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Kandiman
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 		[trailhead] Plato's Cave
Looked around, couldn't find a proper thread, only mentions in the trailhead thread.

A Dr. Schreber has been following several of us on Facebook, he also added me on Skype and I'm chatting to him as I type this. He has a blog at Wikispaces, which seems to be the place to start.

http://platoscave.wikispaces.com/

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Kandiman
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 		Skype Chat: (I omitted some irrelevant info)

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[4:36:07 PM] Kriss: Dr. Schreber, I presume?
[4:37:58 PM] Daniel Schreber: yes, i was away from my desk.
[4:38:31 PM | Edited 4:38:50 PM] Kriss: No problem. I've been reading your blog on Wikispaces
[4:39:15 PM] Daniel Schreber: I keep meaning to keep that up to date...
[4:39:43 PM] Kriss: I can imagine. Interesting experiment
[4:41:34 PM] Daniel Schreber: do you really think so? I'm too close to the subject matter to be objective!
[4:42:14 PM] Kriss: I do, the saline/glucose soluton seems a little bitter-sweet, no?
[4:45:30 PM] Daniel Schreber: think of glucose as food for cells, and salt water as a part of all living things. I'll share something with you, I will soon have human trials.
[4:45:59 PM] Kriss: I understand the science behind it, to an extent - I was making a poor joke, sorry!
[4:46:20 PM] Kriss: And human trials - interesting! From where do you intend on sourcing subjects?
[4:47:55 PM] Daniel Schreber: This interesting man, with a cadaverous face and a long black coat came to my office and promised me that he could get me subjects...
[4:48:16 PM | Edited 4:48:22 PM] Kriss: A cadaverous face? Sounds slightly terrifying
[4:49:14 PM] Daniel Schreber: now that I think of it...it was too propitious at that. I'm not terrified by anything that God made.
[4:50:47 PM] Daniel Schreber: Hmmm. I have to think twice about his offer, or even thrice!
[4:51:15 PM] Kriss: Well, it sounds like a promising proposition, although obviously you'd be heading into the shadows of accepted scientific practice. Though, as my grandad used to say, rules are made to be broken
[4:52:54 PM] Kriss: May I ask what the end-game is? I mean, I appreciate that you've managed to significantly enhance the cognitive processing speed for these lab mice, but what's the benefit of this in humans? Faster reactions? Better reasoning?
[4:53:52 PM] Daniel Schreber: I don't know, the more I think about it, it's too good to be true. I'll question him about that when he next appears.
[4:55:34 PM] Daniel Schreber: if someone could, say, plant a memory of practicing tennis over and over you'd be great at tennis! That's the theory at least.
[4:56:33 PM] Kriss: Ah, I understand now, so it's essentially a memory serum, allows the implantation of the memories of others into a host?
[4:58:29 PM] Daniel Schreber: That's the theory behind it - there's a long road ahead and patient experimentation. I need for someone else to duplicate my results first.
[4:58:36 PM] Daniel Schreber: with mice.
[4:59:00 PM] Kriss: I mean, the potential uses for such science are wide and varied, which does beg a question that I'm sorry to have to ask...
[5:02:57 PM] Kriss: My apologies, I lost my internet connection for a second there
[5:05:26 PM] Daniel Schreber: what were you saying, "I just have to ask..."?
[5:06:51 PM] Kriss: Sorry, yes. With the potential uses for this method - as you say, you could implant memories of tennis practice and create a great tennis player - potentially the value of this research escalates, as you could implant the memories of a soldier or a spy, for example
[5:08:04 PM] Kriss: So I have to ask - what are your intentions with the research? Are they entirely honourable?
[5:08:21 PM] Daniel Schreber: or, by extension a murderer, you mean?
[5:09:40 PM] Kriss: Well, by extension, yes. Or any number of possibilities. I just mean to say that with the military implications, the monetary value of the work becomes incalculable. Whether used by the military or an insurgent force. The creation of a murderer almost becomes small potatoes in the grander scheme
[5:10:37 PM | Edited 5:11:20 PM] Kriss: So that's essentially what I was wondering - what drives your research? I mean, Edison invented the lightbulb because he wanted to see in the dark. Einstein the A-Bomb because the allies wanted to wipe Japan off of the map...
[5:10:44 PM] Daniel Schreber: I must confess that I hadn't thought of the military implications.
[5:13:12 PM] Kriss: Indeed. I mean, that's not necessarily a negative. You say in your notes that the gestation period of the serum is 24 hours?
[5:13:33 PM] Daniel Schreber: my research is funded primarily by the AAP.
[5:13:51 PM] Kriss: AAP?
[5:14:44 PM] Daniel Schreber: American Assoc. of Psychiatry - where I am currently employed.
[5:15:12 PM] Kriss: Ah, okay. My apologies, I'm in the UK, so I'm not au fait with you guys' standard acronyms
[5:16:01 PM] Daniel Schreber: Oh, my goodness! I'm late for a meeting that was supposed to be at 5pm (EST).
[5:16:32 PM] Kriss: Oh, gosh! Okay, I guess I should let you run!
[5:16:34 PM] Daniel Schreber: :S GTG
[5:16:49 PM] Kriss: Well, it's been an honour and a pleasure to speak with you
[5:19:06 PM] Daniel Schreber: [Emma] Dr. Schreber encourages lay people to have an active role in his experiments.
[5:19:13 PM] Daniel Schreber: I
[5:19:47 PM] Daniel Schreber: am his assistant do you need a copy of this discussion?
[5:20:13 PM] Kriss: That would be amazing if you could send me one!
[5:20:43 PM] Kriss: Also, I have a few more questions; I assume I'm fine to ask Dr. Schreber when next he's online?
[22:21:03] Daniel Schreber: Kriss, what's your email address?
[22:21:26] Kriss: it's [omitted]
[22:23:41] Kriss: Just received it. Many thanks!
[22:25:36] Daniel Schreber: You're welcome. If you have a question, email it to him, I go thru all his email. Thank you.
[22:25:43] Daniel Schreber: ttfn
[22:26:01] Kriss: Excellent, thank you. Have a great night!
[22:26:08] Daniel Schreber: u2


For those wondering, no new info in the e-mail, literally just a transcript of the convo. Dr. Schreber's e-mail is dan.schreberSPLATgmail.com

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 		It seems not much might happen till September 6, 2010.

Dr. Schreber wrote:

* I have made my first speaking engagement to discuss these results with other scientists, it will be on September 6, 2010.


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 		Hi, hope you don't mind me dropping in, been a while since I've participated in one of these but this has piqued my interest somewhat.

Firstly, for reference, some information on what Plato's Cave means;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave

This line got my attention;

"..This relates to the idea of forms as people struggle to see the reality beyond illusion.."

Which, when I got to the names of the strangers who had visited him and the name of the Dr himself, reminded me of one of my favourite films..

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_City_%281998_film%29


And they are spot on.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
So I think what we are looking at, is an unofficial set of events before the film, a prequel of sorts, showing how the Dr got involved with the mysterious strangers originally.


Have spoiler-ed the above so people who don't want a heads-up can follow this naturally without knowledge of future events.
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Kandiman
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 		That's one of my favourite films, too! I completely missed that!

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 		I always sort of wished that the film had left the end a little more open to a sequel. This should make up for that.

Can't wait to see where this goes.
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Kandiman
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 		Just got an e-mail from Emma. Text of the email is as follows:

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Jeff -

I am worried that the strange people visiting the doctor are connected with this article. I don't want to alarm him and I don't want to leave his employ. He seems to value your opinion, can you warn him about these strangers?

I managed to take a picture (attached) of Mr. Hand from my cell phone.

-- Emma


There are two attachments that I can't open until I reboot my laptop, because it's a dilapidated POS. Will upload both when I have though. I may need to talk to the doctor again.

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Kandiman wrote:
Just got an e-mail from Emma. Text of the email is as follows:

Quote:
Jeff -

I am worried that the strange people visiting the doctor are connected with this article. I don't want to alarm him and I don't want to leave his employ. He seems to value your opinion, can you warn him about these strangers?

I managed to take a picture (attached) of Mr. Hand from my cell phone.

-- Emma


There are two attachments that I can't open until I reboot my laptop, because it's a dilapidated POS. Will upload both when I have though. I may need to talk to the doctor again.


Well Mr. Hand is one of the Strangers from the movie so I think that's pretty much confirming this to be a Dark City prequel game.

I may have to go rent the movie ^_^

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 		Yeah. Still can't upload the picture, annoyingly, but I got the word document open. Text as follows:

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Article from "The New York Times"
August 25, 2010

Mystery Surrounds Sudden Disappearances

API – Several people have disappeared without a trace over the past few days. Interpol is investigating claims that these people are often visited by pale figures dressed all in black and wearing sunglasses.

"This is a classic case of mass hysteria," said detective Eddie Walenski, "However we will investigate these occurrences for signs of commonality."

An anonymous source close to the investigation had this to say about the disappearances, "Interpol and local authorities are stumped it's as if they disappeared from the earth. People are disappearing from all walks of life, a plumber in America, a farmer in Russia. In addition, there's more people disappearing than the authorities are saying, I guess they don't want to start a world-wide panic."

Investigators across the globe are teaming up to compare notes in unprecedented numbers to combat this new threat. However, they are being pulled away from regular duties fighting terrorism. Unless some clue is found, they could be put back on terrorism duty.







Those spaces at the end were in the word doc, but I'm not convinced they're significant.

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 		Sometimes there is hidden data in a file like that when you see additional spaces. If you can upload the original files please do so that we can all attack the files for hidden info ^_^

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kolixela wrote:
Sometimes there is hidden data in a file like that when you see additional spaces. If you can upload the original files please do so that we can all attack the files for hidden info ^_^


Drop me an e-mail addy and I'll forward it, I can't upload...

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 		Did any of U sign up for Dr. Schreber's Mailing List?

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 		I did, nothing came through yet.

Incidentally, Doc. Schreber's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#!/daniel.schreber?ref=ts

Will do the Twitterhunt in a sec.

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 		OK. There's about 5 people signed up.

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 		Just letting you guys know I am also on board for all of this. A for it being part of Dark City, I would withould judgement, as for some of the friends of the good Dr were also Part of the Murcheson Expedition. But i am here with eyes and ears open. been away too long again

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