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Titles at the end of a film go back at least as far as Apocalypse Now.

As for the meditation balls, did people not notice that when he changed the direction of rotation, the gravity in the disc arena final stage reverses?

As for the arcade and power situation, note that Alan still holds the keys to the arcade. I'm sure Kevin left that to Sam, and Alan clearly was being steward to as much of Sam's inheritance as Sam was not embracing. I'm sure the money was there to keep the power meter on, and Alan is the kind of guy that would keep the arcade ready to fire back up the moment Sam decided to take it on. In the basement office, there's a lot of equipment - and most of us wouldn't recognize an enterprise grade UPS from a server box from a 'dishwasher' hard drive. (Although by 1985 they were much smaller.)
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Euchre wrote:
As for the meditation balls, did people not notice that when he changed the direction of rotation, the gravity in the disc arena final stage reverses?

Yes. I considered the balls his way of communicating and/or controlling the game, and even Rinzler more directly for a bit. To me they represented the 'closeness' that CLU has with Rinzler, that tight-knit control he's placed over him. The switch was kind of his way of thinking "wait, let's try something different", and suddenly everything in the arena changed. It's also a throwback I think to Flynn's "zen"-thing.



Now, thoughts after my third viewing, and my first real IMAX 3D viewing (of Tron).


Seriously, after seeing the movie twice already in 3D, finally seeing it in IMAX 3D made the biggest. difference. ever. It was pretty much a whole new experience, a brand new movie.

All my complaints (well, most) about the 3D were essentially reduced to nothing. The 3D was much more prominent and less 'jarring' between the extreme 3D and relatively flat scenes. It was much easier on closeups to see barely see the subtle differences in depth (mainly, for example, between the chin and neck). It was much more apparent that all the live action was filmed in 3D.

I did still notice a couple of moments where the 3D didn't seem right - and perhaps this had to do with the mixing of 3D rendering and live action with the depths not quite in line, I dunno. I watched for that light-cycle vs wall-mount problem in Flynn's pad, and while most clips didn't seem to have it, there were still a couple of key visual clips where the light cycle still seemed recessed, farther back than the window/bookshelf/mount right next to it. That really stood out to me (pun not intended Razz)

However, I think the wide and enormous screen really helped to 'smooth out' the differences in 3D exaggeration and make those transition much more natural.

And by God, the IMAX scenes where the whole screen opened up --- Shocked Silly

My opinion on screening choice: IMAX 3D > 2D > Digital 3D
If you have the choice or ability, SEE IT IN IMAX. Once it's finished that run, if you have a choice, see it in 2D. The movie will be just as epic.

If I get a chance, I may well see it again in IMAX 3D.

Fantastic.
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about the imax in 3d:
in one advanced screening i've been to, i was sitting on the far left side since all the middle seats were taken or reserved by a local radio station. it took awhile to adjust.

another time, when the movie was released, i managed to get a seat dead-center in the very back(so no one could kick the back of my chair). sitting around the middle area makes a big difference in the 3d viewing.

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My first (and so far only viewing) was in IMAX3D glory. My mind was blown via my eyes AND ears. I intend my next viewing to be on an Ultrascreen, alot larger but only in Real3D. I am hoping the immersion with the larger screen will counteract the lesser of the 3D quality. I am also hoping the audio quality will be the same since the soundtrack is absolutely stunning.

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Just to be clear again - RealD 3D is a method for presenting 3D films, using polarized images. IMAX is the projection theater equipment. IMAX 3D is a combination of the two. For 3D film types, there's typically RealD 3D (one projector), IMAX 3D (two projectors), and active shutter (ick).

IMAX 3D is still polarized lenses, just as in a standard theater showing a 3D film may use. The only difference being that IMAX uses two simultaneous polarized projectors and RealD uses one alternating polarized frames.

ie, you may have a local theater that shows any of these types of experiences:
* 2D (film or digital)
* 3D (RealD polarized or active shutter)
* IMAX (film or digital, maybe 'fake' IMAX for theaters with a larger screen)
* IMAX 3D (generally two projectors polarized)

...being a combination of these theatrical elements:
* Film optimized for a certain presentation
* Projection equipment (film, digital, RealD, IMAX, IMAX 3D, etc)
* Theater A/V environment ('standard' theaters, 'fake' IMAX (just a big screen), IMAX (audio/screen/projection equipment all specific to handle full IMAX format))


The best cinematic experience of course is true IMAX 3D (two polarized simultaneous projectors with the proper screen and audio environment), IF the film is itself created and optimized for IMAX presentation. An IMAX film can technically be shown in a non-IMAX equipped theater, but it certainly lacks the full IMAX experience.

IIRC, Tron: Legacy was specifically adjusted to be optimal for each theatrical setup when distributed to theaters.
So, those of us that saw the movie in IMAX 3D got the best experience.

The downgraded experience really is simply either
* moving from an IMAX theater to a standard theater, or
* moving from polarized 3D to active shutter 3D (whether IMAX or standard theater)

A couple o' quick reference links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealD_Cinema
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX#IMAX_3D

disclaimer: this is my current understanding of 3D technologies =)
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LMAO! Ultra Screen. Oh, Marcus Theaters... you and your gimmicks. (Ultra Screen is basically digital LieMAX without Marcus having to shell out the dough to use the IMAX tag.)

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The big differences in 3D depend on how the images are separated and presented to each eye.

Most common today is polarization. This can be radial as in RealD, where the angle of your head doesn't matter. There is also linear polarization, becoming much less common. Both can be used in IMAX. The other difference in polarized 3D is if the two images are presented in alternating frames or simultaneously. The former is less effective than the latter, as thebruce noted.

Less common is active shutter. This method is the one that often gives people headaches, as it completely blacks out one eye as the other gets an image. It is also necessarily effectively alternating frames.

There are still some instances where anaglyph is used - the old fashioned colored lenses. This is virtually nonexistent in major films now. There is a similar technology involving using specific wavelengths of color, namely the Dobly 3D technology. You are very unlikely to encounter this at this point, largely due to its expense.

Lots more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-D_film
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And more detail - a visual guide to linear and circular polarization, how a full selection of light rays can be filtered with different kinds of lenses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarized_3D_glasses
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Remember, too... If you're looking for a great IMAX experience you'll want to make sure the theater is using 70 milimeter film. Not all do.
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I'm not sure if it was posted here yet, but anyone watch Spoony's review?
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/19/vlog-12-1910-tron-legacy/

Totally NSFW if you're going to use speakers.

One commentary on his review is that he forgot various parts but then used the lack of his memory to make it sound like the writers did a really bad job.

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Is he on acid or what?
He doesn't know why Alan Bradley would send Sam to the arcade to check out what the page was about, when Alan Bradley leads into telling him about the page by saying that he promised if he got any info about Kevin he'd tell Sam first. These were THE FIRST WORDS SPOKEN IN THE TRAILER!

This guy isn't too swift.

I see how his mind reinvents things based on his own perceptions, because when he describes some of the scenes I certainly wonder if he was seeing the same movie. Maybe it wasn't IMAX 3D because he saw some Asylum ripoff. He seems to be enough of a sucker to see those things, since he cited one of them in his review.
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I think it's his heart meds or something.

If the Asylum does make a ripoff, will they hire Bruce Boxleitner since he's been in their movies before?

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MrV wrote:
I'm not sure if it was posted here yet, but anyone watch Spoony's review?
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/19/vlog-12-1910-tron-legacy/

Totally NSFW if you're going to use speakers.

One commentary on his review is that he forgot various parts but then used the lack of his memory to make it sound like the writers did a really bad job.


I just saw the movie again today, and most of his complaints are completely contrived and nonsensical. Why don't you see the movie again and pay attention this time, idiot (comment directed towards reviewer, not the person I'm quoting).

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Sorry if this reply is too wordy

This is a Disney movie. Some aspect of the script and story are slanted to reflect some of the views that fit the Disney mold. Good vs. Evil, morals, overcoming obstacles and so on.

I think that is an awesome idea as it will be a classic and part of the Disney catalog for all time. The original Tron was way ahead of its time. This movie is still ahead of its time because of the visuals, concepts, music score and the ARG (yes the ARG added a level of understanding to the development of Sam, Encom and Kevin). Movies and even TV has moved into the realm of adding content in the form of ARG or Web based "games" in order to expand on ideas and add that deeper understanding of characters and even the overall story.
Sure, spoony can say it's a weak story. That not everything added up and stuff was just crammed in for no reason. . . I on the other hand thought the story was amazing. Yes, some stuff was out there but that is what sequels are for. Now, seeing the movie without the back-story could have you scratching your head on a couple of things.

I did go with someone who never saw the original Tron nor had any knowledge of the ARG (with the exception of the swag I was wearing to the showing).
The problem is some try to compare it to the Matrix in certain aspects and that is unfair since they are two different movies all together. That is what this person and to some degree spoony did. What I did was to show the original to this person and then fill them in on the back-story you could see it all start to click. Once we did the final puzzle and the beeper showed up you should have seen the "connect-the-dots" look I got. "That was YOU that made the beeper go off?!?!?!" - to which I had to say "not really, it was ALL the ARG'ers who did that".

Oh and just another piece of the puzzle… as far as the ISO's….
When Kevin jumped into the MCP, prior to it blowing up… could some of Flynn's DNA code been picked up by the system and the melding of this is where the ISO's came from. Not strictly from Kevin per se but as part of the evolutionary process?
Is this the next step that Flynn was looking for – the blending of man and machine. Of the digital realm and the human frontier? Now that both Sam and Kevin have crossed into and out of and Quorra has gone from the computer realm to the physical world…. I can't wait to see what the children of that union will make…… Laughing

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IllusionOfLife wrote:
MrV wrote:
I'm not sure if it was posted here yet, but anyone watch Spoony's review?
http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/12/19/vlog-12-1910-tron-legacy/

Totally NSFW if you're going to use speakers.

One commentary on his review is that he forgot various parts but then used the lack of his memory to make it sound like the writers did a really bad job.


I just saw the movie again today, and most of his complaints are completely contrived and nonsensical. Why don't you see the movie again and pay attention this time, idiot (comment directed towards reviewer, not the person I'm quoting).


I don't care, I'm still offended! Where are my throat punching gloves? Twisted Evil

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