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bakntime
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 		Re: Minotaur
yanka wrote:
Wow, this thread has become wildly speculative, so I'll try too.

{bunch of stuff yanka wrote}



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I'll tell ya, whether or not that all turns out to be true, you've come up with a heck of a speculation right there!

I was reading some of the other posts, where people had mentioned that the AI was "Labyrinth", and to me that just didn't make sense. Why would you name an AI that? You wouldn't. Labyrinth had to (has to) be something else.

I like your idea about the "man" being the minotaur in a way, and that now that he's out of his created environment, he can't "cope"... Perhaps he was never programmed to communicate properly or just wasn't finished being programmed at all?

Once again this is really just all speculation on our part, but I don't think it's too wild to assume MetaCortex is at the heart of all this stuff. It would make sense that the end of the "story" would come back to where it started at MetaCortex (come full circle so to speak).

It's also not outlandish to assume that MetaCortex is up to much more than "Serving you into the 21st Century", whether or not that's what they intended to happen.

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 		The idea that Labyrinth, not being a piece of AI, makes a lot more sense, as we already know, (and I've posted this before), the labyrinth was used to keep a dangerous beast in (minotaur), if it were a piece of AI, i doubt they would be advertising that they are nearly finished on their main page, it makes more sense that they are advertising a piece of software, which can be used by AI later developed, or maybe its a sort of 3d browser, or virtual reality...these make more sense given its name, and the fact its being advertised. The minotaur would then be the secret part they are working on, and the actual reason for making labyrinth...a piece of experimental AI, which would revolution(pardon the pun)ise computer software, and put metacortex firmly at the top of its game (which as we can see on its main site it already sort of is...basically like microsoft). However what they dont plan on, like yanka mentioned, is that the piece of AI software they are creating, is being made in a program much like "labyrinth"...and it is of course, the "matrix", similar sort of names, for similar programs...a matrix can be described as a womb, or a grid like a prison, as well as its computer meanings, something that houses something else...it houses human minds, just like labyrinth houses the minotaur...

Some interesting things to think about, of course a lot is just speculative, but still real nice ideas from yanka, and only clarified to me that I wasnt the only one thinking the same thing, thus my post above Smile

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 		My apologies for the mis-use of the name Labyrinth, just picking up on a spec thread elsewhere on the board. You're quite right, it makes more sense that the AI would be Minotaur, and links in nicely with the Minotaur story on PRJ as well - I am so dumb. Must be the 'flu [sniff]. I do like this speculation, though. Even if turns out that it isn't right, it still sounds cool.

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XtRaVa wrote:
a matrix can be described as a womb, or a grid like a prison, as well as its computer meanings, something that houses something else...it houses human minds, just like labyrinth houses the minotaur...


Here's some stuff given by dictionary.com/thesaurus.com:

Matrix

A situation or surrounding substance within which something else originates, develops, or is contained.

Computer Science: The network of intersections between input and output leads in a computer, functioning as an encoder or a decoder.

Synonyms:
cast, forge, form, grid, model, mold, origin, pattern, source, womb


Labyrinth

An intricate structure of interconnecting passages through which it is difficult to find one's way; a maze.

An edifice or place full of intricate passageways which render it difficult to find the way from the interior to the entrance.

complex system of paths or tunnels.

Greek Mythology The maze in which the Minotaur was confined.

synonyms: coil, complexity, complication, convolution, entanglement, intricacy, jungle, knot, mesh, morass, perplexity, problem, puzzle, riddle, skein, snarl, tangle, web


Another intresting sidenote- some of the synonyms given for the word "network": complex (noun), grid, labyrinth, netting, structure, system,

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 		exactly, it's also possible to get to each word through clicking through the synonyms...this all links so nicely now, surely we cant be far off the mark Smile

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20031031172955 - October 31, 2003 17:29:55

<communication protocol="cg://ara9975.lka18383">
   <bootstrap interop="standard" value="true"/>
   <interware status="err259"/>
   <message type="response"/>
   <response type="translocation">
      <translocation>
         <vector type="polar">
            <theta unit="sau" value="84"/>
            <psi unit="sau" value="7"/>
            <r unit="sdu" value="258"/>
         </vector>
         <method id="standard"/>
      </translocation>
   </response>
</communication>


Some speculation:

1) This tells us where IT is headed (translocation).
2) vector type=polar means polar coordinates
3) theta, psi and r give us polar coordinates in a 3-d space
4) "sau" = "standard angular unit"
5) "sdu" = "standard distance unit"
6) method id=standard means he's moving the 'normal' way (walking?)

Now if only I had paid attention in math class and actually know what Polar Coordinates are exactly... Smile I'm hoping that psi being small means that he's not about to fly up into space or dig into the ground...

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 		Naming the beast
Ahriman wrote:
My apologies for the mis-use of the name Labyrinth, just picking up on a spec thread elsewhere on the board. You're quite right, it makes more sense that the AI would be Minotaur, and links in nicely with the Minotaur story on PRJ as well

I think we can reconcile the naming issue without impinging too much on the logic of any of our speculations:

I'd floated Labyrinth as a name back then because it was the project name that MetaCortechs employees seemed to be using for some sort of top secret, ultra powerful data mining program, that sounded like a good candidate for our AI. Furthermore, I was compelled by the black hole-like/labyrinthine imagery of .bh's images, and was speculating the the .bh persona in the hacker chats was the presence of the AI.

But it is easy enough to interpret those .bh images as the Minotaur speaking from the depths of its Labyrinth ... the words are shown coming out of the vortices. I have no objection whatsoever to using the name Minotaur for the AI, so the Labyrinth AI is actually the AI from the Labyrinth Very Happy Where I had written 'I am Labyrinth' I should have written 'I am in the Labyrinth'. Indeed, it fits the structure of the myth much better that way.

An AI by any other name, would smell (if there is such a thing) as sweet Wink

(EDIT: That's the joke I was trying to make)

P.S. Anyone else think the Cascade Vortex is a perfect place to arrange a meeting with something that normally manifests in a way that seems paranormal, so that no one would take any special notice of it Laughing
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 		Seiously guys... and I'm only here to throw a spanner Razz but reading only this thread, and trying not to think about the hacker story of this ARG, but how much does all of this sound like the X-Files on bad acid?

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 		hmmmm....

.bh

labyrinth

Shocked

(doubtful Wink )

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Azathoth666 wrote:
... but how much does all of this sound like the X-Files on bad acid?


You mean it's not? Confused Question




Razz

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Worker wrote:


Some speculation:

3) theta, psi and r give us polar coordinates in a 3-d space



That looks to me an excellent example that if it is the minotaur (AI made to exist inside labyrinth), its programmed to be able to exist in a 3D space, just like earlier when I said labyrinth is probably a 3D program, or virtual reality type thing (just like the matrix but not as complex), and because its written to be able to exist in a 3D environment, it can also cope in the real world (well, i say real...but we know its actually the matrix) just like it can cope inside labyrinth...sounds good to me Smile

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Ahriman wrote:
My apologies for the mis-use of the name Labyrinth, just picking up on a spec thread elsewhere on the board.


Oh, by the way, I didn't mean to suggest that there was anything "wrong" with that speculation, and at the time, I didn't have any better ideas. I was just pointing out that it didn't quite make sense to refer to our "guy" as Labyrinth, considering what a labyrinth is. Smile

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XtRaVa wrote:
That looks to me an excellent example that if it is the minotaur (AI made to exist inside labyrinth), its programmed to be able to exist in a 3D space, just like earlier when I said labyrinth is probably a 3D program, or virtual reality type thing (just like the matrix but not as complex), and because its written to be able to exist in a 3D environment, it can also cope in the real world (well, i say real...but we know its actually the matrix) just like it can cope inside labyrinth...sounds good to me Smile


[speculation]
So to get even more "Matrix-y", then the Labyrinth would be like the Construct is in the Matrix - a "scaled down" version of the Matrix.

It's possible.... and now our little AI friend has escaped from the construct, and has somehow found himself in the Matrix. But since the Labyrinth was designed by MetaCortex, it's not quite the same as the Matrix, so AI is having a tough time communicating/functioning properly.
[/speculation]

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 		nice bit of spec that, bakntime.
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 		yeah most definitely, thats how I'm thinking about the whole thing...I mean the employees at metacortex are humans (well...we think so lol) so they wouldnt be able to program like the machines can, so the labyrinth and AI would be inferior compared to the actual matrix, but its just good enuff that it can cause the outcome that we think has happened.

I wonder if there is a Daedalus, and Icarus in this...daedalus I suspect would be the designer/s (just like in the myth)...but Icarus might be a slightly more innocent party, which has "fallen" for flying to high...or another way to put it...getting to close, and therefore his downfall had to insue...I can hear the name James Avery...all speculatory of course, but the more i think about it...the more it SEEMS to make sense.

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