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[Video Side Story] Dark Harvest
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zbeeblebrox
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This brings up some difficult questions though, like what was Matt doing taking them in in the first place?
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He clearly wasn't planning to turn them in to the Order or he would have. And the Order didn't know about his new roommates, otherwise they would've acted on that info regardless of Matt's feelings on the matter. But at the same time, Matt wasn't making a move to get them to help him escape the Order either. Did he really think their situation could become the status quo?? "Oh yeah, live here indefinitely, that's totally not completely infeasible for multiple reasons, half of which I haven't told you about!"

It seems to me like helping them was part of a half-baked plan he didn't have the courage to execute. I mean, I know telling them the truth would've ruined their friendship, but look what happened instead! It's really unfortunate, and I think his plight was tragic...but he had opportunities to come clean. Worst case, he gets his ass kicked and never hears from them again. But even for a small chance of escaping that should have been worth it...


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Rend
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I always mean just to lurk but something about DH always just engages me so much.

DH is kind of a great deconstruction of an action genre

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I mean any movie where the protagonist family member/girlfriend is kill and the mow through faceless mooks galore and you wan them to win. Here the boy's close friend, and both of their family have been murdered, and both have gotten sick or injured themselves. As a result they are all on the run, with no permanent address or identities.

And yet executing the cultist in the woods is and incredible raw, dirty moment, which no one can really feel good about.

On the other hand it is nice to see slender protagonist be this active. Also the acting is top as usual. Chris's breakdown at the end was a great touch


I would like to see some personal logs after this. Just have some short updates in the next few weeks will would great. Alex seems like he is in survivor mode now, but I would like to see where this turn of events brings Chris mentally.

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Prottimus
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Holy Shit
I won't lie I felt really bad there at the end. Not really much to discus but it was definitely a hell of an entry.

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awakeasaurusrex
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HOLY SHIT.

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With respect to what Matt was doing: remember, most of the Order, aside from one heretical splinter group, don't want any harm to come to our increasingly-less-heroic "heroes" until the time is right. It's quite likely that Matt was tasked with keeping the boys safe up to that time. He probably even told himself that that was the best way to help them, especially if he didn't think escape from the Order was a serious option. Sure, the Order made that video saying they intended to keep Chris and Alex prisoner and torture them for revenge, but perhaps Matt persuaded the leadership to try the "killing them with kindness" approach (on the basis that keeping Chris and Alex safe is actually more important to the Order's goals than getting revenge).

It might even have worked, had the Order not killed the boys' parents and shunted them into kill-or-be-killed mode.

With respect to what this means for the gang: as often as Order members have shot at them previously, I can't really blame them for bringing guns, but the execution-style killing here was really raw and nasty and I'm not sure they're going to be able to come back from this. The silver lining is that they do seem to be emotionally affected by what they have done - quite strongly, in fact - though it's not clear how much of that comes down to their shock and outrage at Matt lying to them all this time. Either way, I think the series is going to end up in a pretty dark place by the end.


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Looks like Chris and Alex have joined the killer club with Noah, and HABIT.

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Oransel
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Amazing log!

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The only mistake they've done is going to forest in the first place (aside from usual DH uploads of criminal activity on youtube, but they may not give a fuck at this point). It was stupid and left them with no choice afterwards.

When everything went to hell, they did the right thing and I don't blame them. It's nasty and painful to admit and watch at, but Chris & Alex had no other choice. Order is nothing more than a club of fanatical murderous animals (like their "master") with lot's of resources and no conscience. They have killed innocent people and ruined lives of Chris, Alex, Heather, Greg etc. Someone has to stop them and the only option boys had at that moment was physical elimination of a threat to humanity - otherwise Order would have undoubtedly killed or tortured (and killed) them. It's a war.

Also it has been a very very long time since I've got so invested in the episode and characters of Slenderseries.


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awakeasaurusrex
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Worth noting, for those wondering why the guys would upload this stuff to YouTube:

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Early on in the series Chris and Alex repeatedly went to the police. Dark Harvest has improved a ton over its run from the shaky earlier entries, believe you me (remember when their Slenderman was so obvious fake they slipped in an Order member cosplaying as Slendy in a later entry to make it clear that that wasn't supposed to be the real deal?).

But one thing they have always, I thought, been very good at is slipping in little asides about how the boys have been interacting with the authorities. Early on, they went to the police regularly, more or less every time it would make logical sense for them to do so. They got no co-operation. A bit later they stopped bothering to report stuff to the police unless it was truly extreme because they knew it wouldn't get any attention. And later still, they discovered that the Order had infiltrated the police to the extent that they could make sure that these matters were never investigated.

This being the case, the gang uploading this material to YouTube makes much more sense. They aren't worried about getting police attention because of the videos because the Order have been doing their best to make sure the police never get seriously involved. If anything, the more that the gang post to YouTube showing criminal acts by themselves and by the Order, the better from their point of view, because it increases the chance that a public outcry or investigations by police not affiliated with the Order will end up impacting the Order's activities.

(There is a risk, of course, of Order-affiliated members of the police picking them up - but actually, that risk remains the same whether or not they post this stuff, because the Order want to grab the boys because of their special ritual significance, not because of any concerns of law and justice.)

I can completely and 100% believe that at this point, the boys would welcome being jailed for life - or even being executed, depending on what state they are in - provided that this prompts the authorities to crack down on the Order. And their decision to resort to physical violence makes much more sense when you remember that the police aren't going to help them. Effectively, the gang and the Order are outlaws in the fullest sense of the word, in that the law is not going to protect them, support them, oppose them, or have anything to do with them, and when you're in an outlaw situation violence begets more violence very quickly.

I also think that, until we get some sort of clarification from the gang, that it'd be best not to judge their decision to go to the forest too harshly. There's every chance that they were swinging by in order to spy on the meeting and glean information, and only got gun-happy when they realised they'd been made.

You can definitely quibble about whether or not it was right to execute the Order members once they had them at their mercy, mind. Then again, these are people who were comfortably chatting to each other about killing random innocents on the basis of their religious beliefs, so there's not much of a moral high ground here. Again, since the police are not going to help it's not like they had the option of rounding the cultists up and taking them to the police station.


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knifebladepresents
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I think that, if they knew that they wouldn't get away with it, there's truly no point in uploading it. I guess their excuse "These Order guys are really evil, and they're going to kill a lot of people". After all, isn't that was the girl was saying (anyone else notice that most of the Order's acting feels kinda stilted?) Technically, Chris and Alex are vigilantes.

Personally, I think an ending where Chris and Alex are arrested would suck. I really hope that doesn't happen--even if they DID do all these bad things, I still want to see the Order destroyed.

In real life, cults actually work like this. They trap the members in, with nasty threats and blackmailing.


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Wow, that was particularly dark.

This is probably my favourite series bar MH now.

That is all I have to add.
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knifebladepresents wrote:
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I think that, if they knew that they wouldn't get away with it, there's truly no point in uploading it. I guess their excuse "These Order guys are really evil, and they're going to kill a lot of people". After all, isn't that was the girl was saying (anyone else notice that most of the Order's acting feels kinda stilted?) Technically, Chris and Alex are vigilantes.


What you have to remember is that The Order can't risk police investigation into their affairs. Chris and Alex can upload these videos without fear of being arrested because of The Order's involvement in the police. If actual police officers not affiliated with The Order were to see them, then, yes, Chris and Alex would be arrested, but The Order would also be risking a full-on investigation into their own activities.

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What you have to remember is that The Order can't risk police investigation into their affairs. Chris and Alex can upload these videos without fear of being arrested because of The Order's involvement in the police. If actual police officers not affiliated with The Order were to see them, then, yes, Chris and Alex would be arrested, but The Order would also be risking a full-on investigation into their own activities.


Ah...makes more sense now...

Anyway, a bit off topic, but wasn't there a prophecy that Chris and Alex would defeat the Order or something?

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knifebladepresents wrote:
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Personally, I think an ending where Chris and Alex are arrested would suck.


All I can think of is the ending to Monty Python And The Holy Grail.

More on topic, this video has become a new favourite of mine. I managed to feel bad for everyone involved.

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All I can think of is the ending to Monty Python And The Holy Grail.


YES YES THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

Chris, Alex, and Heather would finally meet up with the remaining Order members in the woods, with guns. And then Slendy would appear between them, and Chris and Alex would go into a fencing duel with the Overseerer and then Heather would have an epic gun showdown with Slendy, but then KindVonDerRitter suddenly appears, wearing Daniel Shipman's beard, and is about to kick Slendy's but when Noah suddenly appears as a policeman, arrests them all and turns off the camera. Then credits roll.

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@ awakeasaurusrex

Sorry, but uploading videos where you mow down several people, who have already surrendered, to the public videosharing site may tell 2 things about you: either you don't care anymore and you want to send a message or you are particularly dumb.

Order may prevent Chris and Alex from talking to the police, but they have no control over Internet. All characters of the Dark Harvest series can upload videos, use Twitter, send emails and Order has not prevented any of this and they had very good reasons to stop Chris & Alex from revealing sensitive information to the world. So, instead of sending all of the info to FBI over secured channel or hundreds of other options - they upload that video on youtube. Brilliant.


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knifebladepresents
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Well, imagine if Chris and Alex were "smart". We'd never hear the rest of the story.

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