stated:
"So, previously Josh sent the hat to the person he thought was buying it only to have it returned - perhaps because the "deadbeat buyer" needed to get rid of the film."

So Josh sends a package to someone without receiving payment (?); that person opens the package; places the film in either another package and writes Josh's address on it and ships, or the same package and somehow puts Josh's address on another side of the box, erases his, and sends the package back to Josh with the film in it. Why? Why Josh?


"Deadbeat" implies that payment was not received or ended up being no good. Maybe Josh thought he had the payment. Maybe, being the understanding fellow of virtuous rural upbringing, was convinced to undo the transaction - he mentions having trouble selling old items due to tough times. Or maybe Josh unwittingly sent the film along with the hat and the person on the other end found the film and was so freaked by what s/he saw that they sent it back.

What I come back to is trying to understand why the hat, which is reposted on craigslist (the only item) is in the picture with the film and showed next to what looks like a box that was used for shipping. if that's what they're supposed to be.

All speculation - who can say... Being new to this I do enjoy trying to fit the pieces together and hope we get more clues soon. Thanks for indulging me!

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Apology and Thoughts on England Connection

Apologies for my double post earlier. Trout was well deserved. I have now read all 44 pages and I am confidently up to date!

Just wanted to pipe in on the England Connection:

Josh mentions that his friends brother knows a guy in Boston that could find him the fish in two weeks. Seems logical that Josh has local friends who know people in the general area, hence the fisherman in Boston. I also think the films setting of a train heading to a base in Ohio, the address in WV for the CL ad, the WV phone number for the memorial service, the Acton Mass reference in STIES...all seems to make it clear to me that the film will center around North East U.S

Thats just my arguement though Smile

Also, Josh collects rare fish right? The English Perch is common in England...but not in the U.S. Which means Josh would have to import it to the U.S to have one in his home aquarium (which we dont know if he does, but it wouldnt be a stretch if its his webpage background). But him living in the U.S would technically make the English Perch "Rare" or "Exotic" for someone in his region.

Thats all for now!

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Trout???????

smartmart wrote:
clinteaston wrote:
Just a thought that I had. Diverges a little from the current train of thought but I wanted to throw it out there.

Has anyone else noticed that there are 8 X's after Shelly's name. There are also 8 numbers in the Golden Ratio: 16180339

"Shelly XXXXXXXX"
16180339

Could the Golden Ratio perhaps be a code to finding out Shellys last name? I may be stretching here but thought this was a coincidence worth mentioning.

8 Numbers in Golden Ratio
8 Letters in her last name
Title is Super 8 (refers to film I know, but maybe JJ is running with a thing for 8's)

Thoughts?



Already mentioned a while ago.
Trout

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=714870&search_id=1462950356#714870

Don't be afraid to use the search function!


Your referencing post stated:

Quote:
#2
I found strange that the women he contacted at an aquarium signed her reply with : Shelly XXXXXXXX (yes 8 x's). Not a common way to end a message with a complete stranger. Also, her second reply, did not include the "xxxxxxx".


Where as you discussed the strangeness of the multiple x's, Clinteaston's theory was original and not previously discussed. Just a point.

Edited for Grammar
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Spec: Theory on acquisition of film

jchiv;

Thanks, I'm aware of what "deadbeat" means. You've offered your theory, how about this:

How about this:

Josh's mom:

1. dies and in going through her possessions comes across
A. a previously unopened box containing (?) addressed to his mother,
or
B. a box addressed and sent to his mother (for whatever reason) and
was kept for storage of items that perhaps had meant something to
her in the past, but had fell out of style, or items she was saving for
posterity, or for other family members, etc.
2. is near death, and she tells him that there is something in the
attic/basement/? in a box addressed to her/her husband/? that she
wants him to look into after she dies. She's very cryptic about it, but
does give details about some old super8 film that Josh's now-deceased
twin sister/brother had taken with some neighbor kids where they used
to live/currently live back in late 70s—early 80s. "Just watch the film
and you'll see that there were adults in part of the footage who may
still be alive today and be able to answer your questions."

After the death of Josh's mom, he unloads the box of its items, watches the film, and sorts through items he decides to sell, and lists them on craigslist.

Gets a bite on the hat, places a "SOLD" post-it note on the aforementioned box (with some of the packing material from the prior contents showing up in the STIES photo as partially in and out of the box), and prepares to use the scissors setting on top of the sheet of white paper (with help of the tape dispenser close by) to write the name and address of the prospective buyer on the sheet of paper, cut it to size, and tape it over the old address on the box and ship it.

He contacts the ATS web site and asks, "Hey - new to this site. Does anyone know the best way to authenticate something? Like old papers, photos, footage, etc? Are there experts for conspiracy related verifications? Would appreciate the help!"

Josh then learns his prospective buyer's check bounced, or the buyer contacts Josh, bailing on the deal.

He then reposts the hat, along with other items back on craigslist.

Josh hears from someone who can "authenticate… footage." They correspond, and this "mystery" person is satisfied that Josh might actually have the STIES footage, but wants to make sure, so he/she asks Josh to take a photograph of one of the frames in the leader of the film showing the letters that had been written on it. (It would stand to reason that the mystery person may have photographed parts of the leader, or he may have a copy of the STIES film himself.) In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if all parties to what had happened (re: the STIES film) had been in possession of a copy of the film.

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Most likely OOG but thought I'd share incase

http://www.arcatm.com/2/archives/03-2010/1.html

Found reference to a player named ''The Mink'' on this card playing website, and game 18 is named ''Hook, line and Minker''. Its most likely OOG but the homepage's description of the website is quite mysterious...
http://www.arcatm.com/index.html
''Welcome to the home of hearts.
Here at ARCATM we love, live and breathe hearts...
We hope that you find something interesting and enjoy your time on the site''
I expect to be trouted/torn to shreds by the agressive veterans, but just thought it was interesting...in before ripping

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Re: Most likely OOG but thought I'd share incase

Thresh wrote:
http://www.arcatm.com/2/archives/03-2010/1.html

Found reference to a player named ''The Mink'' on this card playing website, and game 18 is named ''Hook, line and Minker''. Its most likely OOG but the homepage's description of the website is quite mysterious...
http://www.arcatm.com/index.html
''Welcome to the home of hearts.
Here at ARCATM we love, live and breathe hearts...
We hope that you find something interesting and enjoy your time on the site''
I expect to be trouted/torn to shreds by the agressive veterans, but just thought it was interesting...in before ripping


In my haste to post this, didn't check, but this has already been posted Embarassed

Self Trout Crying or Very sad

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Re: theory on acquisition of film

jchiv wrote:
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
jchiv stated:
"So, previously Josh sent the hat to the person he thought was buying it only to have it returned - perhaps because the "deadbeat buyer" needed to get rid of the film."

So Josh sends a package to someone without receiving payment (?); that person opens the package; places the film in either another package and writes Josh's address on it and ships, or the same package and somehow puts Josh's address on another side of the box, erases his, and sends the package back to Josh with the film in it. Why? Why Josh?


"Deadbeat" implies that payment was not received or ended up being no good. Maybe Josh thought he had the payment. Maybe, being the understanding fellow of virtuous rural upbringing, was convinced to undo the transaction - he mentions having trouble selling old items due to tough times. Or maybe Josh unwittingly sent the film along with the hat and the person on the other end found the film and was so freaked by what s/he saw that they sent it back.

What I come back to is trying to understand why the hat, which is reposted on craigslist (the only item) is in the picture with the film and showed next to what looks like a box that was used for shipping. if that's what they're supposed to be.

All speculation - who can say... Being new to this I do enjoy trying to fit the pieces together and hope we get more clues soon. Thanks for indulging me!


I do quite a bit of buying and selling on Kijiji and Craigslist here in Canada. In my opinion a deadbeat buyer would be someone who calls and wants information about something, tries to haggle your price down, wants you to bring the package to them...or someone who comes to see the package than is kind of wishy washy and leaves without making an offer etc...

I most certainly would not send a package to someone without getting payment, and as a fact of matter Craigslist tells you straight out to never exchange goods with someone unless you meet them in person. So if they CL ad is what caused our mystery person from the STIES print out and Josh, I would think its safe to assume that Josh has met them in person at least once.

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vapor wrote:
Guys I'm checking out of this game. Wading through these posts has just stopped being any fun.

To be fair, the game itself has failed to hold any interest for me for a while. I was hoping the calendars would spark more interest in it for me but it didn't.

Hopefully I see some of you around in other games. You guys play nice, now.


This.

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Re: calm down ppl give ideas a chance

naptownbabi1 wrote:
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Thanks Eric, we were hoping you would pop back in. Hopefully this will settle it for a certain someone?

i dont think that was fair, like he said if no one posted up their ideas because of the backlash they would get, then we would get nowhere. yea i get where ur coming from bout some of his posts but like seriously ive seen in topics where a page or 2 has nothing to do with the topic at all and is just nonsense. at least abstract ideas are being brought out.

jus my 2cents


My apologies, after reading my post it does sound a bit sarcastic which was not my intention. I was in a hurry and attempting to be quick and to the point. My wife says I am a smart ass so maybe it was subconscious?

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Re: theory on acquisition of film

clinteaston wrote:
jchiv wrote:
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
jchiv stated:
”So, previously Josh sent the hat to the person he thought was buying it only to have it returned - perhaps because the "deadbeat buyer" needed to get rid of the film.”

So Josh sends a package to someone without receiving payment (?); that person opens the package; places the film in either another package and writes Josh’s address on it and ships, or the same package and somehow puts Josh’s address on another side of the box, erases his, and sends the package back to Josh with the film in it. Why? Why Josh?


"Deadbeat" implies that payment was not received or ended up being no good. Maybe Josh thought he had the payment. Maybe, being the understanding fellow of virtuous rural upbringing, was convinced to undo the transaction - he mentions having trouble selling old items due to tough times. Or maybe Josh unwittingly sent the film along with the hat and the person on the other end found the film and was so freaked by what s/he saw that they sent it back.

What I come back to is trying to understand why the hat, which is reposted on craigslist (the only item) is in the picture with the film and showed next to what looks like a box that was used for shipping. if that's what they're supposed to be.

All speculation - who can say... Being new to this I do enjoy trying to fit the pieces together and hope we get more clues soon. Thanks for indulging me!


I do quite a bit of buying and selling on Kijiji and Craigslist here in Canada. In my opinion a deadbeat buyer would be someone who calls and wants information about something, tries to haggle your price down, wants you to bring the package to them...or someone who comes to see the package than is kind of wishy washy and leaves without making an offer etc...

I most certainly would not send a package to someone without getting payment, and as a fact of matter Craigslist tells you straight out to never exchange goods with someone unless you meet them in person. So if they CL ad is what caused our mystery person from the STIES print out and Josh, I would think its safe to assume that Josh has met them in person at least once.
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Interesting?

Copied from www.hooklineandminker.com
FACT: Bass fish have a sixth sense called electroreception. This sense allows them to detect chemicals, lights, electricity and vibration.

I did some research...

Rostral organ

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The rostral organ of the coelacanth is a large gel-filled cavity in the snout, with three pairs of canals to the outside. It is surrounded by an insulating layer of adipose tissue and innervated by the superficial ophthalmic nerve. Its anatomy and innervation suggest it is an electroreceptive organ used for finding prey in the dark. This is supported by experiments which showed that coelacanths react to electrical fields produced by a submersible. This organ is not known in any other animal.

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Electroreception, sometimes called electroception, is the biological ability to perceive electrical impulses. It is particularly common among aquatic creatures since salt water is a much more efficient conductor than air. It is used for electrolocation (detecting objects) and for electrocommunication. There are no known cases of mimicry involving electroreception, though it is theoretically possible.

(From Wikipedia)

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Electrocommunication

Electric fish can use electricity as a communicative device, much as humans use auditory signals. Using its electric organ, the fish produces an electric organ discharge (EOD), which is broadcast through the surrounding water and received by other fish in the environment. These other fish detect the signals and process various aspects of the signal to determine its significance. While some progress has been made to identify and characterize different signals and their meanings, decoding electrocomminicative "fish speak" is a difficult process, and much remains to be discovered. Each species of electric fish varies its EOD differently to communicate different cues.

EOD Variation

Fish EODs vary according to many factors, including signal type, frequency, duration, and structure. Different combinations of these factors produce signals with different meanings.

Pulse and Wave: Some fish produce short bursts of communicative electric signal called "pulses," and others produce longer signals called "waves" also called "tones" (Hopkins 1972). Pulse discharges are "brief with respect to the period between discharges" and have variable frequency (Hopkins 1972). Wave or tone signals have discharges nearly equal in length to the period between discharges, and relatively stable frequency (Hopkins 1972). Individuals of a single species produce either wave signals or pulse signals, but not both.

(This information was gathered from the link below) http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/midorcas/animalphysiology/websites/2003/Wilson/Communication.htm

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Now this is all pure speculation on my part...but could the pulse tones from STIES be some sort of recorded Electrocommunication?

Could this rare Rostral Organ be the real reason Josh Minker is after the Coelacanth? Could explain why he does not seem to care that Coelacanths cannot be kept alive in captivity...

I will keep digging to see what I come up with.

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