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[UPDATE] Beth's Metadex and Zip Files [Nov 2]
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Marl64
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yanka wrote:
Just googled "error 259". It seems that most common is:

Error 259.
Ad hoc updates to system catalogs are not enabled. The system administrator must reconfigure SQL Server to allow this.


It's in Read only mode. Unable to learn new stuff Very Happy

I just had an idea
Code:
<subject raw_data="what's happening" expansion="what is happening" type="local_event"/>

It's identified what is being said. This is defined as a local event.
Code:
<error local_event_count="84720075" heuristic_narrowing="active" heuristic="immediate_vicinity" candidate_event_count="64492" identification="failure"/>

So it does a search of the programming of the system and it identifies 84,720,075 of them - too many to search. So It narrows them down based on Local Vacinity to get 64,492. But the event of a human saying "what's happening" isn't one of them - She's not in the programming of this location.
Code:
<generalization>
      <events count="64492">
         <condition type="foreach">
            <method id="is_aware_of" return_type="boolean">
               <parameter value="self"/>
            </method>
            <operator type="equals" value="true"/>
         </condition>
         <result true="64492" false="0"/>
      </events>
   </generalization>

Now this is the bit I don't get and it might be my interpretation of it - It seems to tests all known events for "self awareness" But it gets a 100% success.

Now it could be to see if it/he "Is aware" of all the events, but that's not what the code suggests.

I don't think the problem is being unable to communicate with her as previously suspected. I think it's finding where she fits in the program in order to find the correct way to respond.

But she's not on the list - possibly because she is not part of this Anomoly and it's/his programming only extends that far.

(i'm getting messed up with It's and His's, and Her's can we give it a name - if only to help withe ideas Very Happy )
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BrianEnigma
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yanka wrote:
I kinda want to know what this guy's problem is; it's named 259. Can somebody savvy in these things *wink at BriEnigma* explain it plz? Is it an upload/access problem, or it does it indicate that the main system's catalogues are in error? Is it the guy's problem, or the system's?


My *guess* is that the meaning of error 259 is going to be beyond us. It is probably something custom--like the XML syntax being used is custom. That said, you brought up the MySQL error. Other interesting error 259's are:

Microsoft system error: No more data is available
Oracle: Insert/update failed
Secure Socket Layer: Unsupported SSL version

I am sure there are others out there, but that was a quick search of Google and my /usr/include/* files.

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yanka
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BriEnigma wrote:
My *guess* is that the meaning of error 259 is going to be beyond us.


Bummer... It would be cool if we could establish that that error was something like "access disabled due to temporary system malfunction" or something like that: that would explain/support everything that happened yesterday. No such luck, though...
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I assumed that after Beth asks "Are you okay" he goes on to perform the self diagnostics. The interesting part in the results is:

<diagnostic system="communications" subsystem="all">
<result optimal="1.0" current="0.5" status="concern">
<error subsystem="nat_lang_gen" message="not_present"/>

The natural language generator is not present, so while he understands English, he has no way of speaking.


<diagnostic system="memory" subsystem="all">
<result optimal="1.0" current="0.3" status="error">
<error subsystem="data_retrieval" message="corrupted"/>

And more importantly.. he has no memory. He cannot remember anything or say anything.. poor fellow..

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Ha. It would be cool if this were James Avery. He volunteered to host the AI that Metacortex was developing, to prove to the world that it is safe and can enhance your intellect or whatever was going to be the selling point... and then his own brain got overshadowed by the AI and it ran away...poor little AI. Maybe the operation/injection/whatever was done in Zurich. Heh.

That was wild and completely unsupported speculation, btw. For the record. It was fun, though. Very Happy

[Edit] lol, never mind, Beth knows James Avery pretty well. She'd recognize him. Ignore me, brain stopped functioning for a minute there... must get more sleep. Very Happy

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well, i doubt it's james. i havent ever actually seen anything about the man other than what we already know... but for some reason i doubt his thoughts translate into computer code and mysteriously find their way onto Beth's metadex.

if i were to guess... i'd say it's an Agent. though, for those who've only watched the movies, not the type of Agent you're thinking of. there are, apparently, many different types of agents. some with compassion and mercy, even.

for example: read the comic...er...short stories, on the official site "System Freeze", and "Goliath". both great examples about how Agents have other duties to fulfill aside from what we all know about.

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Kodos
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Ehsan wrote:
<error subsystem="nat_lang_gen" message="not_present"/>

The natural language generator is not present, so while he understands English, he has no way of speaking.



Interesting ... I wonder why he's man-shaped if he can't speak ... is he new, and doesn't have the ability yet, or has he been damaged somehow?

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Marl64
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Kodos wrote:
Ehsan wrote:
...so while he understands English, he has no way of speaking.


Interesting ... I wonder why he's man-shaped if he can't speak ... is he new, and doesn't have the ability yet, or has he been damaged somehow?


Could be designed to observe (or cause?) the annomolies and human interaction is not part of this.

This also adds a smidgin to a couple of other puzzles;

The AI in the ".bh" thoery understands english and never speaks.

This "man" is not responsible for any of the "voices" on the phone message.
Ehsan wrote:
<diagnostic system="memory" subsystem="all">
<result optimal="1.0" current="0.3" status="error">
<error subsystem="data_retrieval" message="corrupted"/>

And more importantly.. he has no memory. He cannot remember anything or say anything.. poor fellow..

This could also mean he has no memory of why he can't speak, or he has no memory of if he ever could.

I think more importantly, the word "corrupted" suggests that it's not that he has no memory, but that his memory is (70%?) damaged.
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<generalization>
<objects count="974">
<condition type="foreach">
<method id="is_imagined_by" return_type="boolean">
<parameter value="querent"/>
</method>
<operator type="equals" value="true"/>
</condition>
<result true="0" false="974"/>
</objects>
</generalization>
<response type="boolean" value="false" confidence="0.3"/>

This bit looks to me like it's looping the 974 objects which are closest or most relevant and queries whether each could be/is being imagined by the mind. It finds that all 974 are not imagined and actually being seen but the confidence level is low.

What I want to know is who are the kids Beth mentions.

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Wishi wrote:
This bit looks to me like it's looping the 974 objects which are closest or most relevant and queries whether each could be/is being imagined by the mind.

More specifically, "is imagined by" the questioner.
Code:
querent

\Que"rent\, n. [L. quaerens, p. pr. of quaerere to search for, to inquire.] An inquirer. [Obs.] --Aubrey.

But does it refer to IT making the enquiry (in the code) or does it refer to Beth asking the questions out loud?

"Am I imagining any of this?" or "is the human imagining any of this?"
Wishi wrote:
It finds that all 974 are not imagined and actually being seen but the confidence level is low.

Confidence could be low because it's not getting the right answers to explain the situation.
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[quote="AnthraX101"]EDIT: File contents are now complete


Code:
<communication protocol="cg://ara9975.lka18383">
   <bootstrap interop="standard" value="true"/>
   <interware status="err259"/>
   <message type="response"/>
   <context_inference subject="null" confidence="0.0" status="failure">
      <support>
         <subject raw_data="what's happening" expansion="what is happening" type="local_event"/>
         <error local_event_count="84720075" heuristic_narrowing="active" heuristic="immediate_vicinity" candidate_event_count="64492" identification="failure"/>
      </support>
   </context_inference>
   <generalization>
      <events count="64492">
         <condition type="foreach">
            <method id="is_aware_of" return_type="boolean">
               <parameter value="self"/>
            </method>
            <operator type="equals" value="true"/>
         </condition>
         <result true="64492" false="0"/>
      </events>
   </generalization>
   <response type="boolean" value="true" confidence="0.4"/>
</communication>


20031031172955:

Code:
<communication protocol="cg://ara9975.lka18383">
   <bootstrap interop="standard" value="true"/>
   <interware status="err259"/>
   <message type="response"/>
   <response type="translocation">
      <translocation>
         <vector type="polar">
            <theta unit="sau" value="84"/>
            <psi unit="sau" value="7"/>
            <r unit="sdu" value="258"/>
         </vector>
         <method id="standard"/>
      </translocation>
   </response>
</communication>




I wonder ... could another interpretation be that when Beth asks him 'What's happening' and he looks at his surroundings (of course I'm using 'he' loosely), he realizes that others are aware of him, and his response is to leave, or at least to move.

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But does it refer to IT making the enquiry (in the code) or does it refer to Beth asking the questions out loud?



Seems more likely to be referring to Beth, because this time the parameter value is 'querent', where earlier it was 'self'.

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This is where we need a script monkey - this was the one part of Object coding that always messed me up (the "is aware of", "is modified by" type of methods)Confused

So in (generic) object terms, what we're looking at is;
Code:
loop through objects in list
  tally the result of {object}.isAwareOf(self)

and
Code:
loop through objects in list
  tally the result of {object}.isImaginedBy(querent)


Does that sound about right?

Edit:
Kodos wrote:
Seems more likely to be referring to Beth, because this time the parameter value is 'querent', where earlier it was 'self'.

The main issue for me here, is the definition of "self". As in "{object} is aware of...", is it "{object}.self" or "{AI}.self"?
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[SPEC/SPOILER] Just to refresh our memories, in the Movie, the Matrix is Braking apart:
1- Neo is doing some Superman stuff. Some stuff that was not predicted.
2- Smith is taking over the Matrix like a Virus. Causing some BIG TIME anomalies...

So... this "Man like" could not only be an Agent but as well some other corrupted program. Maybe some Error Correcting Software of some kind... as if it were there to Correct, BUT, some unexpected things were happening... MAYBE they were Unexpected because this program is errornous...

Reminding again what the Oracle said, there are thousands and even millions of other programs controling birds, the wind, leaves, the trees, and all other sorts of things... and as Smith gains control of the Low Level code (programer code) the High level (user) becomes Corrupted...

Was I clear? Gotta practice may English more often... Embarassed
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I don't think that the files are the Matrix programming, it is just an environment after all. Something doing a diagnostic sounds more like a program, not necessarily an agent (as we know there are more programs than just agents). Getting caught in a glitch might mess up a program in this way, corrupting its memory and language subroutines. The question would have to be, what was a program doing there? Was it keeping tabs on the anomaly? Don't forget also Beth's near miss in Alabama with the curious frozen horse and fog thing - there was another witness, an "unknown man" who "disappeared in the resulting
fog and hasn't been seen since." Sounds interesting - is it the same man? I'm not a betting man, but I'd certainly put a few pennies on it being so.

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