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What do you want to see?/What are you sick of?
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Slendery
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I definitely want to see more tentacles. EMH kinda unofficially was the first vlog to have them, but Tribe Twelve really made them visible and awesome. Slendy just standing there is cool, but Slendy standing there with tentacles flailing...THAT'S EPIC. Twisted Evil

I made a gif for lulz. Razz


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SkyLarkin
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Re: I could do this all day

Mattwan wrote:
Mira wrote:

Now we're fightin' back with knives and bats
In our metal shirts and baseball hats
Rose-tint my world
Puking blood, 'cause I'm goin' insaaane


When Evan said he'd
Bash in Slendy's head we
Knew he was an OK kid.
But he forgot his knife
And he almost lost his life

What a guy.

Made Jeff cry.

Then they hid.


This. I want a EMH/Slenderman musical. Broadway will make a musical out of anything these days, why not this?

On a serious note, I don't want to see any more references (no matter how subtle) to other ARGs/Slender vids. It worked in EMH, but it's overdone.

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NoMoreGaems
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5_pak wrote:
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The Slendy stories exist in their world. Know why I know this? I can send a link to their email/comments/house and make them watch/read them.


Not necessarily. If you're going for an interactive story, sure, it's gonna be difficult to avoid readers spilling the beans early, but for a straight up narrative like Tribe Twelve or Marble Hornets, it's very easy to throw up the fourth wall whenever you need a bit of breathing room.

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5_pak wrote:

The same ending. Slendy wins, hero dead/insane, mystery eternally unsolved, and a thousand angels cried. That's boring. I get it, Slendy is a community-character, no one has the right to kill him. But we all have the right to outsmart him, even in just a tiny way. We have the right to wound him, even if only a paper cut. We have the right to escape and even to forget. Try new endings so we can't see it coming from two thousands yards away, waving it's finely dressed tentacles in the air.


I disagree with this almost entirely. I do agree that the same repetitive ending is boring, however I feel like the belief that people as writers can't muck with SM and kill him is probably the reason we get that so much. How they die is as important to a monster's mythology as why they live. Where would vampires be without garlic, sunlight, stakes and holy water? Silver bullets, a shovel to the forehead, burning at the stake, finding their true name... the ways in which humans can overcome, no matter how complicated, unlikely or dangerous are the real driving forces in a monster story. If all you have is an unknowable, undying, unbeatable foe... that gets boring REALLY fast.

This of course wouldn't mean the end to SM stories. There's always another vamp, or someone who was bitten, or a supernatural force that will return the monster to life. We've been telling vampire, werewolf, zombie, demon, witch, ghost stories for centuries and killing them off has never stopped the flow of stories.

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NoMoreGaems wrote:
5_pak wrote:
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The Slendy stories exist in their world. Know why I know this? I can send a link to their email/comments/house and make them watch/read them.


Not necessarily. If you're going for an interactive story, sure, it's gonna be difficult to avoid readers spilling the beans early, but for a straight up narrative like Tribe Twelve or Marble Hornets, it's very easy to throw up the fourth wall whenever you need a bit of breathing room.


The characters of Slender stories not acknowledging that they are facing Slenderman and that this cat has been seen rapping on the Internet before the last act of the show has the feel of a guy in a Holocaust film not understanding that he's in Germany. It smacks of being so genre blind you've run into the fourth wall, cracked the camera, and splattered blood on the audience's popcorn.

With Slendy, it's like the opposite of zombie movies. In Z movies, no one is allowed to say "These be zombies! Holy frig these are zombies guys!" In Slendy stories, not acknowledging "This is the mother-loving Slenderman, destroyer of worlds" is, by this point, only acceptable if the main character is actually someone who knows nothing about the stories at all.

ChildOfAtom wrote:
5_pak wrote:

The same ending. Slendy wins, hero dead/insane, mystery eternally unsolved, and a thousand angels cried. That's boring. I get it, Slendy is a community-character, no one has the right to kill him. But we all have the right to outsmart him, even in just a tiny way. We have the right to wound him, even if only a paper cut. We have the right to escape and even to forget. Try new endings so we can't see it coming from two thousands yards away, waving it's finely dressed tentacles in the air.


I disagree with this almost entirely. I do agree that the same repetitive ending is boring, however I feel like the belief that people as writers can't muck with SM and kill him is probably the reason we get that so much. How they die is as important to a monster's mythology as why they live. Where would vampires be without garlic, sunlight, stakes and holy water? Silver bullets, a shovel to the forehead, burning at the stake, finding their true name... the ways in which humans can overcome, no matter how complicated, unlikely or dangerous are the real driving forces in a monster story. If all you have is an unknowable, undying, unbeatable foe... that gets boring REALLY fast.

This of course wouldn't mean the end to SM stories. There's always another vamp, or someone who was bitten, or a supernatural force that will return the monster to life. We've been telling vampire, werewolf, zombie, demon, witch, ghost stories for centuries and killing them off has never stopped the flow of stories.


I think you meant "agree" because that's pretty much what I said. The same ending is boring if repeated over and over, and almost all Slendy stories end with either death, insanity, or ambiguity that might as well be the first two. If people are afraid to try new endings, then we'll just be seeing the same things from now until Slendy joins the Reptile Man as forgotten legends.

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Well, there are ways to "end" your Slenderstory without the character ending up dead/insane and/or "kill" Slendy. My first thought was: Why not let the character find some way to push Slendy back into his realm/dimension/whatev. This would make your character survive, and other stories can still use our Slender friend, because he just could have escaped from his realm/dimension/whatev.

I would really like to see a story end up like this or in a similar way.

The "Zombies/Vampires are killed an still there are stories about them" doesn't work for me, though, because Slender Man is kind of unique (again, for me), whereas there are many, many zombies, vampires, werewolfs and the like (because they can reproduce, which Slendy - hopefully - can't)
Apart from that, I just don't like the idea of multiple Slendys, thought that would make the "kill one, there are still some left to use in args/cf" possible

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5_pak wrote:

I think you meant "agree" because that's pretty much what I said.


Well... the part I disagree with is you saying that we don't have the "right" to kill SM in story. My point is that the death (or at least stopping) of the monster is what monster stories are about. Yes you want to be scared and to feel endangered, but in the end you need the glimmer of hope... "these characters overcame, so can I."

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Aperion
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Good to see this is still going strong

I want more subtlety one of the mistakes I feel all the Marble hornets copy cats make is acknowledging that they are Slender stories far too early on.
Not only do they neglect to build their characters as much as they should but they deny themselves a atmosphere of suspense.
In marble hornets/tribes twelve/Everyman Hybrid Slendy showed his (lack of) face in the first episode.
After that your searching the background every episode to find him I feel that damages the experience a little imo.
I think there might be something to keeping references to Slendy quiet for quite awhile and just establishing that something weird is happening without making slendy's involvement obvious keep the audience guessing a bit.
also by not starting out as a obvious slenderman story you hiding him in the background of every episode will have a much greater impact when re-watched by your audience.

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ChildOfAtom wrote:
5_pak wrote:

I think you meant "agree" because that's pretty much what I said.


Well... the part I disagree with is you saying that we don't have the "right" to kill SM in story. My point is that the death (or at least stopping) of the monster is what monster stories are about. Yes you want to be scared and to feel endangered, but in the end you need the glimmer of hope... "these characters overcame, so can I."

So like what you're saying is that it's alright for characters to "beat" the Slender-man as long as there's no finality to it as long as they don't "Kill him for all time" or some such nonsense?
cause if that's what you're saying then I agree

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Re: I could do this all day

Mattwan wrote:
Mira wrote:

Now we're fightin' back with knives and bats
In our metal shirts and baseball hats
Rose-tint my world
Puking blood, 'cause I'm goin' insaaane


When Evan said he'd
Bash in Slendy's head we
Knew he was an OK kid.
But he forgot his knife
And he almost lost his life

What a guy.

Made Jeff cry.

Then they hid.


Now, this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just take a stand
I'll tell you how I became the accuainted with a guy called Slenderman

In south New Jersey born and raised
Excersizing was how I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all hanging with Evan and Jeff near the school
When we made a Slenderman
We were up to no good
Started attracting the real one to my neighborhood
He came one day and Evan got ticked
And he said 'Guys, I wanna kill it'


...I'm sorry.

But, to keep a little on topic- the way EMH has intuned music has been really great, and not just because it's my own music taste- it's given out hints and little clues all over. I'd love to see more of that around, since a lot of Slenderman stories seem to start out with the arts (heck, MH started out with a movie, so yeah).

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I disagree with the people saying that Slender Man shouldn't be killed... if he's killed, why wouldn't he be able to come back in another ARG? After all, in the universe of another ARG if the other ARG got mentioned at all it would probably be as a work of fiction... not the "real" Slender Man.
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First time poster, recent lurker, and only recently got in to the mythos, so pardon any mistakes etc.

I like the idea of there being multiple slendermen both relating to the stories and on the meta level.

Within the stories, multiple slendermen could help explain things or add a whole new level of complexity to the character or even the story itself. Maybe he isn't teleporting, maybe he just has friends.

On the meta level, it adds a lot of leeway, I think, in the creation of the stories. I agree that killing off the monster is just as important as establishing his existence. While I don't think one should be killed in all, I just don't like the idea of some all encompassing invincible evil. Otherwise, every story is in sense futile, as we know Slendy will just win anyway.

I have a few ideas of something I want a do, and even read this thread just to see what would be good to do. I hate emulating stories, always have, so I want to do something different.

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RatheadSyndicate
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Disagree about the multiSlender thing. One of the most frightening things about him is his solitude. I don't want to know that he is one of a species, or a tribe, or a community, because that makes sense, and I don't want Slenderman to make sense. I don't want him to teleport or to be in multiple places at once or to time travel or to help people or to hurt people or to punish people because all of those things make sense. The most sense you can apply to Slenderman is that he is malevolent, dangerous, and FUCKING SCARY. Anything else muddies the water.

The analogy of Lovecraft's take on his mythos versus the take of Clark Ashton Smith and other second-wave Cthulhians is an apt one. Lovecraft introduced monsters, told you almost nothing about them, and then told you that you couldn't comprehend them, that they wanted to kill and/or drive people insane, and that they were coming for you. Smith and others invented elaborate mythology around these monsters that rationalized them and made them understandable, acceptable, sane. That's simply a bad idea.

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SolDL
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Kinda like what Rathead said...I don't really like the 'glimmer of hope' idea. I think that critically misunderstands what makes the Slendy stories so great. Slendy is more Nyarlathotep than Wolfman; part of the fear is that sense of complete, cosmic inevitability. It's the fear someone feels for a few seconds when they're skydiving and their parachute falls off in mid-air. That we are able to beat him, that we can even comprehend HOW to beat him, would ruin it for me. That's kinda why...What was that one where the kid carved a sword out of a Slenderman's bones? Well, that sucked, and this is one of the reasons why.

I think I'd like to see a Slenderman story that doesn't show Slenderman for a long, long time, which focuses more on the psychological aspect of it. Seeing Slenderman just kinda chilling in the background of every shot has lost a bit of its fear factor. I'd like to see Slendy only appear once the atmosphere has been established somehow, and I'd like his appearance to be more than just 'sup guys i'm here now.' Like, maybe a Wham episode where he finally comes out, tentacles flying.

I'd like to see more characters like Zeke, too. Very savvy, and able to dodge Slendy. I mean, Zeke's absolutely fucked, but I think the fact that he tries to fight it in his own way, just brings him so high in my eyes. The EMH guys have started it too, with Ashen Waste. "Gun it."

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You people seem to be forgetting that the chief strength of Slenderman is his adaptability and lack of origin. Since when is Slenderman a cosmic inevitability?
What if I say Slenderman is the spirit of a long dead cult leader, hence the interest he's had in kidnapping children? The fires are, after all, his method of recreating the circumstances of his death.
Or how about the fact that the so-called "slenderman" is in fact a manner of advanced recon scout produced by extra-terrestrial intelligences, designed based on the images they've found of our culture, sent out to learn more about humans, hence the dissecting victims and leaving their organs in bags inside them.
Hell, maybe Slenderman isn't any of that, maybe he's a powerful psychic, mutated Akira-style by his powers, who now follows others and leeches their memories off to support himself. Unfortunately, while he can erase memories of himself, he can't erase his image on video...
Slenderman isn't a character from a literary work, he's not a mythological figure with thousands of years of history, he's barely a few years old and based entirely around whatever the author thinks would be scariest or most interesting for their story. It's people like you who kill creativity in Slenderman stories, leading to concerns like ChildOfAtom's, that all he has in him is psychological cosmic horror stories. He really doesn't.

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