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 		Re: Unanswered questions.
SoCalSteve_ wrote:
My take (some has been stated by Euchre and Bruce):
I don't know much of how the virus plays into the story, only that the virus seemed to be linked to the ISO's and that the virus was probably destroying CLU's perfect world. Between that and the fact that Flynn was intrigued by the ISOs and paid little attention to CLU and Tron City made CLU jealous and caused him to destroy it all.


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During Evolution, it's not really explained how he did it, but CLU created the Abraxas virus to help bring the end to the ISOs. He said something about the ISOs being viruses themselves and that it takes "a little encouragement" to bring out their viral side.



soCalSteve_ wrote:

Since Tron doesn't wear a helmet and we see CLU/Flynn likes hitting programs on the head, I assume he knocks Tron out and reprograms him.
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During "Adagio for TRON" or the flashback sequence, that whole coup scene is the same cutscene from Evolution, but we didn't see what CLU did to Tron. In the movie, CLU and Tron are fighting and CLU uses his disc to stab Tron. During the game, we see CLU pick up the broken shard from Abraxas' disc and I think he somehow integrated the virus into his own ID disc and that's how he is able to reprogram programs.

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 		Re: Unanswered questions.
Just to be clear, so you don't get misquoted or misunderstood
CalebH2010 wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
During "Adagio for TRON" or the flashback sequence, that whole coup scene is the same cutscene from Evolution, but we didn't see what CLU did to Tron. In the movie, CLU and Tron are fighting and CLU uses his disc to stab Tron. During the game, we see CLU pick up the broken shard from Abraxas' disc and I think he somehow integrated the virus into his own ID disc and that's how he is able to reprogram programs.

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No, in the movie we don't know that CLU actually uses his disc to stab Tron. There's no confirmation anything actually happened to Tron as the camera pans away. Perhaps in another fiction it's described better, but in the film, action is only implied, never confirmed. I think you meant that by your previous sentence, just wanted to be sure =)

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 		Re: Unanswered questions.
thebruce wrote:
Just to be clear, so you don't get misquoted or misunderstood
CalebH2010 wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
During "Adagio for TRON" or the flashback sequence, that whole coup scene is the same cutscene from Evolution, but we didn't see what CLU did to Tron. In the movie, CLU and Tron are fighting and CLU uses his disc to stab Tron. During the game, we see CLU pick up the broken shard from Abraxas' disc and I think he somehow integrated the virus into his own ID disc and that's how he is able to reprogram programs.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
No, in the movie we don't know that CLU actually uses his disc to stab Tron. There's no confirmation anything actually happened to Tron as the camera pans away. Perhaps in another fiction it's described better, but in the film, action is only implied, never confirmed. I think you meant that by your previous sentence, just wanted to be sure =)
Perhaps you're right. But last night, I could've sworn I saw Clu[/spoiler] stab Tron.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Did anyone else besides me an Tron guy, have to fight back the tears after seeing this?

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 		Missed the early screening on Monday because of finals, unfortunately but caught the IMAX showing tonight at midnight. Here's my review:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/user/704951/reviews/?id=770785471#reviews_main

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 		It'll bug me till I see the film again,.. So, can anyone confirm that the content of Clu's speech to the troops was eerily similar to Kevin's speech early in the film?
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 		My 2p:

The story is pretty woolly, and the script is poor. Visually it's very nice, but some of the action sequences have been edited by someone with ADHD. The soundtrack is great. There are two or three very nice 3D sequences but for the most part it's very subtle and you won't lose much watching in 2D.

As far as the acting, the guy playing Sam is just awful, possibly the worst thing in the film. Jeff Bridges seems to have crossed Kevin Flynn with the Dude for his performance - the result isn't great. Michael Sheen is pretty bad, but he's different enough from everyone else's characters that you kind of forgive him for the level he camps it up to (the best description I can give for him is the Merovingian gone wrong). By far the best performance comes from Olivia Wilde.

From what I've written you may think I didn't like it much, but it was OK on the whole. It's certainly not your typical by-the-numbers Hollywood blockbuster, and that's a good thing. I think it sits pretty comfortably next to the original, and I can imagine watching them back-to-back without much trouble. The 127 minute run time goes pretty quickly, and you never get bored, even though it's not as action packed as a lot may be expecting.

7/10

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 		Collider.com panned it, gave it a C-.

It's averaging 48% on RT (83% from the audience, though).

I'll probably see it tonight.
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 		I am happy.

This was not The Phantom Menance.

The critics giving it low marks are entitled to their opinion. However wrong and unimaginative they may be Laughing

For a movie that came from roots in my own childhood, and had a profound effect, I am beyond happy with the results. Even my kids loved it, and if a 7 year old can understand what is going on and what happened, those critic-types bitching about not being able to follow are just making fodder for conversation.

9.6/10
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 		In TRON GUY's words:

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"Many folks would expect the story to suffer. It doesn't, unless you're a movie critic."

His review on Wired.com:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/12/tron-guy-reviews-tron-legacy
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 		I thought the film was fantastic. A few thoughts:

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First off, the users were neutered. Seriously, no greater power than their creations. That was the one thing that upset me the most. Kevin showed glimpses of his strength, but even then he looked weak. He should have been able to say, "You know what Clu, you're harshing my zen." and snap his fingers and poof, no more Clu. I just don't understand how you went from borderline omnipotent Flynn in Tron to weaker than base programs users in T:L.

I didn't know about the Sea of Simulation (haven't read the comics) so I took the ocean Tron fell in to be the pure energy seen in the original Tron, hence allowing him to reboot and be free of Clu. I really wish there had been more of Tron and that we could have seen him throw down with Clu at the end. I know Kevin had to be the one to finish the program he created, but come on, Tron is the greatest warrior on the grid and they totally let Clu punk him.

Likewise, I don't understand why a user reabsorbing his program necessarily means they both be destroyed. I understood that Kevin had to die the hero's death, but from a purely logical stand point I wasn't given enough reason to believe it was a necessary death (especially since Tron should have mopped the floor with Clu). If all it took Kevin was a few finger strokes on the floor to create Clu, why was he so difficult to destroy? Seriously?

Also, a thought occurred to me as Sam backed up the server. What would have happened if he had done that before hitting the grid? Would there then be two Kevin Flynn's, both capable of entering the physical world? Lots of craziness possible when you put organics into a digital space and then begin hitting CMD + C.

Anyways, that's all minor quibbling and I loved the film, those are some of the things that just stuck out to me post-film. Like someone else said, best acting easily goes to Olivia Wilde. How a woman that beautiful could act that awkward is beyond me but she nailed that character. Easily my favorite of the film.


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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
It'll bug me till I see the film again,.. So, can anyone confirm that the content of Clu's speech to the troops was eerily similar to Kevin's speech early in the film?


You are correct. I noticed that on my second viewing. Clu's speech is basically Flynn's from the beginning, but "our future is out there" instead of "our future is in there." It was a nice parallel I didn't catch the first time.
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FSURobbie wrote:
I thought the film was fantastic. A few thoughts:

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First off, the users were neutered. Seriously, no greater power than their creations. That was the one thing that upset me the most. Kevin showed glimpses of his strength, but even then he looked weak. He should have been able to say, "You know what Clu, you're harshing my zen." and snap his fingers and poof, no more Clu. I just don't understand how you went from borderline omnipotent Flynn in Tron to weaker than base programs users in T:L.

I didn't know about the Sea of Simulation (haven't read the comics) so I took the ocean Tron fell in to be the pure energy seen in the original Tron, hence allowing him to reboot and be free of Clu. I really wish there had been more of Tron and that we could have seen him throw down with Clu at the end. I know Kevin had to be the one to finish the program he created, but come on, Tron is the greatest warrior on the grid and they totally let Clu punk him.

Likewise, I don't understand why a user reabsorbing his program necessarily means they both be destroyed. I understood that Kevin had to die the hero's death, but from a purely logical stand point I wasn't given enough reason to believe it was a necessary death (especially since Tron should have mopped the floor with Clu). If all it took Kevin was a few finger strokes on the floor to create Clu, why was he so difficult to destroy? Seriously?

Also, a thought occurred to me as Sam backed up the server. What would have happened if he had done that before hitting the grid? Would there then be two Kevin Flynn's, both capable of entering the physical world? Lots of craziness possible when you put organics into a digital space and then begin hitting CMD + C.

Anyways, that's all minor quibbling and I loved the film, those are some of the things that just stuck out to me post-film. Like someone else said, best acting easily goes to Olivia Wilde. How a woman that beautiful could act that awkward is beyond me but she nailed that character. Easily my favorite of the film.


It did sort of bug me, but I suppose that if he had the same 'god mode' in TL he'd never have gotten trapped.

Which reminds me, if the portal only stays open for 8 hours at a time, does that mean Flynn could never stay more than 8 hours? I thought Betrayal said he would spend weeks in there.

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cinderbike wrote:
Which reminds me, if the portal only stays open for 8 hours at a time, does that mean Flynn could never stay more than 8 hours? I thought Betrayal said he would spend weeks in there.


I think it was weeks in perceived time, not in real time.

BTW, that made me wonder....if your molecules are effectively digitized, does your body actually age when you return? So, how old biologially would Kevin Flynn be upon returning? I mean, it's not like there's some physical process running when you're suspended in the laser....
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FSURobbie wrote:
I thought the film was fantastic. A few thoughts:
....
Anyways, that's all minor quibbling and I loved the film, those are some of the things that just stuck out to me post-film.

Didn't you know? You're not supposed to think when you watch this movie.
Razz

Srsly, I think anyone trying to rationalize this movie will be the ones inclined to rate it low.

There's just so freaking much suspended disbelief in Tron, the franchise in general, that you just have to sit back and 'trust' the world it's created if you ever want to enjoy it.

It's Disney. Smile
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thebruce wrote:
FSURobbie wrote:
I thought the film was fantastic. A few thoughts:
....
Anyways, that's all minor quibbling and I loved the film, those are some of the things that just stuck out to me post-film.

Didn't you know? You're not supposed to think when you watch this movie.
Razz

Srsly, I think anyone trying to rationalize this movie will be the ones inclined to rate it low.

There's just so freaking much suspended disbelief in Tron, the franchise in general, that you just have to sit back and 'trust' the world it's created if you ever want to enjoy it.

It's Disney. Smile


I have to agree. Tron, like Doctor Who, is more fantasy than it is sci-fi. They intentionally avoid getting technical, there just isn't enough time to explore all those details. We get the idea enough that we should be able to enjoy the ride. I'd be fascinated to see a tv series on the Tron world, which would inevitably explore those concept, but I'm not sure that it would be for the better to do so.

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