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[UPDATE] New Incidentlog files
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AnthraX101
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[UPDATE] New Incidentlog files

Four new pictures in http://www.theaquapolis.com/incidentlogs/20031021/

Quite scary. I think that definitely confirms that someone died this time.

Thanks to catherwood from IRC.

AnthraX101

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looks like a guy in a swimming pool to me... <grin>

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Re: New Incedentlog files

AnthraX101 wrote:
Four new pictures in http://www.theaquapolis.com/incidentlogs/20031021/

Quite scary. I think that definitely confirms that someone died this time.

Thanks to catherwood from IRC.

AnthraX101


Whaaat Shocked ? I could have sworn I just went there a few minutes ago
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At 10:25:02 the system was sending/receiving "systemsecure". Yet the frame from D031 shows water flowing in. I think "D031" identifies the security camera.

The next 3 shots are from D033 (or D-33). The times at which they are taken are within the 1-minute interval that is missing from the logs. Somebody (the guy in the pic?) was trying to do "manual override". He wanted to open door "A" to get into the guest module(s) because the walkway was getting flooded. But "they" wouldn't let him get out; and it can't be because they didn't want to flood the guest module. Because at 10:25:02 the water is still just dripping in from the ceiling. The guy must have begun trying to get out right away; 30 seconds later is what we see as the first manual override attempt. The walkway appears to be completely flooded only a minute later.

So why wouldn't they let him get out while he still could? And what are the weird reflections on the glass?
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Can anyone make any sense of this attachment? It's an enhanced closeup of the writing on the guy's jacket.

Maybe it's his name, or the name of the company he works for?

EDIT: I see 'Fada' ... there's definitely an F at the start, but the rest is very cursive.
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Mooni wrote:
Maybe it's his name, or the name of the company he works for?


Could be the brand of the sports suit. It looks familiar, too.
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Has anyone tried enhancing the reflections in these photos? I gave it a go but didn't have much luck.

There's definitely two rows of lights in there, similar to the ones you'd see in an office. And some of the darker areas look like cubicle walls.

Also, the proportions of what's being reflected don't seem to match what we're seeing in the photo. The reflections imply a large, well-lit room or corridor, so I assume they've been overlaid the original image.

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Mooni wrote:
Can anyone make any sense of this attachment? It's an enhanced closeup of the writing on the guy's jacket.

Maybe it's his name, or the name of the company he works for?

EDIT: I see 'Fada' ... there's definitely an F at the start, but the rest is very cursive.


it says Prada. The aquapolis like to dress up their employees real pretty.

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My opinions/summary on the purpose of the incident logs:

The first set from 10/08 show us how the autosystem is supposed to work handling an emergency breach (read: leak): Sensors see the leak and respond with alarms and appropriate bulkhead closings. In the event that a bulkhead can't close (obstruction, bad wires, etc.), someone can always override it manually (assumably from the actual door location, but possibly remotely). I'd paint it a successful "test run" of the system with the possible exceptions of:
1) what caused the leak?
2) why was manual override necessary?
However, these things happen, and it pretty much justifies the design of the autosystem/manual override/etc. So, not much happened here beyond a typical SNAFU, but without this we wouldn't really know what happens when:

The second set from 10/21 reflects things going horribly wrong. One of the things we learn (spec'ed) from this set is that lettered bulkheads ("A") likely reflect "important", main, and likely "large" doors like the one connecting the delta and gamma modules. Numbered doors ("1-15") are likely smaller doors, perhaps separating compartments interior to modules. Since these doors probably take less time to close, the auto system starts closing the big doors first. So the sensors detect the leak and all the doors start closing. Someone inside makes it out as far to the main "A" door, but finds it closed. However, this time his attempts to manually actuate the door are denied (note: the photos do NOT occur during "unlogged" minutes. Rather, they coincide with the manual override attempts), ultimately resulting in his drowning.

All this begs the question: Why didn't the manual override work this time. Consider two (of many) possibilities.

1) During a leak, an autosystem would be programmed to much more readily allow a bulkhead CLOSING and less anxious to allow an OPENING (to keep flooding localized).

2) Someone changed the control system to (at least temporarily) ignore manual overrides.

1 reflects the simplest reasoning, but it's a bit flawed. Sure, it's best from a property perspective, but (as we can see) not the most life-savvy design choice. For that reason, I lean towards 2. Especially considering the other difference between the two incidents: the "Control Access". On 10/08 the attempt to control the system remotely is denied due to it coming from an unauthenticated IP. On 10/21, the control access is enabled and the IP of where it (looks) to be coming from turns out to be metacortechs.com. So my wild mind ultimately paints the following wild spec:

The first attempt reflects someone's unsuccessful attempt at sabotage (maybe even responsible for creating the leak). But (s)he learned that (s)he has to be accessing the remote control from an authenticated IP. So someone sitting at a Metacortechs computer (or someone who can look like they are) sabotaged the system and killed that guy. Of course this line of spec begs alot of questions. Who did it? An Metacortech's employee or hackers? Did they intend to kill that guy or just sabotage Aquapolis?

Etc...

P.S. It's looks like a FUBU (For Us By Us) sweatsuit

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aegir wrote:
it says Prada. The aquapolis like to dress up their employees real pretty.


Sorry, that's not Prada's brand/logo thing, plus that's not really their style (I'm somewhat of a fan, lol).
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not totally off subject but i think i can clear something up....

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At 10:25:02 the system was sending/receiving "systemsecure". Yet the frame from D031 shows water flowing in. I think "D031" identifies the security camera.

The next 3 shots are from D033 (or D-33). The times at which they are taken are within the 1-minute interval that is missing from the logs.


by studying the schematic found in the incident logs i think it is safe to assume that D033 (or D-33) can be broken down into the following:

D = Delta module
03 = Floor Level
3 = Security Camera #

I know i'm just prolly taking up space on the forum by posting this...
it can find no practical application of this info (yet). I think that the only reason I'm posting this is for the warm fuzzy of not being lost for once...and maybe just maybe being a step ahead (any one from IRC knows me and knows how lost i stay)...
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the reflections, to me.... look like lights in an office building or school room. basically just a series of flourescent lights...

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DonkeyOatey - nice beakdown of events, thanX - Iīm with you on the course of events as you desribe them, although we canīt as of yet be sure this is sabotage - it could just be the AP hull which is faulty and the contactors or someone else trying to cover it up (this has been known to happen at large, prestigious developments).

Iīve touched on this before, and now I mention it again: - how is it that we get access to these logs and pics? That would seem to be the doing of someone on the inside wanting "the world" to know AP is not as fantastic as itīs made up to be. Certainly those photos of the drowning guy would be highly classified, or they are unauthorized and unknown to the people in charge.
I donīt think the /incidentlogs is an offical site or part of the AP network, or intended to be (if it were it would be password protected at the very least), I think someone created it for the benefit of getting the truth out. Who?

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Flooding and sealing compartments & who put the files th

DonkeyOatey wrote:
Sure, it's best from a property perspective, but (as we can see) not the most life-savvy design choice.


That really depends on just how dangerous flooding is in this structure. It's sort of a 'Spock in the warp chamber' type situation. You may have to seal a few people in a flooding compartment and doom them to prevent more of the structure from flooding and potentially killing everyone. Now granted, since the aquapolis is not yet occupied, that may not be the case at the moment. But presumably the safety system has been designed with the logic that will be appropriate when there are hundreds of people inside. How sophisticated is SafeSys? Will it know where every person in the AP is located, and thereby be able to make flooding management decisions intelligently? Or will it by default seal any compartment that floods?

I think the aquapolis is a safety nightmare. They are a few bulkheads short by my reckoning: The guest quarters are pretty dangerous ... there is only one way out, and the chance of getting sealed off in the event of flooding seems pretty high ... I can't believe the elevator shafts are watertight, so as soon as there is flooding anywhere near the elevators on any level, you have to seal the doors in the hallway on either side of that elevator on all levels, which isolates half the guest modules on each level (unless there is flooding near both elevators, then everyone in guest modules is trapped and those in the five units in front of each elevator just might drown, unless every guest module has a watertight door).

Futhermore, down at the bottom on level 10 (tinos), I don't see bulkheads in the hallways that connect alpha to beta and gamma. That seems like a big mistake. If there is uncontrolled flooding in any of those three modules, the water should descend to the bottom of the module and fill it from the bottom, then moving down those hallways so it fills all three of those modules from the bottom up! I suppose we might think each floor is watertight with respect to floors above and below ... but I find that hard to imagine. The spheres are big, so big that there must be a way to traverse levels, and can that really be watertight/sealable? I suppose there might be a central staircase or elevator sealed off by bulkheads in each of the spheres.

A related thought: How did they stop the flooding in both the incidents we've seen already? There are three ways I can think of: You can pump the water out faster than it is coming in (and you'd need a system to do that in every compartment), you can repair the leak physically ... that should take a little while (diver tightens some bolts perhaps, welds on a patch, but if the glass cracks ...), or you can increase the air pressure in that compartment so the water can't come in (again, you need to be able to supply air to any individual compartment). You could increase the air pressure until it is slightly greater than the water pressure at that depth so you have slight positive pressure and are bleeding a little air rather than taking in a little water. The problem with that approach is big changes in air pressure could be problematic for humans inside.

I imagine the idea is to keep the atmosphere throughout the aquapolis at a normal pressure and gas mixture so people can come and go without discomfort, decompression, etc. The Great Sea Stairway down to the lobby has single bulkheads, not a dual airlock pair like the subpen. I can only assume that means the atmosphere in the aquapolis freely exchanges with the surface. They'd have to be pumping CO2-rich air out and bringing O2-rich air in ... That means the AP's structural integrity relies entirely on the strength of its construction, and not on increased air pressure inside to counter higher water pressure on it at greater depths.

aqualung1105 wrote:
I donīt think the /incidentlogs is an offical site or part of the AP network, or intended to be (if it were it would be password protected at the very least), I think someone created it for the benefit of getting the truth out. Who?


Well, we know that Caesar's gang succesfully hacked into theaquapolis.com to post the carelessly files, so we know they are at least are capable of having done so.

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I may be over-simplifying this, but here's what the reflected lights tell me. The security camera images aren't direct screen captures. It's as if someone took a picture of the security console with a camera, then uploaded those pics. Its not that big of a leap to assume that the other incidentlog files are the same way. This would support the flashing-light theories...

aegir wrote:
looks like a guy in a swimming pool to me... <grin>

aegir


That reminds me...the aquapolis site mentions "the world's only underwater pool". Do we know what level that's on?

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