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booba
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Tide Charts
if thats what they are

vapor wrote:
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Thought I should mention that the times listed on the "Best Time to Spot Rare Fish!" calendars look very much like tidal charts to me. Most coastal places on Earth have 4 tides per day, though. 2 high and 2 low. So my guess is that the calendar lists either both low tides or both high tides on some coastal region.

Also, I say some coastal region because no 2 coastal regions have the same tidal chart.

I bet that we could figure out what coastal region these calendars refer to based on the times and dates. I've tried using http://www.saltwatertides.com/ to see the tidal charts of Virginia (West Virginia is landlocked and has no beaches) and Boston (JM tried to charter a boat in Boston) for the month of July and they don't match the calendar on HLM.

Not sure if it will be at all significant but it may be worth looking into more.

Oh, and both calendars have now been transferred to the wiki if anyone needs it for reference purposes. July is still a bit incomplete and I think I may have goofed on the moon phases. Thanks to Nhjm449 for helping me get the formatting right.

http://super8.wikibruce.com/Hooklineandminker.com/Calendar

Maybe we need to look at where the expedition was going, instead of where it originated (Boston).
There is a connection with people arrested for compressor fishing and living coelacanths at Komodo National Park.
No tide charts have matched up yet, but it is a lage area.
A dive company from the area suggests:
"Dive conditions vary with the tides, throughout the day. Therefore it is important to dive with the tide tables to hit every site at the optimal time."

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anyone know how to look up to see if someone got arrested for using a compressor to fish? maybe we can see if we can find someone and link him to Boston, then to Minker's buddy Fred.

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Josh and he's friends went fishing for rare fish, by accident they experienced the Groom Lake train.
Since then Josh haven't been active on he's blog anymore, because he's dead.

Could be.

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vapor
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Thanks for starting the thread.

So here is an example of tide charts for Boston Harbor for the week of June 16th through June 22nd.

Code:
Day        High      Tide  Height   Sunrise    Moon  Time      % Moon
           /Low      Time    Feet    Sunset                    Visible


W   16     High   2:32 AM    11.4   5:07 AM    Rise  9:51 AM      15
    16      Low   8:57 AM    -1.0   8:23 PM     Set 11:31 PM
    16     High   3:14 PM    10.3
    16      Low   9:15 PM     0.1

Th  17     High   3:27 AM    11.1   5:07 AM    Rise 11:06 AM      24
    17      Low   9:49 AM    -0.8   8:23 PM     Set 11:59 PM
    17     High   4:07 PM    10.4
    17      Low  10:12 PM     0.1

F   18     High   4:24 AM    10.7   5:07 AM    Rise 12:20 PM      35
    18      Low  10:42 AM    -0.5   8:24 PM
    18     High   5:02 PM    10.5
    18      Low  11:11 PM     0.2

Sa  19     High   5:24 AM    10.3   5:07 AM     Set 12:25 AM      46
    19      Low  11:37 AM    -0.1   8:24 PM    Rise  1:32 PM
    19     High   5:58 PM    10.6

Su  20      Low  12:13 AM     0.2   5:07 AM     Set 12:51 AM      58
    20     High   6:25 AM     9.9   8:24 PM    Rise  2:43 PM
    20      Low  12:34 PM     0.2
    20     High   6:56 PM    10.6

M   21      Low   1:15 AM     0.2   5:07 AM     Set  1:20 AM      68
    21     High   7:28 AM     9.5   8:24 PM    Rise  3:54 PM
    21      Low   1:32 PM     0.5
    21     High   7:53 PM    10.7

Tu  22      Low   2:17 AM     0.1   5:08 AM     Set  1:52 AM      78
    22     High   8:31 AM     9.3   8:25 PM    Rise  5:04 PM
    22      Low   2:29 PM     0.8
    22     High   8:50 PM    10.7


So if we compare that to the HLM calendar for that week we see that none of the tide times really match. Therefore, Boston can likely be eliminated as the location to which the HLM tide chart refers (if in fact it is a tide chart).

Code:
16     Waning Gibbous
4:11 AM - 4:51 AM
4:42 PM - 5:19 PM
   
17    Waning Gibbous
5:09 AM - 5:44 AM
6:08 PM - 6:46 PM
   
18    Last Quarter
6:22 AM - 6:59 AM
6:21 PM - 6:46 PM
   
19    Last Quarter
6:53 AM - 7:30 AM
7:18 PM - 7:56 PM

20    Last Quarter
8:11 AM - 8:49 AM
8:20 PM - 9:00 PM
   
21    Waning Crescent
8:18 AM - 8:54 AM
9:29 PM - 10:08 PM
   
22    Waning Crescent
9:35 AM - 10:15 AM
10:01 PM - 10:37 PM


So this is what I'm basing analysis upon. Using http://www.saltwatertides.com/pickpred.html and http://super8.wikibruce.com/Hooklineandminker.com/Calendar

As I said, though I think I kind of goofed the moon phases and I have to go back and change them on the wiki. Also, July times haven't been updated as of this moment. I'll get the wiki updated today, though.

ETA: Just finished updating the wiki calendars. All info should be accurate now.

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Nulfox wrote:
Josh and he's friends went fishing for rare fish, by accident they experienced the Groom Lake train.
Since then Josh haven't been active on he's blog anymore, because he's dead.

Could be.


Except he just updated his blog today, and replied to at least one commenter.

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I found some more supporting evidence that these are a form of tidal charts.

During the lunar cycle, there are two types of tides that cause stronger and weaker tidal forces. The result is higher and lower than average water levels during tides, slack water time that is shorter than average and stronger tidal currents than average.

The tides are called spring tides and neap tides. Spring tides usually occur around Full and New moons due to the sun being lined up with the moon and earth. Neap tides occur around First Quarter and Last Quarter moons since the sun and moon's gravitational forces somewhat cancel each other out. The interval between each spring tide is about 2 weeks.

The tidal charts on HLM follow a pattern which is fairly consistent with what you would expect a spring tide (full moon and new moon). Note that the times overlap one another on these dates. Also note the 2 week interval between the time anomalies.

Code:
July
11     New Moon
12:20 PM - 1:06 PM
12:43 PM - 1:25 PM

July
25     Full Moon
11:57 AM - 12:40 PM
12:30 PM - 1:06 PM

July   
26    Full Moon
1:15 PM - 1:51 PM
1:07 PM - 1:44 PM


So I'm fairly well convinced the HLM calendars are a form of tidal chart. It's not your average tidal chart for sure. Probably one that pertains only to low tides. Maybe low tides are the best time to spot rare fish.

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vapor wrote:
So I'm fairly well convinced the HLM calendars are a form of tidal chart. It's not your average tidal chart for sure. Probably one that pertains only to low tides. Maybe low tides are the best time to spot rare fish.


Whereas the trout flourish 24/7 around here. Very Happy

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FilmEdge wrote:
vapor wrote:
So I'm fairly well convinced the HLM calendars are a form of tidal chart. It's not your average tidal chart for sure. Probably one that pertains only to low tides. Maybe low tides are the best time to spot rare fish.


Whereas the trout flourish 24/7 around here. Very Happy


Ah yes, sadly the trout isn't all that rare. But we have seen some rare Coelacanth lately haven't we?

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its amazing though the way new information comes out and suddenly all the trouting ceases until people come up with more theories for them to repost xD

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2 weeks between updates will do that I suppose.

Back on topic though, tonight I'm going to begin the Brute Force process and try to nail down a location based on low tide times. I'm almost sure it will be fruitless just like all the other puzzles we've had so far. I'll be able to get close enough to a solve to frustrate the hell out of myself and then spend the next few days obsessing over it.

I. Can't. WAIT.

ETA: I found another site that's making the brute force a bit easier on the eyes. http://www.tides.info/

So I started my searching in Nova Scocia down into Maine. I noticed that the closest matches were still about an hour off. So I moved southward and westward into the mid-atlantic states. It seems like the closest matches are in Massachusetts. Specifically in Cape Cod down to Nantucket Island.

It makes sense to me that JM would try to charter a boat out of Boston to get to Cape Cod for some rare fish spotting. It also makes sense to me that he would go to Cape Cod. It's known world-wide as a sport fishing mecca. It's also home to snakehead fish, red lionfish, giant sturgeon, sea lamreys, and wolffish to name a few. Sound familiar? http://super8.wikibruce.com/Hooklineandminker.com/photo_slider

I'm not saying it's Cape Cod but it sure did catch my eye.

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Great work vapor!
So... if the charts are listing the time of slack water between tide changes, say 34 min, the event (high or low tide) would occur exactly in the middle of the duration, say 9:23 am plus 17 min for high or low tide at 9:40 am?

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Humor!

I bet he's headed for Amity Island for the rare fish hunt. It's not like he's going down the pond chasin' bluegills and tommycods. This coelacanth will swallow you whole. Little shakin', little tenderizin', an' down you go.

He's gonna need a bigger boat. Very Happy

But seriously, nice find on the tides at least being more local than London if not an exact match.

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nicely done.But what can we use it for now is the question still.
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Agreed that the tide chart raises as many questions as it seems to offer clues. The times stated are fairly "useless" for any online ARG prompting without a specific time zone designated to them.

We can assume an East Coast zone by other game clues, but have no such direction.

With moon positions and tides being a local phenomenon, I can't see an ARG clue/event triggering at '10:38 am your local time' because it would essential have to re-trigger 24 times on a given day for international play.

The times overlapping still baffle me as that would seem utterly contrary to tides, let alone tide charts. A puzzlement.

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My original thought was we would have to match the moon on the chart with the rp.com moon and something would happen.But now i just dont know .The chart has to have something in it.The worse part is it just may not be in june or july.It could play aprt in for all we know.
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