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ExecNight
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 9
[Alert]Can we trust Metacortechs.com? While we can observe the number of files we have to download to solve some puzzles is dramatically increasing,this question is bugging me..
The Organisation or the Individual hosting these sites are unknown..So i am wondering if anyone is really checking the files we download for viruses?I don't mean with an Anti-Virus program..Such a virus is unknown for sure,so have to check the programming itself..
I wanted to talk about this because since yesterday night,some of my .exe files are not working..Some programs are not starting..Though my opinion is if this site is infecting our PCs with viruses it can't be this easy anyway..Maybe an attack to a site or something big i don't know.I suggest we check that out..
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:53 pm
Marauder
Veteran
Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 123
Interesting point... I think we would have noticed viruses by now, but not necessarily spyware...
*runs Spybot S&D*
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:56 pm
joebrent
Unfettered
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 640 Location: New York, sometimes
The Metacortex screensaver is a web portal. Seemed fishy at first, so I ran a very thorough virus and trojan horse scan on the screensaver and wallpaper, but it turned up nothing. Probably nothing nefarious going on there, they just want to know who's following the plot carefully so they can keep us updated.
I thought perhaps it might have something to do with who would be selected for beta testing on the VRX console, but we haven't heard anything about that that for some time, so maybe not.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:05 pm
bakntime
Unfettered
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 462 Location: back in time
I was also thinking that they would end up selling our e-mail addresses, phone numbers, etc, but I realized that there are much easier ways to go about that, as well as the fact that the number of people that play this game is relatively low compared and wouldn't be worth it to them. Bandwidth is more expensive that e-mail addresses and phone numbers.
The same is true of viruses. There are simply much easier ways to spread them than to go through all the work they go through. Think about all the work they've put into this. They're clearly talented individuals, and whatever their motivation, you can probably bet it's not anything underhanded.
While we may eventually find out that they are either advertising for something or trying to "spread the word" about a company that they are forming, or maybe even an internet hosting service, they are not up to anything duplicitous.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:07 pm
XtRaVa
Unfettered
Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 565 Location: Portsmouth, England
Do you think they will actually choose people for the beta test...I mean, I think its pretty safe to assume that the makers of the game havnt programmed an advanced piece of virtual reality gaming for us to test lol
Maybe they are making a program in C++, or VB or something, where it looks like you can test the VRX, but for whatever reason you cant yet, and instead the program is filled with clues etc...but that would be lame, because I cant see a good reason they could use as to why the VR doesnt work, because why else would they release it as a beta?
So anyone got any ideas as to whether or not we will become "beta testers" and if so, what will we be "testing"?
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:15 pm
ExecNight
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 9
Indeed they are talented..That makes me more afraid..Let me tell you that if you crash yahoo.com their loss in U.S. $ 1.000.000 at least,only for 1 hour downtime..And that can't be compared with the money spent on this project..
So what i am trying to say is this may be something big and we have to check all the files there is and there will be until the Individual or the organisation reveals itself..
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:16 pm
taniwha
Boot
Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 40
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:23 pm
BrianEnigma
Entrenched
Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 1199 Location: Pacific Northwest
Re: [Alert]Can we trust Metacortechs.com?
ExecNight wrote:
The Organisation or the Individual hosting these sites are unknown..So i am wondering if anyone is really checking the files we download for viruses?I don't mean with an Anti-Virus program..Such a virus is unknown for sure,so have to check the programming itself..
Every file that has been downloaded so far (with one exception) has been a data file--a picture, a sound, a text file, a video clip. You cannot hide viruses in data files. (You can sometimes exploit buffer overruns in data files, but that's a different story.)
The one file, so far, that has not been data is the screensaver. The screensaver is a flash file (http://netninja.com/scrapbook/Metacortex/metacortex/screensaver.swf) wrapped in an executable. As I understand it, this is a pretty standard way of doing cheap and easy screensavers, but that EXE is still unknown. Personally, it doesn't matter to me. I can extract the Flash from the screensaver and run it in a browser without running the actual screensaver program. (In fact, this is the easiest way for me to view the screensaver, considering I do not have a machine that regularly runs Windows).
As always--for this ARG as well as real life--do not run things from untrusted sources unless you have good protection and good backups. Caveat emptor.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:43 pm
ExecNight
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 9
Good point,unfortunatly quite outdated..You can infect any file with viruses these days...This includes .jpg etc..
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:54 pm
bakntime
Unfettered
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 462 Location: back in time
ExecNight wrote:
Good point,unfortunatly quite outdated..You can infect any file with viruses these days...This includes .jpg etc..
...*confused*...
How? The file has to be "executed" by something. A data file (like a JPG) cannot "run" the virus, since programs like Paint or Photoshop simply read the data in the file and display it on screen. That's all they're programmed to do. Take bits and bytes and turn them into a visual image. A virus in a JPG would either have no effect at all, or would make the JPG corrupt and unreadable by regular means.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:03 pm
Diandra
Unfettered
Joined: 27 Sep 2002 Posts: 390
Distributed Computing Theory Ok, I'm gonna go out on a limb here. The only contact we've had from Metacortechs was email that included a line about making sure we get the screensaver. I found that significant. I'm thinking the screensaver might be a plot point.
For anyone who's familiar with distributed computing , you'll know exactly what I mean. It's used frequently for things like the SETI project, where an extraordinary amount of processing power is needed. That would certainly be the case trying to host a Matrix. (Yes, I know about the human battery thing from the movie, but if an alternative to that were necessary, this makes sense.) Bear in mind that I'm not saying there's an ap actually hidden in the screensaver, just spec'ing about a possible plot tie-in between the screensaver and the Metacortechs storyline.
Dia
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:10 pm
taniwha
Boot
Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 40
ExecNight wrote:
Good point,unfortunatly quite outdated..You can infect any file with viruses these days...This includes .jpg etc..
If that were at all true, the Internet as we know it would screech to a halt. Our browsers are constantly downloading image files from sites.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:10 pm
ExecNight
Greenhorn
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 9
I was gonna infect a .jpg and put it here for an example first then i thought it might get me in trouble..So i am just gonna give a link which you can see it is possible..And this link won't tell you how to do it sorry that would not be legal...
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_607293.html
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:31 pm
AnthraX101
Entrenched
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 797
ExecNight wrote:
I was gonna infect a .jpg and put it here for an example first then i thought it might get me in trouble..So i am just gonna give a link which you can see it is possible..And this link won't tell you how to do it sorry that would not be legal...
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_607293.html
These types of viruses are extremely specialized and can not infect remote computers. See http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.perrun.html for more details. They would not be able to infect your machine through a .jpg.
More or less, as long as you didn't yet download the screensaver, you are definitely safe. The screensaver -could- be something, but it is doubtful. I ran the screensaver for about 5 min and it did not create any network traffic. It could have modified files, but it did not show up doing any of the normal virus-like operations on my computer. It doesn't run itself on startup, or associate itself with a common file type.
AnthraX101
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:44 pm
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Azathoth666
Unfettered
Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Posts: 321 Location: OZ-tralia
Sorry Exec... that link is also your downfall.
This "new strain" drops a payload in the data file, but unless you actually run the virus executable file, the infected .jpgs do butkiss.
I think I'll wait for the SARC announcement on this one before I get all paranoid about viewing pictures on the internet...
Don't get ne wrong, a good dose of caution is always handy, but you don't have to worry about this one for a while, I'd say.
[EDIT] Quicker on the keys than I am again, Anthrax...
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:46 pm
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