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[PUZZLE] Random's paintover posts
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SquareKnight
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[PUZZLE] Random's paintover posts

It's clear that the PMs hate us.

Because this time Random's poetry makes sense. Certainly the first one:

Quote:
There was a young fool from Rome
Who wanted to surmise all alone.
He circled his map,
Almost fell into the trap,
And Random had to come take him home.
Posted by random at 01:57 AM


Here's how I read it:
"There was a young fool from Rome"

Caesar, obviously....

"Who wanted to surmise all alone."

This, I would guess, either refers to the secrecy Caesar had maintained while everyone was working together or his actions after the group

"He circled his map"

Went over all the data he had?

"Almost fell into the trap"

Either overconfidence or what Caesar refers to almost falling for in the NOT files: letting everything fall apart because the other people walked out on him.

"And Random had to come take him home"

On the second possible meaning for the previous line, it was probably at Random's urging that they went out to investigate, and so it was Random who "brought him home" back to the net.


Now, the second one is the one that drives me nuts.

Quote:
we are
mysterious.
caesar and Random conquer all rains amongst some terminal wing.

scratch counterspeaks:
in the tango years
they
concretely mirror it
and
all hemispheres
assassinate.
they shall not
prove.

ding ding, your pudding is here, scratch.


Very little of it makes sense.

"we are
mysterious.
caesar and Random conquer all rains amongst some terminal wing."

Presumably refering to their earliest hacking efforts?

"scratch counterspeaks:
in the tango years
they
concretely mirror it
and
all hemispheres
assassinate.
they shall not
prove."

....No clue about the Tango years

"concretely mirror"

Either just copy something and put it down in solid form, or they /fail/ to reflect something (because concrete sucks as a mirror)

"and all hemispheres assassinate"

...still no clue.

But it's the last few lines that make me think I'm missing something, because they make sense and they're actually moderately clever.

"they shall not
prove.

ding ding, your pudding is here, scratch."

Scratch denies that they will prove their claims, and Random says that they just have. The "pudding" refers to the phrase "the proof is in the pudding".

----------------------

So I haven't really found anything particularly meaningful, but I wanted to draw attention to these posts, because it seems Random was being relevant, for once.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:48 pm
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maybe

Maybe a comment on Caesar's oct 1st picture and our ability not to figure it out.
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To me this

Quote:
There was a young fool from Rome
Who wanted to surmise all alone.
He circled his map,
Almost fell into the trap,
And Random had to come take him home.


is just relating to the fact that Caesar and Random went to the site of an anomaly. Caesar took scanty evidence and figured out where the next anomaly would take place. It seems Random had to come to his rescue.
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<Far Fetched>

What if Random is Beth's mystery man? He can't verbally communicate and when he tries to communicate with everyone else it comes out very garbled. Beth's mystery man/program obviously has some corruption in his programming which could explain the odd way Random communicates.

</Far Fetched>

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Re: [PUZZLE] Random's paintover posts

Quote:
scratch counterspeaks:
in the tango years
they
concretely mirror it
and
all hemispheres
assassinate.
they shall not
prove.


I wonder if Scratch just really likes his Thesaurus. You can come up with some pretty strange sentences if you just use different words.

"in the tango years they concretely mirror it and all hemispheres assasinate."

can be turned into:

"in the 20s they exactly copy it and all sections execute"

Not that that is any less cryptic Very Happy But it's something to consider...

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You know what... has anyone ever tried doing just that on any of Randoms' other writings? I might have time to have a crack at it over the weekend here, but if we play around with our thesauruses a bit (get those minds out of the gutter... I know what you're thinking...) we might just start to make a bit of sense of the Random...

Yes/No?
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StreetPreacher wrote:
<Far Fetched>

What if Random is Beth's mystery man? He can't verbally communicate and when he tries to communicate with everyone else it comes out very garbled. Beth's mystery man/program obviously has some corruption in his programming which could explain the odd way Random communicates.

</Far Fetched>


uhhmm...nawww

maybe his hacker name is random, coz thats the sorta guy he is...random.

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Yet still respected in the hacker community, oddly enough. The NOT files suggest that Random is considered trustworthy.

Which leads me to believe that he's only random some of the time. Especially since his paintover posts weren't random.

Maybe he's a little less...frustrating in one-on-one interactions? Otherwise, I don't think the "Ah, just shut up already, Random! Wink" of BIGMCLARGEHUGE would've been so cordial.

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Azathoth666
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Y'know what? I think I really dig Random now: I like his style. Assuming he's a he.

The lines I'm thinking along now are our hackers are all sort of misfits: Caesar has seizures, he talks bout some kid on Ritalin (for ADHD) in the NOT files... perhpas Random has some variation on dyslexia, or a form of autism or some other condition which has an impact on the way he communicates?

It's a bit campy and a bit cliched I know, but it kinda fits.
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It also fits in with the storyline as in they might be more perceptive to anomalies around them. A bunch of hypersensitive kids like those kids in 'the Beyond' episode of animatrix
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oooh, nice link tobester!

I'd forgotten about that! Embarassed
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Azathoth666 wrote:
You know what... has anyone ever tried doing just that on any of Randoms' other writings?
Yeah, 'till it hurt. Confused

I wondered about the unusual position of the line breaks, kinda familiar.

A bit like the ones in [PUZZLE?] Wongmo and cascadevortex line wrapping oddity


Another idea;
If you took a passage of text, started a certain distance in on each line and copied from there to the end of the line you'd get a similar effect.

ie. can we insert some text at the start of each line to make it work better.

Anything than try and decode more of Random's gibberish Laughing

EDIT: When working the thesaurus angle, wouldn't "All Hemispheres" equate to "Sphere" or "Global"?
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The limerick was partially taken from here, which is also where Random got two previous poems. He obviously changed this one, though. I went through the code (luckily, it's simple enough for me to understand) and picked out the bits that were generated by the script...

There was a young fool from Rome
Who wanted to surmise all alone.
He circled his map,
Almost fell into the trap,
And Random had to come take him home.


The bold words are the ones that can't have been made by the generator, and that Random had to have changed.

However, I have searched all over and can't seem to find anything that produces a poem similar to the "we are mysterious" one. I may have missed it, but I think that at this point I've looked through most of the poetry generators that have found their way onto google. If anyone wants a poetry generator link, I'm the one to call. Very Happy

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Omnie wrote:

There was a young fool from Rome
Who wanted to surmise all alone.
He circled his map,
Almost fell into the trap,
And Random had to come take him home.


I think this one is not worth investigating too closely.

For one, I think it is the one time that Random isn't being Random. It is very clear what it says.

Basically, it says:

Caesar wanted to think about all this whomp stuff by himself.
So he figured out where the next event would be and went there alone.
Almost got in trouble at the event (or got freaked out).
And Random had to come and help him out.

However, I do think we're on to something with the random poem generators. Finding the differences might actually clue us into his side of the conversation.

trip

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trip wrote:
I think this one is not worth investigating too closely.


Oh, but I was having so much fun with it! Mr. Green Anyway, everything's worth investigating too closely. Wink

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