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DeadbyDawn
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Well, since I'm MUCH MORE adept with visual clues, I've been playing with the "Eye" video.

I believe that the image remaining after the eye blinks is nothing more than "artifacting" due to being shot on video. Here are 3 frames from the blink:

Frame 1
Frame 2
Frame 3

I don't see anything unusual, but there they are if anyone wants to look.

Also, I color balanced the Eye from the video to take a look at the reflection. I don't see anything unusual about it, but here it is if anyone would like to see for themselves.

Eye color balanced
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:27 pm
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Reiveth wrote:
I have a feeling that the hex code for that binary file is a cipher, and not the text data.

I also have a feeling that "ykMVZAnB" is the key to that cipher, weather on it's own or modified somehow.

Although my hex editor defaults to 16 bytes per row, I noticed that if you change it to 10 bytes per row that there also ends up being only 10 rows in the configuration, making a square block of code:
Code:
F7 77 5D 2B 3F 2A A4 02 8F ED
4B 60 5A C7 AA DB C7 D8 2E 25
0B A7 90 37 98 7A 1E 6F C2 BD
02 3B 4C ED 29 15 6F 29 09 F7
A2 92 40 2B 46 88 AE CB 9B 10
E6 8B 16 7C 17 7A C6 3D 9E 21
C1 CB E4 DD E5 67 CA 43 15 64
09 C1 52 93 69 D9 64 BA E7 DE
B1 52 39 33 85 75 F9 7D F7 4C
54 67 E7 F4 47 47


Which to me looks like the perfect configuration for a cipher, but I don't know enough about them to do anything more from here.


And here is the list as presented on the Youtube site as ASCII to HEX:

Code:
93ddKz8q = 39 33 64 64 4B 7A 38 71
pAKP7Utg = 70 41 4B 50 37 55 74 67
Wseq28fY = 57 73 65 71 32 38 66 59
LiULp5A3 = 4C 69 55 4C 70 35 41 33
mHoeb8K9 = 6D 48 6F 65 62 38 4B 39
AjtM7SkV = 41 6A 74 4D 37 53 6B 56
bykJ96KS = 62 79 6B 4A 39 36 4B 53
QCtGiK7L = 51 43 74 47 69 4B 37 4C
mxDmixZ8 = 6D 78 44 6D 69 78 5A 38
F3rGPZ4h = 46 33 72 47 50 5A 34 68
wcvk3eVn = 77 63 76 6B 33 65 56 6E
ykMVZAnB = 79 6B 4D 56 5A 41 6E 42
UpNp2WS6 = 55 70 4E 70 32 57 53 36
596xUjkz = 35 39 36 78 55 6A 6B 7A
hXX5ffdM = 68 58 58 35 66 66 64 4D
VGfn9EdH = 56 47 66 6E 39 45 64 48
[/code]

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Reiveth
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I don't think there's anything special about getting a binary file now, it seems that the binary file's text is the same as you'd get from a base 64 converter anyhow, the program is just nice enough to give it to you in file form.

Going to start looking for other possible info out of the original video title/description codes.

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Reiveth wrote:
I don't think there's anything special about getting a binary file now, it seems that the binary file's text is the same as you'd get from a base 64 converter anyhow, the program is just nice enough to give it to you in file form.

Going to start looking for other possible info out of the original video title/description codes.


aye, maybe we should put some more effort into the greek angle and see what they have in common or if they've come up lately.
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Well, both were presocratic, Anaximander was writing before the Athenian golden age and talked about 'the boundless'. Empedocles was writing right in the middle of the golden age and talked about an eternal cycle of growth and change. He also came up with the 4 elements idea. Not sure if any of this is relevant to a 2 dimensional hand...
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I considered the pre-socratic idea, but from a different (and I'm sure useless) angle. The poster of the eye video was anximander10, which drops a letter from Anaximander. As previously mentioned, this may hint that 10 is important.

The two video posters' names makes me think of the relationship Anaximander -> 10 -> Empedocles. Checking out the pre-socratic graph at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratic_philosophy, there is a relationship between these two philosophers that has a ten-letter philosopher between the two --- Pythagoras. I don't know how Pythagoras would fit into the scheme of things (or if that chart is even reliable), which is why I haven't posted until now.

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Molnar wrote:
I considered the pre-socratic idea, but from a different (and I'm sure useless) angle. The poster of the eye video was anximander10, which drops a letter from Anaximander. As previously mentioned, this may hint that 10 is important.

The two video posters' names makes me think of the relationship Anaximander -> 10 -> Empedocles. Checking out the pre-socratic graph at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratic_philosophy, there is a relationship between these two philosophers that has a ten-letter philosopher between the two --- Pythagoras. I don't know how Pythagoras would fit into the scheme of things (or if that chart is even reliable), which is why I haven't posted until now.

Think Antarctica fits somehow? (both youtube channels have that as the location, it's also 10 letters)

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Well, while looking into the connection between Emepedocles, Anaximander, and Pythagoras I ran across this:

Quote:
Therefore, the tetrad, four, represents completion. Everything in the universe, both natural and numerical, is completed in the progression from one to four as 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10, which brings us to the decad, also known to the Pythagoreans as the tetraktys, and representing their most sacred symbol. The same sequence, from unity to multiplicity via duality and trinity, is expressed even more graphically in the simplest and most basic musical relationships, those expressed through the numbers 1,2,3,4. The simplest and most fundamental musical relationship is the octave


This may be an explanation for the number 10 so far, and also may be a clue to the cipher since it's separated in groups of 8. I'm still digging, but I wanted to post this in case it helped someone else out that's on the same line of thinking.
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reflection looks like a window with bars? could be a prison, or just safety bars

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cyng wrote:
reflection looks like a window with bars? could be a prison, or just safety bars


i thought it looked more like it as recorded at a desktop with a big window behind it.
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cyng
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hmmm, could be @crazy-jake

and what's with all the haters on the original video? the acting isn't that bad...and I think the whole 2-d hand was done well and is intriguing

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that code is driving me insane...
however I can confirm that the numbers in the EYE video are indeed pi

EDIT: I can make out the numbers in bold from about 4 seconds in
3.1415926535 8979323846 26433
the voice seems to be saying some before then so I'm presuming it's just the first 4 digits

EDIT: Not sure how helpful this is but, messing about rearranging that BASE64 seeing if it makes any difference I noticed one line is the same as the video title?

ykMVZAnB

93ddKz8q
pAKP7Utg
Wseq28fY
LiULp5A3
mHoeb8K9
AjtM7SkV
bykJ96KS
QCtGiK7L
mxDmixZ8
F3rGPZ4h
wcvk3eVn
ykMVZAnB
UpNp2WS6
596xUjkz
hXX5ffdM
VGfn9EdH

EDIT: also i forgot to say hi, hi Smile

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Can someone codey please work out what to do with the Base64?
I really like the trail head I want to see where it goes!! Sad

EDIT/UPDATE: messaged the youtube accounts also...
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I went at that code pretty hard from the Base64 standpoint and I couldn't get anything sensible out of it. Tried it forward, backward, making a 10x10 grid with and without the first line, rotating it through all 64 positions, doing it 64-n, *encoding* it, etc., etc. Nothing. I also looked up other related codes, but the thing is it has to be a code that uses A-Z, a-z and 0-9 and nothing else, and that really points at Base64, not to mention the use of octuplets. I'm thinking that either a) the resulting binary data has some meaning (but see below) or b) there is some sort of code/key that needs to be combined with this data to unlock it, like an XOR mask or something.

I agree with those that posted that, because the yk octuplet is repeated, it's likely that groups of 8 characters have meaning. That tends to point against any pictographic representation or binary data and towards a basic alphanumeric code using groups of 8 letters which map to some set of characters, either a single word or a fixed number of characters. Again, all roads point to Base64, it just doesn't work.

Looking at those 8 characters, I can see that the translation into Base64 puts it outside the range of alphanumeric characters, and there's no easy (linear or simple modular) transformation that will make it work. That's why I almost think it has to be some other piece of data combined with it.

Either that, or I made a mistake. Hopefully someone else is also doing this work and double-checking.

This is an interesting story, I hope we can get the code. We may need a hint.

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i dont know much about cryptography, but you said you might need a key phrase to decode what you have. the second video contains a section of Pi. might that be converted to Base64 or something and used as the key?
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