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Re: Critical Analysis
It's a slow night

Well if we're only doing this for fun... I'll play along. Wink An argument could be made that it's a metaphor for aging in general, and for Alex's struggle with transitioning into "real" adulthood in particular. I don't think the creators meant it that way, or really any way beyond "Hey, this is creepy. Let's make a scary series and build an awesome fort outta brix that are shat!" But you can find hidden meaning in any story. (She says, to the awestruck and flabbergasted folks at uf who'd never heard such a sentiment. Razz) That's probably doubly true for horror. Although, what I read into it probably says a lot more about me than about MH or the creators.        
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Re: Critical Analysis
It's a slow night

tijde wrote:
Well if we're only doing this for fun... I'll play along. Wink An argument could be made that it's a metaphor for aging in general, and for Alex's struggle with transitioning into "real" adulthood in particular. I don't think the creators meant it that way, or really any way beyond "Hey, this is creepy. Let's make a scary series and build an awesome fort outta brix that are shat!" But you can find hidden meaning in any story. (She says, to the awestruck and flabbergasted folks at uf who'd never heard such a sentiment. Razz) That's probably doubly true for horror. Although, what I read into it probably says a lot more about me than about MH or the creators.        


I halfway agree with you. But I think for the MH creators plot has taken the forefront. They talk about in blogs how the script is not where it should be or we haven't developed some things yet. Earlier I think their plan was more or less this. "Lets make crazy stuff to scare the hell out of people."

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An argument could be made that it's a metaphor for aging in general, and for Alex's struggle with transitioning into "real" adulthood in particular


That's a pretty fascinating way of looking at it. What aspects in particular convey the theme of aging to you?

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Re: Critical Analysis
It's a slow night

tijde wrote:
Well if we're only doing this for fun... I'll play along. Wink An argument could be made that it's a metaphor for aging in general, and for Alex's struggle with transitioning into "real" adulthood in particular. I don't think the creators meant it that way, or really any way beyond "Hey, this is creepy. Let's make a scary series and build an awesome fort outta brix that are shat!" But you can find hidden meaning in any story. (She says, to the awestruck and flabbergasted folks at uf who'd never heard such a sentiment. Razz) That's probably doubly true for horror. Although, what I read into it probably says a lot more about me than about MH or the creators.        


Some of us are academics, y'know. :-p Honestly, what they've done here has the makings of a good academic paper in it somewhere. It'd have to go in one of the newer journals, but there's been a call for strange, underground things academically speaking. Would you mind fleshing out your idea of how this metaphor fits together though? I don't quite see it on my own.

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Oh, I definitely think it's a very well-developed story and they know what they're doing with it. I just meant I doubt this kind of subtext is intentional.  

Ok, a little breakdown. Remember, we're just playing around on a slow night. I'm no literary critic and I'm bullshitting for fun. And also I'm medicated. 
 
When all this started, Alex was a film student, yes? Pursuing an art form to make a career out of it. Let's assume that MH is his first big project--a taste of what being a director really is. Things don't go well. It's a lot harder than he thought. He starts to wonder, "Can I really do this? Can I hang in for years before I get successful? Is it even worth it? Should I pursue something safer instead?" Enter The Operator. So what is The Operator? He's a picture of what Alex is afraid of becoming if he abandons his dreams and drops his artistic pursuits in favor of security.  

The Operator:

*is a faceless, ie anonymous guy in a suit: corportate drone, his identity is erased/subsumed by the suit. The business suit *is* his identity  
*towers above everyone, but unnaturally thin: height represents 'success', he's socially and economically superior, BUT weight is satisfaction. He's spiritually (or mentally, or creatively) starved      
*cocks his head as if wondering what he's watching, while simultaneously opening his arms & entrancing: he's lost all touch with his youth and dreams, and expects it to happen to everyone. "Think you're gonna be a rock star? You'll see; you'll grow out of it and get a real job. Welcome to real life."
*looms in the background, everywhere: the thought is always there; it's a looming fear

Alex fought the fear at first. But then he saw his friends, who were just as gung-ho about film as he was, gradually fall victim to his 'monster'. Finally he gives up film, but he doesn't succumb himself--he flees. That works, but till when? Till he has a new established life... and a serious girlfriend. (She says, "I thought WE didn't have a camera?") Enter fear of adulthood again, and there goes Amy. But she's important; he doesn't want to lose her. So now Alex is trying to reconcile himself with his fear, not by succumbing, but by trying to do it on his terms. But it's not working, and he's becoming what he fears. 

As for tta/maskies.. We've seen chills, pills, and ills. We see crytic advice that doesn't make sense until it's too late. And the stalking and violence--Alex overcomes Tim, but Tim catches up anyway. Plus the sheer craziness, and another kind of lost identity. If The Operator is adulthood, the Maskies seem pretty stereotyical of old age and senility.       

I have no idea how Bruce, Jess, and Jay fit in. >.<

EDIT: "Stalking and violence" meaning you can't outrun age and your body goes to shit. Again, I'm medicated.  
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Very cool, very unique interpretation of the story. I especially liked your description of the Operator as this sort of everyman who's lost his identity in the corporate world. I'd suggest that J may just be the audience's way in to the story, but I think too much of J's character has been established for him to just be a point of view.

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And you say you're no literary critic. That is quite a grand interpretation! Why, if you were in my class, you'd get at least a B on that paper, provided you turn that into a paper. (A's are for people who get their paper to publishing levels, in my opinion.) Mind you, I haven't started teaching yet, so... I'll just have to file this all away in my notebook of lesson plans.

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(A's are for people who get their paper to publishing levels, in my opinion.)


You're going to be an intimidating teacher XD

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Aww garsh, you guys. Embarassed Thanks! Reading back over it, I hope I didn't offend by calling this kind of criticism "bullshitting." I just meant I hadn't exactly worked it all the way through. Thoughts developed and congealed as I was typing, so it wound up more fleshed out than I anticipated. I read a lot of literary horror. (I'm working toward a copyediting career and I'd love to specialize in the genre.) I like to mull this stuff over after I finish a book, but I don't often discuss it, so I don't know how it sounds to people with actual experience and education. And there's nothing wrong with intimidating teachers, IMO. Smile The few I had in audited courses taught me the most, and I enjoyed their classes quite a lot.

Now I'm thinking Jay is representative of what Alex could have been. He continued with film and is still playing the starving artist/hobo--no security, not even a place to live, but his life has a lot of excitement compared to Alex's before Amy vanished. So maybe he represents another kind of temptation for S2 Alex, pulling Alex back toward the life he once wanted. Jess is in a type of domestic situation with Jay at the hotel, looser that Alex and Amy's. But Jay keeps her at arm's length, so when she disappears Jay isn't as fazed. He basically avoided another one of Alex's 'pitfalls', and his filming stays top priority.

Now where the heck is Owlish. I want to see other interpretations, dangit!
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Re: Marble Hornets Critical Analysis--A Total Nerdout (OOG)

Yuki wrote:
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Calling all overly-analytical nerds. I've been thinking about the social and philosophical implications of the MH series, what it says about life at large. Does it make deeper statements about life as we know it, or is it strictly entertainment?

I have a lot of theories, some better than others, about what sort of statements MH could make about (OOG) life, but I'm interested in hearing yours. I'm well aware that Troy and Joseph may have not meant to make any deeper statements with their series, but I'm sort of just throwing this idea out for fun. (Or, fun as nerds like me know it.) If you have any thoughts about the MH series through the lenses of philosophy, sociology, psychology or whatever you can think of, I'd like to hear them. If you think analyzing it in this way can't or shouldn't be done, I'd like to hear about that, too.


To be honest, you could probably get a lot more out of it if you study The Blair Witch Project, since as far as I'm aware--I've not seen the film--it's similar.


I have seen the Blair Witch Project, and I don't find them to be similar outside of the obvious features of scary woods and handheld cameras. I also don't see how I could "get more" out of MH by watching a totally unrelated movie.

Anyway, my ideas about it were mainly about the concept of memory, which is a huge theme in MH. For starters, Alex's original project was a story about a guy coming home from college and realizing his hometown is not the way he remembered it. The character in Alex's project was basing the present on the past, which is what most people do. However, in "reality" Jay's (and I guess Alex's) memory is disrupted, and they have to base the past on the present.

There's also the idea of how subjective memory is. The character in the original project had this idea about his hometown and old friends based on memories which probably weren't all that accurate (we've all been there--you go someplace you remember as being awesome and you get there and you're like, "Wait, this sucks. Why did I remember this as being cool?"), and has trouble confronting reality. Jay and Alex, however, remember things as normal(ish), at least in the beginning, and then, when they watch their videos HOLY CRAP SLENDY. In Alex and Jay's case, their "memory" is the complete opposite of subjective--it's a camera, which is supposed to be totally objective. But many times even the cameras can't be trusted.

The Slenderman mythos seems involved with memory, too. He can wipe your memory, and other Slender-themed series (Everyman HYBRID, TribeTwelve) allude to the idea of someone having deep-seated memories of Slend, often from childhood, coming to haunt them in early adulthood. MH has the "enttry" video, but that seems to be the only reference to Slenderman and children, or Alex's childhood. If I'm wrong about that, tell me.

And I guess another theme is fear of the unknown. There's nothing scarier than not knowing something, and the scariest thing ever is not knowing something about yourself, like not remembering seven months of your life.

I think TTA is just a pretentious film student. Razz

Of course I'm just having fun with this. (This is my idea of fun. Yes.) I doubt that Troy and Joseph sat down and wrote a thesis before putting the MH series together.

Happy now, Tijde?

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[Spec] Amy

Hey guys, while I am new (first post), I have been lurking the forums for about a month now since I found out about slendy and marble hornets, and I don't think I've seen a discussion on this. Looking back at Entry 26, do we know that it was Alex that sent Jay the video that Amy filmed? I'm sure this video at one time was discussed and that one of you may direct me to the proper entry thread and/or the season 1 thread. However my suspicion is that since Jay went to that town to find Alex and Alex claims he wants help to find Amy, that the 56-42 tape has to do with Alex "dealing" with Amy in a way that creates a ruse for the inevitably arriving Jay? I mean, she did see slendy.

Hope to see you guys around the forums in the future Very Happy

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Re: [Spec] Amy

ieisuk wrote:
Hey guys, while I am new (first post), I have been lurking the forums for about a month now since I found out about slendy and marble hornets, and I don't think I've seen a discussion on this. Looking back at Entry 26, do we know that it was Alex that sent Jay the video that Amy filmed? I'm sure this video at one time was discussed and that one of you may direct me to the proper entry thread and/or the season 1 thread. However my suspicion is that since Jay went to that town to find Alex and Alex claims he wants help to find Amy, that the 56-42 tape has to do with Alex "dealing" with Amy in a way that creates a ruse for the inevitably arriving Jay? I mean, she did see slendy.

Hope to see you guys around the forums in the future Very Happy


Yes, Alex confirms that he sent J the tape in...Entry 36, I think.
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Re: [Spec] Amy

Yes, Owlish, yes I am. Smile Thanks for the post. I'm intrigued by the memory theme, especially in connection with the original MH project. I suspect we'll learn some key info about that project in the future, which will be interesting to watch with this analysis in mind. The memory issue and the fear of the unknown could really go hand-in-hand here. After all, if you can't trust your memory, what can you really ever know outside of the present moment? Without the proper context of memory, even the present can be bewildering. Your whole life would be a mixed-up set of snapshots, leaving you to draw whatever lines you can puzzle together to make sense of the mess. Talk about a loss of identity. (Uh oh, who does that remind you of? Crap, have I wandered into pretentious film student territory?)

ieisuk wrote:
Hey guys, while I am new (first post), I have been lurking the forums for about a month now since I found out about slendy and marble hornets, and I don't think I've seen a discussion on this. Looking back at Entry 26, do we know that it was Alex that sent Jay the video that Amy filmed? I'm sure this video at one time was discussed and that one of you may direct me to the proper entry thread and/or the season 1 thread. However my suspicion is that since Jay went to that town to find Alex and Alex claims he wants help to find Amy, that the 56-42 tape has to do with Alex "dealing" with Amy in a way that creates a ruse for the inevitably arriving Jay? I mean, she did see slendy.

Hope to see you guys around the forums in the future Very Happy


Hey, welcome! I'm a latecomer myself, so I may not be able to answer your questions too deeply. The assumption that Alex sent Jay #26 comes from Entry #36, where Jay and Alex discuss the tape. The transcript is here, at the MH wiki. The wiki's a great source for answering questions. Another is the MH Forum Index, where you can find links to each video's discussion thread here on uF. I haven't read through #26's or #36's, but I'll bet your questions have been discussed a bit there.
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Thanks for the response guys. I saw that, I just wasn't sure if I could trust him at that point, still not sure to be honest, but things definitely changed at entry 43 with his run in with the operator there. Telling Jessica that he's been in contact with Amy also didn't help matters, I'll have to do some more detective work on my own part, and hopefully use the forums for some of the fine toothed comb details.

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Wait, I may have misread your earlier post. Are you saying 56-42 may be a sort of #26b, showing Alex disposing of Amy (via killing, vanishing, or memory wiping) sometime after #26? I suppose that's possible. If that's what you meant, I don't quite follow how who sent #26 plays into the equation. A few thoughts borrowed from the #36 thread--they're all from different theories:

- Jay just assumes Alex sent #26. We don't know for sure, thanks to strategically placed distortion
- If Alex didn't send it, whoever did (presumably Masky or tta, if they're separate entities) must have taken it from him soon after it happened. That would mean Masky or tta knew where Alex was all along.
--That doesn't make sense if you believe Alex's comments in the parking lot fight--#47, I think? Alex says he wasn't harassed by masked people till Jay showed up. If someone stole #26 to send to Jay, Alex was lying.
--Makes sense if you think the camera/tape was planted in Alex's closet.
--Doesn't make sense if you think Alex lured Masky to his new location via Jay (Masky following Jay to Alex; Alex sending Jay the address, then staking out the #34/#35 house, specifically to ambush Masky)
- If tta sent #26, why not just post it and get Jay the address? And how would Alex know where to find Jay at the #34/#35 house if he hadn't delivered the address?
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