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Monki

Hmmm... I enjoyed the movie quite a bit... damned cool visuals..

That being said... I enjoyed it more than Reloaded, but that isn't saying much.

I thought the nipple pinching at the very beginning (you forgot it, didn't you) was a little odd. Like the bros are thinking "We're making a rated R movie, why not throw in a ### shot."

Sheesh.. albeit, it happens almost immeidately after the movie begins so you forget it by the time its over.

Oh, and Neo (Real World) spitting out light at the end was a little odd... I mean, I know its the future, but where does light come from within someone?

And the shot of the Sentinal going THROUGH Neo? What was that... I didn't get it.

So many unanswered questions... just begging for another Anime series or comic book or expanded universe much like the Star Wars series..

The biggest question... NOW WHAT?? Someone mentioned jumping into the matrix for vacation... kind of like the holodeck in Star Trek, huh?

But if Smith inhabited all of the people within the Matrix, doesn't that mean they (the crop) are all dead anyways? I guess you could start over...

Damn... I need a "For Dummies..." guide to The Matrix.

-Monki

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:00 am

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Omnie · Entrenched Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772

Oh! It's one movie! It makes SO much sense to think of it this way. Reloaded and Revolutions totally complement each other. After seeing Revolutions, I now think I love Reloaded (although I really liked it before, too). Neither really works as a stand-alone movie, for different reasons, because they both have very different strengths and weaknesses. So...how cool would it have been if they really had shown them two weeks apart as the brothers wanted? Evil corporation... Twisted Evil

Then we wouldn't have analyzed Reloaded to death as a separate movie...we're looking at this all wrong. Well, I was, anyway, I dunno how you guys are looking at it. I mean, in my earlier post that I edited (heh), I'd mentioned that I was disappointed because it was possible to predict nearly everything that happened in Revolutions by logically extrapolating from Reloaded (and Animatrix and Enter the Matrix, but you know what I mean). I see now that this actually makes sense...because they are one big movie. Man...I feel better now. Very Happy

Next time I go see it, I'm holding my own little marathon, so that Revolutions comes right after the end of Reloaded...to see how they fit together. Yay...

(Just watch me change my mind again in five minutes...)

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:03 am

bagsbee · Unfettered Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 417 Location: NYC

I enjoyed the movie. Could it have been better? In many ways. But it was still cool.

Two things that are bugging me (to the point where I'm typing this at 3:19am):

1. Why didn't Morpheus fight at all in this movie? Forget plot, forget continuity, I wanted to see Morpheus fight. He's sort of the Obi-Wan Kenobi (or even Yoda) of the Matrix world, and dammit, I wanna see him fight. WB, you owe me.

2. Why was there only 1 EMP? Weren't the rest of the ships equipped with one? If so, where were the rest of the ships? And why couldn't they have an EMP in Zion itself, in case of emergencies? For that matter, why didn't they set up EMPs strategically around the perimeter of Zion? And since we're on the topic, why didn't Neo just use the EMP when he was in Machine City, seems to me he could've taken out quite a few of those suckers...

These are just my preliminary thoughts, I'm sure I'll have more gripes tomorrow Wink

Anyway the movie was good, see it if you haven't, don't listen to all the naysayers, see it for yourself.

[EDIT] After reading this again, I think I have EMP issues Surprised

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**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:26 am

Mooni · Boot Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 27 Location: Australia

Hmmm ... lots of good questions!

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:38 am

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**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:49 am

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**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:57 am

aqualung1105 · Boot Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 55

I loved the movie, but I totally agree that Reloaded and Revolutions should be seen as one movie and referred back to The Matrix, which is the only one of the three that can stand alone.

EC, hope this helps:

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:57 pm

joebrent

Are you kidding? The whole thing is a retelling of the Book of Revelations...get it? Revolutions, Revelations...You've got the Christ and the anti-Christ, duking it out. You've got the 4 horsemen (who shoot squiddies at Trin and Neo outside 01). You've got the 144,000 saved (remember how there were about 250,000 residents of Zion originally). The opening of the seventh seal (seventh reboot of Zion and humanity). Check out 18:10 -

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:01 pm

XtRaVa

Hmm...the movie? Well erm...Yeah, it was amazing, but, at the end, I still think to myself "So where's number 4 to complete the other 3 then..?" if you know what I mean.

I knew Neo would snuff it...it had to happen, course it did...after all, he is a saviour, Adam, Christ, and as we know, saviours only spend a little while performing miracles etc before they die...but they ALWAYS come back...in the matrix, the new saviour wouldnt be the same person each time round of course, but this time things happened a lot differently, maybe Neo will come back in a different body, or maybe even the same body (doubtfull, but lets hope so). Trinity died...well yeah, Neo lost his eyes, everything was going to crap, as soon as she died we knew Neo wouldnt make it either, they would always kill both of them off, because they couldnt leave one to mourn for the rest of their lives...still, it made me feel, I dunno...kinda sick/upset, but hey its only a movie eh?

I have a feeling we havnt seen the last of matrix movies (whether with real people or CGI I dont know). If one was real people, I doubt they would use much of the same cast, like it might just follow a group now that the matrix is kinda come'n'go, where people are allowed to leave if they want...as we know, matrix online takes place inside the matrix after revolutions, so I really cant wait for that...

Overall the movie out of 10, would have been 11/10, except because Neo and Trinity died, it lowers it to 10/10 lol. I left the cinema with a strange look on my face too, as if to say "geez, wtf??" but I was still very happy with the way the trilogy ended, and understand completely the reason they ended it in such a way. Well I guess I've talked to myself out loud there, but I just needed to...

Oh, and the train station being called "MOBIL AVE", did anyone else realise its an anagram of Limbo (dont know if this has been brought up yet) because I seriously think I was the only person in the cinema to realise, my friend I was with didnt pick it up, and hes supposed to be a matrix-head like me, but then again I guess it doesnt require you to even be a fan of the matrix to see such an obvious anagram Razz

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:02 pm

aqualung1105 · Boot Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 55

XtRaVa - didn�t catch the "limbo" anagram - and quite embarassed (sp?)!
I didn�t even notice the name of the station, guess I need to watch the movie again...probably more details I didn�t get.

BTW, loved Rama at the station; he had some important things to say about the way machines relate to emotions - and maybe how humans do...?

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:38 pm

Omnie · Entrenched Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772

Heh, yeah, I wouldn't have caught the limbo anagram myself if it hadn't been discussed earlier on Matrix forums.

I think I'm going to reserve judgement for when I see the movie again on Sunday. It merits a second viewing, at least.

My gut reactions? I had a great time while watching - I just let go and let the movie take me wherever it wanted to go, so it was quite an emotional experience. I don't know if that makes me sound like a lunatic, but I hope you guys know what I mean... Very Happy

Afterwards, I felt let down by the fact that the ending was so friggin predictable! The concept of peace was perfect and exactly the way the trilogy had to end, because it's the direction that it has long been pointing to...lots of hints all over the place. Before watching, I expected Neo to die, and if Neo died Smith had to die because they are opposites, and if Neo died Trinity also had to die because they wouldn't be able to live separately. So the ending held no surprises for me...and this made me feel somewhat disappointed, after the movie, when I realized that there were not going to be any mind-blowing revelations. That was my initial reaction...like I said, I'm going to hold off on saying how I feel about it now until I see it again. There was quite a lot in there that I missed, partially because I was just so into the movie that I let some of the finer points pass me by.

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:55 pm

aqualung1105 · Boot Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 55

Well, Omnie, if you�re a looney, so am I - and so is the woman I watched it with; we both were swept in and came out of the theater all "where am I"-like...

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:34 pm

Omnie · Entrenched Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 772

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:58 pm

joebrent

BTW how good was the actor who played Bane? He totally nailed the Hugo Weaving speech patterns. I kept imagining him rehearsing those lines with Hugo, like, "OK you say this line, and I'll try to imitate how you say it."

And speaking of Hugo, how good is this guy!? His speech at the end, when he's trying to understand why Neo keeps getting up...the guy can really act.

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:03 pm

Dasein · Greenhorn Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 6

[quote]
The machines needed Neo because his "code" was the exact complimentary to Smith, as the Oracle said (which is also why the Smith virus, as it were, seized to exist when they merged - as did Neo) - and he was no longer confined to the matrix, as he had found a way into Bane�s mind, f.ex.
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to add to this thought...

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:19 pm