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punxtr
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Coelacanth and "it"
simone5p wrote:
Ok, so after reading way more about Coelacanths than I would have if not for Josh Minker's blog, I have come to the conclusion that either Minker is a complete dufus or he isn't really talking about a Coelacanth. If this was already clear to everyone else, I apologize for my slow brain.
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FEB 4: "I just want to help the Coelacanth survive. Seems weird to live in a world without them. Anyway, hopefully this journal will chronicle my success."

Coelacanths are an endangered species. There are several organizations which are trying to aid in their survival.
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"A fisherman in Boston claims he can find a Coelacanth for me in under two weeks. Says he's done it before for a few other collectors and will be happy to do it for me since my intentions are honorable."

This is BS. He's tried to buy one legally (not possible as they are an endangered species), on the black market, and finally through an expedition to catch one (his best bet, but no one has ever keep a Coelacanth alive after catching one since 1. they live 600 feet down in cold water and 2. the warm water of the surface of the ocean is enough to kill one).
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How am I supposed to prep the tank? I should do some more research……

A Coelacanth cannot live in a home aquarium even if one could keep it alive long enough to put it in there.

If all the Coelacanth talk is code for something else, perhaps the "it that must be kept hidden until further contact," with whom is he communicating?

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Stop posting publicly. I can answer your questions. I have proof.

Is Minker the keeper of "it" or is he the seeker of "it?"


I really like this man's research. Seems like something more on-topic then explaining the rules of trouting Razz This, to me, wholly points to IG if not makes it highly unlikely not to be IG. I would like to know where you got your research as I can't find anything too definitive about their habitat. Nothing about why they die so quickly.

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FilmEdge
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Tenshi Akui wrote:
Can't we all just get along?


Can't we all get a long what? Very Happy

To those who think we shouldn't expect new people to read through a 100 pages of posts to see if an idea has already been proposed:

Sorry, but too many solutions exist to rest on that cop out.

The Search function for this boards works quite well if people chose to use it before making a post/starting a topic. If you get 100 posts as 'hits' while searching for "your idea", then it's a good guess your idea was brought up already and thus isn't new. Read a few of those results to find out for certain. That's a simple request.

Even a scan of the topic titles will clue in many "trouters" that their idea is not original in the ongoing discussion. An even simpler request to ask.

Last, saying "you can't expect us to read a 100 pages" is basically saying, "I don't care about your work before i arrived, just listen to ME." That STARTS the trouted post in question with disrespect for others as they enter it.

Why should disrespect as a first impression earn respect from others?

If new members care about actually playing this game with others, then they're very welcome. The more the merrier. But yes... they'll need read the work which came before them before posting "new" ideas to ensure they are new. Respect shown is respect earned.

The opposite is also true.

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Tenshi Akui
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 		I totally agree that people should read all the pages. However, I also think that the boards don't need to be flooded with people telling people to read all the pages. Trouting one post is fine but long post conversations about trouting a post makes more pages, and makes it more likely that someone wont read all the pages because of all the off topic stuff.

I know I'm just as guilty of off topic as most, but I'd like to see a happy ARG family Smile

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FilmEdge wrote:
To those who think we shouldn't expect new people to read through a 100 pages of posts to see if an idea has already been proposed:

Sorry, but too many solutions exist to rest on that cop out.

The Search function for this boards works quite well if people chose to use it before making a post/starting a topic.



Sorry, but the search feature only works well when searching for a post IF you happen to know the specific word that was used in that post, AND if you happen to know the exact combination of those words.


If you're searching for a topic on Coelacanth, that would be quite simple.
But when you're searching for a topic on whether the creature was awakened during the crash...Then that's an entirely different story.

THis brings up another issue...Exactly HOW LONG should someone do a search before deciding that it's OK to post their questions?
Should they search for 10 minutes? an Hour, a week?

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 		OMG people.

Lets gauge the descriptiveness of the OP. They posted a previously thought about idea...3-5 seconds depending on how fast you read.


Ten people let him have it because he wasted 3-5 seconds of their lives, seems to me the people blowing this up are more the issue than the OP which could have been ignored.

I know, I know, I'm contributing, but I don't think its fair to just blast some one for a silly move.


WE ARE A HOUSE DIVIDED!


Lets get back on track.

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Coelacanth and "it"
Chainsaw Fellatio wrote:


... I would like to know where you got your research as I can't find anything too definitive about their habitat. Nothing about why they die so quickly.


Very Happy You can find a lot of stuff on the Coelacanth here
http://www.dinofish.com/

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=008v86

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Nothing about why they die so quickly.


That happens when your brain weighs 1.5g compared to a body-weight of ~30kg, definitely do not like change Wink

........ Saying that, if there is gonna be a Coelacanth based monster it'll be the dumbest m***** ****** ever!

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Chainsaw and Simone;

These details have been discussed numerous times.

Regarding the coelacanth being alive in an aquarium, or the temperature/depth, that it is found in, that subject has been brought up many times. The below listed pages and links are just times that I discussed different angles on this:

7 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=90
14 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=195
25 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=360
36 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=525
40 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=585

Part of my quoted comment on the last mentioned page (40) states this:

"Although the below quoted portion of the wikipedia article does say, "the coelacanth must stay in cold, well-oxygenated water," that is in relation to what the surface water temperature is in the area noted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latimeria states:

"The coelacanths which live near Sodwana Bay, South Africa, rest in caves at depths of 90 to 150 m during daylight hours, but disperse and swim to depths as shallow as 55 m when hunting at night. The depth is not as important as their need for very dim light and, more importantly, for water which has a temperature of 14 to 22 °C {converted to 57.2 - 71.6 °F}. They will rise or sink to find these conditions. The amount of oxygen that their blood can absorb from the water through the gills is dependent on water temperature. Scientific research suggests that the coelacanth must stay in cold, well-oxygenated water or else their blood cannot absorb enough oxygen.""

Think, search, read, contribute.

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punxtr
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 		Honestly, I was trying to divert the subject away from the rules of trouting allthewhile interested in how that simone person said they lived 600 feet down when all I could find is what you just posted above. I wasn't really trying to discuss this topic again, but I always thought that this creature wouldn't be impossible to tank and poke at if it didn't live that deep anyway (600 m would obviously change my opinion of this though). Historically it does show catching and preserving one seems impossible but I was in the mind of maybe Josh is just perhaps very naive.

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 		Keeping alive the coelacanth
Chainsaw;

If you've checked out the links posted above that's commendable, and welcome.

I don't know what type of person Team JJ is trying to convey with Josh Minker, but either he is someone who deserves the king of trouts (for not doing at least the most basic research into the viability of tanking his gaga fish) or he's done the research and doesn't care what it says, OR the coelacanth, whether real or allegorical, has some very special meaning to him and/or the person(s) he's trying to reach.

As you know doubt have noticed in any of my postings, I've never "trouted" anyone--don't feel that it's my place, but I've insinuated that a person is begging for a fish fest.

I try to be analytical in my reasoning, and I can see that you seem to try as well, as do most long-time "unfictianados" here, but considering Josh's intentions to have the big C and the replies from Shelly, someone, who, if legitimate in this particular ARG multi-verse either doesn't know the impossibility of tanking the C (which seems inexplicable as she writes him stating that she "appreciate[s] your feelings regarding the current status of the Coelacanth"), or just doesn't want to pop Josh's balloon (which doesn't make any sense because she encourages him to "contact any of the dozen nonprofit conservancies across the east coast"), it's all quite bewildering.

Whatever the C means, I wish they'd clue us in a little more--I've got enough grey hairs as it is.

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 		coelacanth preservation
Just a thought...since all the speculation about this fish

i don't know but why a barometric chambered "aquarium" set at the right temperature would'nt just work to capture some specimen? It won't be good for behavioral observations but it's better than trying to find one at several hundred feets deep in rock caves.

Anyone with a lot of spare time and money wanna try? Smile

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 		I gotta catch up on this one but off the top question (and if it's answered I'll come back and detrout it), could this on his site be codespeak for the creature, alien, thing in the train?
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"coelacanth" and "16180339"
I tried various decryption methods on the word "coelacanth" using "16180339". Basically because both terms have 10 digits and/or variables. Seemed logic to me to try it. But couldn't find anything in the results. Gonna post them anyway.

First the obvious one:
1234567890 - cccnheet (makes the most sense as a chemical formula, "C2CnHe, ET"; though He does not bind to anything, so scratch that)
coelacanth
0123456789 - oaotcllh

Second, letters of the word "coelacanth" sorted in alphabetical order:
1234567890 - ahantcco
aaccehlnot
0123456789 - alaoacct

Third, numbers sorted (01133689) on the word "coelacanth"
1234567890 - hcceecnt
coelacanth
0123456789 - coollath (anagram for "coto hall" or "toco hall" lead nowhere, and don't even look up "all hot co." Smile)

Fourth, numbers sorted on alphabetically sorted letters:
1234567890 - taacchno
aaccehlnot
0123456789 - aaacclot

Blind shot after all, no hit IMO.

EDIT: Sorry, my bad english. "16180339" does not have 10 digits but it embraces 10 digits.
EDIT2: JoshMinker has 10 digits as well Wink. Started decryption but.. errr, no, seriously.... Smile
EDIT3: poppeteers also has 10 digits. Gonna leave it as is though. Have fun.

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"coelacanth" and "16180339"
SeekerX wrote:
I tried various decryption methods on the word "coelacanth" using "16180339". Basically because both terms have 10 digits and/or variables. Seemed logic to me to try it. But couldn't find anything in the results. Gonna post them anyway.

First the obvious one:
1234567890 - cccnheet (makes the most sense as a chemical formula, "C2CnHe, ET"; though He does not bind to anything, so scratch that)
coelacanth
0123456789 - oaotcllh

Second, letters of the word "coelacanth" sorted in alphabetical order:
1234567890 - ahantcco
aaccehlnot
0123456789 - alaoacct

Third, numbers sorted (01133689) on the word "coelacanth"
1234567890 - hcceecnt
coelacanth
0123456789 - coollath (anagram for "coto hall" or "toco hall" lead nowhere, and don't even look up "all hot co." Smile)

Fourth, numbers sorted on alphabetically sorted letters:
1234567890 - taacchno
aaccehlnot
0123456789 - aaacclot

Blind shot after all, no hit IMO.

EDIT: Sorry, my bad english. "16180339" does not have 10 digits but it embraces 10 digits.
EDIT2: JoshMinker has 10 digits as well Wink. Started decryption but.. errr, no, seriously.... Smile
EDIT3: poppeteers also has 10 digits. Gonna leave it as is though. Have fun.


0123456789 - coollath (anagram for "coto hall" or "toco hall" lead nowhere, and don't even look up "all hot co." Smile)

Aaaaah but thats also an anagram for Coot Hall. Whose Coot Hall?

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/stripertalk/56437-best-8-minutes-6-seconds-your-life-stripertime.html

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I have seen that video before. Its a great one. Typical dead fish hauled up for the camera and the weights of the fish is all off. But a great insight into the past.

I did some research a while ago:

the Cutty fisherman was Coot Hall---a famous Cutty Charter Captain. I found this on him from that infamous New York Times Article on Cuttyhunk:

In the morning, the breeze was up and we were out on the boat with Mr. Borges casting flies into the rocks. He first came to Cuttyhunk when he was 16 to work for Irwin Winslow Hall, a legendary striped bass charter captain known as Coot. ''I did everything for old Coot,'' Mr. Borges said, ''pumped gas, made up eel-skin rigs for trolling, and eventually ran my own charters.''

Turns out that Coot was responsible for developing the famous Cuttyhunk wooden Bass Boats. A Montauk fisherman named Otto Scheer first took NJ skiff designs and developed a bass boat named the "Punkinseed" for Montauk. He was one of the first to fish in boats close to the shore and his boat could bounce off boulders. It was lost in the 39 Hurricane and rebuilt. Coot Hall was visiting Montauk and saw the boat and had one built by the Lyman Boat Co. of New Bedford. The boat you see in the video is probably that boat. The boats developed and were perfected by Ernie Mackenzie who made the Mackenzie Bass boats.


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"Maybe you have a point," said Coot

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1134497/1/index.htm
Wink
Though it's one very far stretch/fetch. I don't really think IG.

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