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[SOLVED] Next Puzzle: Flynn Lives Postcards
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GeorgeOcean
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 		Just got my card; Kraz Bot, dated Jun 29th and I'm in Post Falls, ID

Now just a question; at the bottom it says "Now playing at your local arcade"
Trout me if I'm repeating a question or finding, but does every card say this? I seem to remember some saying the opposite Dunno
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GeorgeOcean wrote:
Just got my card; Kraz Bot, dated Jun 29th and I'm in Post Falls, ID

Now just a question; at the bottom it says "Now playing at your local arcade"
Trout me if I'm repeating a question or finding, but does every card say this? I seem to remember some saying the opposite Dunno
In the alternate reality Tron universe, all 4 of the games depicted (plus at least 9 more) were released by ENCOM.
Why would they say the opposite? "Not at your local arcade"?
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VanGoghX wrote:
GeorgeOcean wrote:
Just got my card; Kraz Bot, dated Jun 29th and I'm in Post Falls, ID

Now just a question; at the bottom it says "Now playing at your local arcade"
Trout me if I'm repeating a question or finding, but does every card say this? I seem to remember some saying the opposite Dunno
In the alternate reality Tron universe, all 4 of the games depicted (plus at least 9 more) were released by ENCOM.
Why would they say the opposite? "Not at your local arcade"?

I guess I was thinking literally at my local arcade Embarassed
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 		Re: Berzerk - Stern Electronics - 1980
sihnstarr wrote:
MrSinistar wrote:
Not that it will pay off for the ARG or in postcards, but the left unknown game sign appears to read BERZERK in the DVD...


Berzerk is a classic arcade game made by Stern Electronics, released in 1980. It was the first video game using synthesized voice. The neon sign in Tron is a representation of the logo for the game.

You would think that since your name is Mr. Sinistar, named after a classic Williams video game, you would have caught that. Wink


Except the sentence you quoted was by me, not MrSinistar. I was quoting MrS's original post which showed screen grabs of all the neon signs in Flynn's arcade.

"But thanks for playing." Laughing

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FSURobbie
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 		I've had a postcard for the past few days and my wife just told me about it. I jumped online to spill the beans only to find 37 pages already posted. After reading them all I find out this puzzle is still unsolved.

Wow, didn't expect that. Shocked

The Vice Squad postcard is awesome, going to have to put up a want ad on the Swag Shop.

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grimdel
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 		scratch through black bar
Reading previous remarks, someone mentioned they had a scratch through their black bar. I've recently received my postcard, and it too has a scratch through the black bar. Has anyone considered that maybe the cards are supposed to be fed into some kind of scanner?

W/ Comic-Con only a couple weeks away, maybe your supposed to bring them to some booth to get scanned?

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VanGoghX
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FSURobbie wrote:
I've had a postcard for the past few days and my wife just told me about it. I jumped online to spill the beans only to find 37 pages already posted. After reading them all I find out this puzzle is still unsolved.

Wow, didn't expect that. Shocked

The Vice City postcard is nice, going to have to put up a want ad on the Swag Shop.
I'm surprised as well. This crowd has cracked some fairly difficult puzzles in the past in a very rapid fashion.
I know it's been voiced before, but there must be pieces to the puzzle still missing.
Also, the fact that ENCOM's library consists of at least 13 games (I think it would actually be 14, if you included Discs of Tron) and only 4 games on postcard have been sent out, leads me to think that more must be forthcoming.
Will it be by mail or at SDCC is probably the big question.
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minterbartolo
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 		Re: Imagine this scenario
Cryptographic methods
minterbartolo wrote:
Broklynite wrote:
minterbartolo wrote:
WolfinPDX wrote:
So let's say I'm the owner of a business that restores vintage arcade games. I have a mailing list, I own or I have access to a quality high speed color printer, and I have postcards.

Now let's say I'm in opposition of a certain international company. I've drawn attention to myself, and I've pulled down some heat. I decide to go underground. I want things to cool off before I make my next move.

A few months pass.

Now I want to get a message out. I can't use my usual online discussion board. I also need to encrypt the message. I need to do it without a computer, just in case it's been compromised.

I know some things about cryptography (hell, I've cracked this certain international company's intranet, right?).

So what do I do? I go analog. I go old school.
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I'm Googling different ways to encrypt a message using grids, dots, squares, pixels, whatever. Here's what I've got so far, and I'll edit this message as I find more possibilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius_square

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_code

http://www.answers.com/topic/adfgvx-cipher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grille_%28cryptography%29

http://teach.fcps.net/trt3/Act2_NowYouSeeIt_InPlainSight_final.pdf


okay going on this data I would suggest each postcard is a piece of the code (or we can try the full combined matrix)

so using a ADFGVX Cipher: (6x6 grid locations of the bits)

A D F G V X
A 8 P 3 D 1 N
D L T 4 O A H
F 7 K B C 5 Z
G J U 6 W G M
V X S V I R 2
X 9 E Y 0 F Q

we can find the encoded text and then run it through this decode with I would suggest ENCOM as the key.

http://www.cryptool-online.org/index.php/en/ciphers/adfgvx/adfgvx-test

I have to make dinner for the kids or I would try it myself, but let me know what you find.


I...have no idea whatsoever how you got that grid you put together. Doesn't the cipher presuppose that you have a pre-made grid? I mean, don't you just put random numbers/letters in? If you don't have the grid, how the hell does one go about deciphering it?


the grid is a standard ADFGVX that I found on the web. you need to shift the top row over a space for some reason the leading spaces got deleted.

okay using the crypto website I linked to and using ENCOM as the key

the coded text based on the 6x6 positions in the tron wiki image of the combined 4 postcards was:
ADDAGAVAXDXVXXADAXADDXFXGAVAXAAXXDXFXGADAFDAD XFXGAVAVXXFADDADXFAFXVAXAXXAVAXDAFVVAVXXGXVXX AFAGAVDADXFAGAGVVXDXFAFXGAVAVXXXADFVFXGAXAXDA GAVFDXAXDXGXVFAXFXGAGDXFAGAXDXFAXDGFGGGVGXGAF AVDXFXADAVFXGFGGGVXD

with the plain text as:
FD05AGLYGLIX9YPOY948V54BX36AEU37FLV4ECTWAFH3S IAGHRLGRFYRNSL4RUXS83YYYL64GA39CRR4F7QTRA7XUS H7Y7YOF2BL

which makes me think maybe the individual postcards might each yield a string that would work at helloflynn.com since the combined is too long.

using nowplayingatyourlocalarcade as the key
cypher text stays the same
plain text is :
FSA8F5RM4SLHAJ48GCZ7V4S4X9Y3N5L46SUMGGO9KA9AJ 8D74YLY5951VYA9Y1UNMV6NN9CQ9L7AH44CA8828FDH73 CS85OORD2B

so I am going to try and redo it for each individual postcard and see what that yields.

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minterbartolo
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 		Re: Imagine this scenario
Cryptographic methods
Broklynite wrote:
minterbartolo wrote:
WolfinPDX wrote:
So let's say I'm the owner of a business that restores vintage arcade games. I have a mailing list, I own or I have access to a quality high speed color printer, and I have postcards.

Now let's say I'm in opposition of a certain international company. I've drawn attention to myself, and I've pulled down some heat. I decide to go underground. I want things to cool off before I make my next move.

A few months pass.

Now I want to get a message out. I can't use my usual online discussion board. I also need to encrypt the message. I need to do it without a computer, just in case it's been compromised.

I know some things about cryptography (hell, I've cracked this certain international company's intranet, right?).

So what do I do? I go analog. I go old school.
--------------------------------------------------------

I'm Googling different ways to encrypt a message using grids, dots, squares, pixels, whatever. Here's what I've got so far, and I'll edit this message as I find more possibilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius_square

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock_code

http://www.answers.com/topic/adfgvx-cipher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grille_%28cryptography%29

http://teach.fcps.net/trt3/Act2_NowYouSeeIt_InPlainSight_final.pdf


okay going on this data I would suggest each postcard is a piece of the code (or we can try the full combined matrix)

so using a ADFGVX Cipher: (6x6 grid locations of the bits)

A D F G V X
A 8 P 3 D 1 N
D L T 4 O A H
F 7 K B C 5 Z
G J U 6 W G M
V X S V I R 2
X 9 E Y 0 F Q

we can find the encoded text and then run it through this decode with I would suggest ENCOM as the key.

http://www.cryptool-online.org/index.php/en/ciphers/adfgvx/adfgvx-test

I have to make dinner for the kids or I would try it myself, but let me know what you find.


I...have no idea whatsoever how you got that grid you put together. Doesn't the cipher presuppose that you have a pre-made grid? I mean, don't you just put random numbers/letters in? If you don't have the grid, how the hell does one go about deciphering it?


the assumption I used was the the 3,3 location of the bit gave me the location in the matrix to then pull out say FF I put this into the crypto online text with the key and hit decode using their standard matrix. it didn't work for the combined postcards, but I am trying to do it now for each individual postcard though I need to find a better picture of each to get the 6x6 locations of the Xs since the tron wiki bruce one only had the combined cleaned up like that.

course I could just be spinning my wheels.

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 		alrighty....first, i want to apologize if this comes out all funky...Bob (my laptop) decided to get a bug or three...and is currently being repaired...so im stuck doing this through my android phone...

for those who asked...heres what the strip looks like after a soda accident...if yall want a better picture, i can try again..



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minterbartolo
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 		Kraz bot
okay I used the image posted earlier of Krazbot with the grid points (though I adjusted the vertical axis back from 1,2, 4, 8,16,32) I did not leave any spaces in the decode. basically columns 1-6 were the first code block, 7-12 the next etc.

cypher text: (somebody really needs to double check my work assuming I am even on the right path)
ddgaaggdvgxgdddgaffdgvvfaxvfxfffavxvaa

ENCOM as the key:
0IDBC9WPY5IET7EIS1N

Nowplayingatyourlocalarcade as the key:
I0TZ1UFCQGPQV7F4GKG

I tried both at hello flynn, but that was no joy. I am not going to try the others unless someone thinks this is worth it given Kraz bot didn't yield anything.

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VRAM
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 		Just another thought...
Use a zoetrope
FilmEdge wrote:
MrSinistar wrote:
I took pictures of all of the recognizable signs in Flynn's Arcade from 1982 ("Tron").

Astro Gunner, Digitizer, Vice Squad, Code Wars, Intruder and Matrix Blaster all must be from 1982 or earlier, so it makes since that Kraz-Bot would be 1983...thus making Arc Wars '83 or later as well.


Not that it will pay off for the ARG or in postcards, but the left unknown game sign appears to read BERZERK in the DVD... the Z being larger than the other letters and splitting the name in half (kind of how the Zs do it in the ZZ Top logo). Can't read the right unknown name (until we get the Blu-ray), but it appears to read *something like STROBE ZONE. Hard to tell since the last word is behind a lamp for the entire shot.

...


Yep, that's correct FilmEdge... STROBE ZONE is the same thing I "discovered" almost two years ago here:

http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?do=top&id=365333


Anyways,

First time poster (and I haven't received my postcard here in Mexico City yet) so here are my two cents for this ARG...

I think we should see the 4 punch-card like patterns through a praxinoscope, you know, a zoetrope-like device running at different speeds, and some kind of understandable animated code may come up...

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 		i had just found this.

http://www.flynnlives.com/countdownimagehandler.ashx

it's the very latest url flynnlives.com has undercontruction AS OF NOW.

website was created Jul 3, 2010 @ 7:26 pm CST

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ifmnetzwerk wrote:
i had just found this.

http://www.flynnlives.com/countdownimagehandler.ashx

it's the very latest url flynnlives.com has undercontruction AS OF NOW.
Huh? How did you find that? It seems to me that that's not a page but something that's part of another page. Were you going over the HTML from known pages and found that referenced in the source from one of them?
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VanGoghX wrote:
ifmnetzwerk wrote:
i had just found this.

http://www.flynnlives.com/countdownimagehandler.ashx

it's the very latest url flynnlives.com has undercontruction AS OF NOW.
Huh? How did you find that? It seems to me that that's not a page but something that's part of another page. Were you going over the HTML from known pages and found that referenced in the source from one of them?


uh, i think i drank too much soda. lol
can you rephrase that?

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