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Sunny du Pree
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[quote="SemioclastTechnology as a tool for expression validates what it is, a tool. I feel that it is the point at which we forget that technology is a tool and begin using it as a substitute for originality and expression that is scary.

I'm just rambling. Anyone else have any opinions?
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I think that our technology has gone so far beyond our comprehension that we cant anticipate the outcome. We have so many new technologies and no one fully understands the import of them. We can only hope that the right people have control of these technologies.......
right now i am praying Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:40 pm
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i think self expression has been lost not because of technology but because of the powers that hold that technology
major corps... the media and at least for my experience in public schools
all of the things that matter now in life(just speaking right now from life exp.) at least to me didnt matter to those in charge.
it takes at least some self-expression to have meaning.
but alot of that is lost in the pop culture sorry not raggin on fans but thats my take
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illuminati_dk
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If anyone has the time i would strongly advise that they read "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown, a really good crime novel, where the clues in the book is a lot like this game using anagrams and symbols, all real historic types dating back to the templars and da vinci, the grand master of hidding symbols and clues in his pictures like our ceasar.

i could'nt put down when i started, a must read for all ARG's
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illuminati_dk wrote:
If anyone has the time i would strongly advise that they read "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown, a really good crime novel, where the clues in the book is a lot like this game using anagrams and symbols, all real historic types dating back to the templars and da vinci, the grand master of hidding symbols and clues in his pictures like our ceasar.

i could'nt put down when i started, a must read for all ARG's


It is a good read, though cryptoheads beware, the author likes codes, but occasionally makes some fundamental mistakes (such as not quite understanding what public key crypto actually is).

Saying that, I really enjoyed it.

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It is my belief that the matrix is inevitable, as humans gradually incorporate more and more technology into their lives constantly upgrading it and depending on it eventually things will change and instead of man competing for new technology, man will start to compete against new technology. This "new technology" (or A.I) would be far faster and more efficient at bettering itself thus becoming the most dominant "species" on the planet and eventually introducing more and more sytems of control over us untill one side strikes against the other (probably man out of fear as a desperate last attempt) and we all end up plugged into the matrix.
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Semioclast wrote:
Anyway, one has to consider how much humanity has already been lost by our reliance on machines. Could Hemingway have written his works using MS Word with the grammer check turned on? Hell, no. How much genuine human creativity (which is, arguably, the very marker of humanity) has been lost due to our reliance on such seemingly transparent manipulations of the ways in which we express our humanity?


On the contrary side, however, how much expression has been enabled by the increasing proliferation of technology? I would never have gotten as deeply into photography as I am with film cameras - the learning curve is slow, it costs a lot of money. Digital cameras have allowed me to short-cut the learning curve. Similarly with music - I used to write songs years ago, and I can't play an instrument to save my life, but my PC allowed me to start using sequencers and software drum machines to put those songs together and create actual music. It was mostly crap, but *I* made it, all on my own, enabled by technology. Not being able to play an instrument very well, I would never have been in a band, so technology allowed me the only route to express myself in that way.

I would say that the equation balances itself - I'm sure that the glowing phosphorescence of a blank Word page is less inviting to creativity than a piece of blank, virgin paper, and there are certainly too many distractions to hand (I can't write anything tonight, must concentrate, must focus, ooh, is that the Quake III icon? Plasma gun, mmm, toasty...) But technology has also empowered people to be their own publishers, to spread their creations across the whole world with no more outlay than for an internet connection and, maybe, some webspace.

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Of course, though, in order to have, or even use, the technology, you have to have the money to obtain it first. Whilst some governments have taken steps to establish Internet cafe's and educate their computer illiterate populations, many still go by without computer access.
And yet, are they any less creative, any less thoughtful?
I think it's a matter of degree; depending on the society you live in, the culture that surrounds you, your creativity and intelligence will be able to be expressed in different ways/forms.
There is always an outlet, and no matter how much someone might try to suppress it, art, philosophy and the like will always exist, even if it's only in an underground form.
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Has anyone else ever read Peter F. Hamilton's 'The Night's Dawn trilogy'? It's a great sci-fi read, although I'd recommend by the version chopped up into bite size books since the trilogy is actually three massive books each the size of a brick!
Anyway, there are some characters in there (the name of their 'species' escapes me right now), but they were an 'evolved' form of human in that they had rejected religion completely and embraced technology to the point that not only did they it spliced into their genome, but that their consciousness continued on, long after their body died, in a type of massive computer mainframe. Each consciousness could break away from the whole for personal contemplation, or join the consciousness to form a massively powerful, highly intelligent computer that was in fact the government of that society.
A fascinating study of the potential development of the human species, and the extent to which he details technology (most of which hasn't even been invented yet) would put a lot of Star Trek writers to shame.
Just thought I'd put it out there for anyone who wanted a good holiday read.
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King Mob wrote:
....many still go by without computer access.
And yet, are they any less creative, any less thoughtful?


You misunderstand what I wrote. I did not say that people without access to technology were not creative or thoughtful, simply that technology empowers some people to realise their creative abilities (or realise that they don't have any in the case of my music...)

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Sorry about that Ahriman; I wasn't actually replying to your quote specifically, just talking in general. But I do agree with you that technology can benefit (although it can also be harmful).
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Regarding Beth's little IM marathon last night, I just thought I'd give you guys a recommendation on a play you might want to check out. It's called Arcadia, by Tom Stoppard, and it's about...well, it's about abstract mathematics, chaos theory, landscape gardening, Gothic Romanticism vs traditional English Classicism, sex and literature, and as it relates to a murder mystery involving Lord Byron...whew, I know, pretty far out. But the thing that particularly reminds me of this ARG is the part that involves a 13 year old girl named Thomasina who may or may not have described Non-Euclidean geometry and Feynman-style chaos mathematics in an English manor in 1809. Specifically, her speech in the 3rd scene, speaking with her tutor Septimus:

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T: Each week I plot your equations dot for dot, xs against ys in all manner of algebraical relation, and every week they draw themselves as commonplace geometry, as if the world of forms were nothing but arcs and angles. God's truth, Septimus, if there is an equation for a bell, there must be one for a bluebell, and if a bluebell, why not a rose? Do we believe nature is written in numbers?

S: We do.

T: Then why do your equations only describe the shapes of manufacture?

S: I do not know.

T: Armed thus, God could only make a cabinet.

S: He has a mastery of equations which lead into infinities where we cannot follow.

T: What a faint-heart! We must work outward from the middle of the maze. We will start with something simple. (She picks up the apple leaf.) I will plot this leaf and deduce its equation. You will be famous for being my tutor when Lord Byron is dead and forgotten.


Isn't this basically what the Matrix does? And aren't the XML codes the AI man was using essentially the same thing, except used to describe humanistic behavior? Food for thought. And even if you don't buy the whole maths thing, it's still an incredible play, so read it anyway.

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For all the young geeks in us, I cannot more highly recommend 'The Invisibles' comicbook by Grant Morrison; a rollicking ride of conspiracy theories, sci-fi, technology, culture references and the like, it's a brilliant piece of work. And the artwork is done right brilliant!
Oh, yeah, it's also where I got my username Wink , so maybe I'm a bit partial.

EDIT: You'd like it bakntime - it's got time travel! By the way, I don't suppose you know where I can get my hands on Marty McFly's real working hoverboard do you? I always wanted that thing!
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