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RandomGuy26
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I may as well jump in for support. While this is redundant by now, yes, the main thread for EMH is huge to the point where there are more EMH-related posts than posts in all of the other threads combined.
I had always thought of creating tagged threads as a last resort. An ungodly amount of discussion can result over the smallest thing. It really would drown out all of the small side-stories, which aren't getting much attention as is.

The rate of conversation is unlike anything I've seen before. Over 500 pages were created on the main thread in less than one month. (pages 380-946 in November. Roughly 566 full pages. 8507 posts.)

I respect your opinions and we can just make subject-threads if it comes to that, but do feel that it would unnecessarily clutter the forum.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:27 pm
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Glomple
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I agree. It's getting pretty impossible to get any discussion done on the non-EMH threads because those threads are always being bumped to the top.

Also, it gets ridiculous finding any info for EMH, seeing as the main topic gets ~5-7 new pages a day.

Finally, if EMH was to be split into various topics, it would swamp the entire board. EMH has 3 Twitters, a blog, and 2 Youtube accounts that I know of. If there were to be new threads for everything, there would have to be new threads on one of the Youtube channels favoriting a video or changing the background, because those often provide clues.

tl;dr EMH is already swamping the Slender Man Mythos board, your counter-proposal to keep it on the board would probably swamp it more. D:
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:42 pm
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awakeasaurusrex
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Pixiestix wrote:
I'm going to back up ndemeter, fwiw. By making headers/subjects [EMH PHONECALL 12/14] or [EMH EMAIL 12/17] or [EMH {website name} UPDATE 12/25] it will REALLY help you keep track of stuff and not get lost. Creating a subforum won't make enough of a difference in the reasons you have asked for one.

The problem is that if we did that for EMH right now, it'd dominate the Slender Man Mythos subforum - few of the other ARGs discussed there could support that number of threads. People have tried to keep it just to one thread specifically out of courtesy towards other ARGs whose players use the same subforum.

I think it is intensely counterproductive of the mods to ask us to solve a problem (the EMH threads becoming hard to follow) by CREATING AN EVEN WORSE PROBLEM (EMH threads overrunning Slender Man Mythos and obscuring discussion of other games), so I maintain a subforum is the only fair solution. Then we can create all those threads without worrying about disrupting the discussion of other games.

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SolDL wrote:
Yeah, look; I was originally against splitting the main EMH topic at all, but we're getting to the stage that you would be hard-pressed to find the EMH board not at the top of the topic list. Conversation has been going at an astronomical rate, and even now, with 4 separate topics on the series, each of them (including the one that is for news updates ONLY, without any discussion) have grown bigger than most boards devoted to entire Slenderstories. The Unfiction board is no longer conducive to finding them in the slightest, despite organizational methods that people have volunteered to creating.

A couple of facts:

- If all four EMH related topics were split away from the Slender Man Mythos board, there would be a bit over 13000 posts remaining in the board. The main EMH topic has over 16000 in it.
- The Tribe Twelve topic, the biggest non-EMH topic, at the time of this posting, has 1446 posts since June 9th. The EMH Tournament thread has had 1317 since NOVEMBER 25th.
- The Marble Hornets subforum has had posts dating back to at the very least, this time, August '09. The EMH main topic has been going since May 16, '10. The entire subforum of Marble Hornets has aproximately 7000 posts more than the EMH main topic, and it has been going for almost a year longer (Hiatus not taken into account, of course.)

I can appreciate your judgement on this issue, but I'd like to let the numbers speak for themselves.


I agree with MetaMike to not do this and also think this is a dumb suggestion. The reason that there are so many EMH threads is due to users making too many unnecessary threads. I mean "EverymanHybrid: Off-topic Thread"? How the hell is that exactly an OT thread if it's labeled "EMH"? It's an Oxymoron. Most of the talk in every single EMH titled thread is OT and can be condensed in a much easier and more lucid fashion, if only the users practiced smart thread making.

I say, in lieu of giving EMH a subforum, remove unnecessary threads from the Slender Man Mythos forum that take up room and confuse everyone.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:03 pm
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Trygon
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I am supporting this notion. EMH is bigger and has more stuff going on then Marble Hornets. And if Marble Hornets has its own board, surely EMH more then deserves to be given one.

Splitting discussions up as per month or entry (or whatever) would only make things worse for the Slender Board, as it would drown all the other threads.


However, is it possible to make these Slender ARGs with their own boards sub boards of the Slender board? It would mean all Slender RPing is in the same place, but also mean that EMH wouldn't be flooding the main board.
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How about (to save room and prevent clutter, of course) we move the marble hornets subforum into the slender man mythos subforum? Clearly it's part of the SMM, and all that the readers would have to do is put some sort of tag on the threads such as [MH 12/13/10 UPDATE] to avoid confusion. It's got (as shown earlier in this thread) roughly the same amount of posts going on in it as EMH does, so why not just lump it into the SMM subforum?

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SolDL
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Norrior wrote:
SolDL wrote:
Yeah, look; I was originally against splitting the main EMH topic at all, but we're getting to the stage that you would be hard-pressed to find the EMH board not at the top of the topic list. Conversation has been going at an astronomical rate, and even now, with 4 separate topics on the series, each of them (including the one that is for news updates ONLY, without any discussion) have grown bigger than most boards devoted to entire Slenderstories. The Unfiction board is no longer conducive to finding them in the slightest, despite organizational methods that people have volunteered to creating.

A couple of facts:

- If all four EMH related topics were split away from the Slender Man Mythos board, there would be a bit over 13000 posts remaining in the board. The main EMH topic has over 16000 in it.
- The Tribe Twelve topic, the biggest non-EMH topic, at the time of this posting, has 1446 posts since June 9th. The EMH Tournament thread has had 1317 since NOVEMBER 25th.
- The Marble Hornets subforum has had posts dating back to at the very least, this time, August '09. The EMH main topic has been going since May 16, '10. The entire subforum of Marble Hornets has aproximately 7000 posts more than the EMH main topic, and it has been going for almost a year longer (Hiatus not taken into account, of course.)

I can appreciate your judgement on this issue, but I'd like to let the numbers speak for themselves.


I agree with MetaMike to not do this and also think this is a dumb suggestion. The reason that there are so many EMH threads is due to users making too many unnecessary threads. I mean "EverymanHybrid: Off-topic Thread"? How the hell is that exactly an OT thread if it's labeled "EMH"? It's an Oxymoron. Most of the talk in every single EMH titled thread is OT and can be condensed in a much easier and more lucid fashion, if only the users practiced smart thread making.

I say, in lieu of giving EMH a subforum, remove unnecessary threads from the Slender Man Mythos forum that take up room and confuse everyone.

You do make a good point: The EMH off-topic thread is indeed, an oxymoron. Personally, I didn't agree with it being made. However, it was made in an attempt to stop the EMH board being any more cluttered than it is at the moment, which is admirable. I do, however, think you don't quite have a grasp on the issue here. There is the issue of the Slender Man Mythos board, certainly: Which could quite possibly be solved if there was only one EMH thread. Then again, there are only 4, that's not quite an unreasonable number for such a wide spanning story. I wouldn't say they confuse people, either; they are very clearly marked.

But there is also the issue of the EMH thread itself. A personal anecdote here: I left for 10 days to go up the coast, and when I came back, I was entirely incapable of backtracking and seeing what I had missed. The thread simply moves too fast to be an effective resource for this particular ARG.

If we were to practice 'smart thread-making', according to the model proposed by ndemeter, and if we were to substitute in the same amount of discussion produced in this thread currently, there would, at the very least:

- be a thread for each EMH video ,
- for each WickedStickyAlex update ,
- for the Can You See The Words blog ,
- a topic for twitter posts by EverymanHYBRID, Youseethewords, and SEVENTRIALS ,
- a topic for the tournament (possibly needing to be split into three or more topics, for Angora, English Lop and Netherland Dwarf groups),
- not to mention the topics created for the geocached boxes ,
- the letters sent to particular ARGers,
- and the Ustreams held every so often.
- And this is completely ignoring the human element; the theorizing,
- the discussion not particularly related to any update but to the series as a collective,
- and the inevitable off-topic conversations which transpire between people who work together on a common goal.

If this is the end result of the proposed threadmaking scheme, I do personally feel that the creation of an EverymanHybrid sub-forum would be very reasonable.

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Romulus
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Bear in mind that there is a season 1 AND season 2 off topic thread in the marble hornets subforum, and no one seemed to think they were unnecessary.

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SolDL
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Well; the three Tournament groups were required to be created, bringing our total of EMH topics up to 7.

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chizuru
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SolDL wrote:
Well; the three Tournament groups were required to be created, bringing our total of EMH topics up to 7.

And those threads are growing fast, they're at least 7 pages each. There are at least 105 posts for each thread.
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awakeasaurusrex
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I'm wondering whether there might be a problem here with the fact that neither of the mods for the Slender Man Mythos subforum actually seems to participate in EMH.

I don't think anyone who has actively taken part in EMH could deny that the main thread has become impossibly unwieldy to navigate, or that if we took the advice given and made individual threads for each new release of EMH content the Slender Man Mythos subforum would be overwhelmed. But neither ndemeter nor DavFlamerock seems to have made any recent posts on EMH - they're not in the game. So they probably don't realise what seems completely obvious to us.

Yet the mods appear to consider the matter resolved, because they haven't responded to any of the points we've raised since their last statements on this issue. Sad

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chizuru
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I think that if we did what they suggested, the forum would be flooded, then them might realize what we mean, but I'd feel terrible flooding the SMM subforum with nothing but EMH threads... But that may be the only way that we can get the mods' attention which would suck.
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Intentionally flooding a forum to prove a point is quite a horrible way of getting our attention.

Since I do read all the posts and arguments for and against a move there is no reason to suspect that we lean any certain way towards a request. Quite simply, there's no easy solution for a variety of quite boring reasons that have nothing to do with the moderators participating in a game (Lord knows if I was participating in every ARG in N&R I would go insane Smile). Thus every move must be planned and not done in a vacuum.
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awakeasaurusrex
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ndemeter wrote:
Intentionally flooding a forum to prove a point is quite a horrible way of getting our attention.

Since I do read all the posts and arguments for and against a move there is no reason to suspect that we lean any certain way towards a request. Quite simply, there's no easy solution for a variety of quite boring reasons that have nothing to do with the moderators participating in a game (Lord knows if I was participating in every ARG in N&R I would go insane Smile). Thus every move must be planned and not done in a vacuum.
Mind sharing some of those reasons with us? It might help make sure cooler, non-floody heads prevail. Wink

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I too believe that any story with quite so many active participants [I.E., hundreds of users in-game, a cast larger than MH's, and one with so many entries and separate media to cover], should certainly have its own board. It only makes sense.
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